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Pat Robertson

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 10:02 am
neologist wrote:
The main problem with rejecting Paul or any part of the canon is the doubt it casts on the veracity of the remaining texts.

If any part of the bible is in substantive error, then those who follow it are to be pitied.

Er, just stuck my neck out, didn't I?


I don't know about pitied, neo. I don't pity believers, but I do think the concept of devine protection of the bible is specious. I have absolutely no problem rejecting Paul yet getting value from the message of Jesus.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 10:06 am
Paul's letters would be a good thread topic.

The real psycopath on this thread is named Pat.

edited to add
Oh, and J_B, divine protection would be another good topic. Frank Apisa would just love it, don't you think?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 10:14 am
neologist wrote:
Paul's letters would be a good thread topic.

The real psycopath on this thread is named Pat.

edited to add
Oh, and J_B, divine protection would be another good topic. Frank Apisa would just love it, don't you think?


Oh, I never said Paul was a psychopath. No, that honour goes to Pat Robertson. I don't have any trust in that guy.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 10:18 am
I haven't reviewed the entire thread; but are there any PAT-riots out there?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 10:58 am
Neo,
None that will admit it(yet), although several seem to mirror all his opinions inadvertantly.
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 11:03 am
I am interested to know what opinions people are mirroring Dok.
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:18 pm
Neo,

Jamesdg made this statement:

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The bible clearly states that all that follow Jesus will be no part of this world. So this means political too pat robinson is not staying politically neutral is he. So you know that hmm he is not from God.


To which you posted a few scriptures for me. In quoting that scripture I was actually supporting what both of you were saying. However, my initial question was more because I was curious if jamesdg knew the scriptures he was talking about or if he was just making an obscure statement. I in no way meant to detour this thread from it's origional course by posting a scripture that was followed by an arguement about Paul. So please accept my apologies for that.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 06:56 pm
Someone who wishes to remain on topic?

Amazing!
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 09:39 pm
hephzibah wrote:
I am interested to know what opinions people are mirroring Dok.

The prefabricated opinion-set known as protestant christianity.
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 11:40 pm
Doktor S wrote:
hephzibah wrote:
I am interested to know what opinions people are mirroring Dok.

The prefabricated opinion-set known as protestant christianity.


And what would the prefabricated opinion-set of protestant christianity be to you?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 11:43 pm
90% of what you say, just to throw a figure out there...
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:09 am
hmmm... lol ya think? really?
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:28 am
I find your statement interesting dok. Are you following what I write or something? I'm trying to think here how much of my beliefs I've actually talked about, well concerning christianity in particular. I would find it hard to believe that it has been 90% really. Truthfully speaking I am strongly opposed to certain beliefs on both side of the coin. (speaking of religious beliefs vs non-religious beliefs)

However, I didn't come here with the with the intention of imposing those beliefs on anyone. Nor did I come here to build up my spiritual ego by making others feel smaller than me. What I believe is part of who I am, as it is with everyone. So a certain amount of that is going to be obvious I guess no matter what I do. I won't apologize for who I am or what I believe. Nor do I ask anyone else to.

Neo.... sorry... did it again!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:45 am
hephzibah wrote:
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However, I didn't come here with the with the intention of imposing those beliefs on anyone. Nor did I come here to build up my spiritual ego by making others feel smaller than me.


I think that is true of most of us. Unfortunately, not too many seem to believe it.
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:56 am
Questioner wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
pachbel,

Glad to see that wasn't a quote from you.

I find it so ironic that there are those that don't believe in Christianity (or even God in some cases) that still find it necessary to tell others how to be a Christian or what Christians should believe. They want us to adhere strictly to something they do not believe or have no faith in. Boggles my mind.


I don't think it's so much telling you how to believe, but more along the lines of "distance yourselves from the flamboyant radicals". You have to admit MA, some of the televangelists out there are little more than stage actors out to get a quick buck. It's those types that, if embraced by christianity as a whole (or seen to be embraced) that give christians their bad rap.


First I would like to ask what qualify's someone as a flamboyant radical?

I will be the first to admit (ok, maybe not the first...) it's more than some televangelists out there... I can't tell you how many churches I've been in where prior to the sermon there was a 10 minute "mini sermon" on tithing.

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

My argument with that is, if you really believe God called you to this "ministry" and paved the way for you to be there, well, wouldn't he then provide for what you are doing with out you having to beg for money? How can you say on one hand, "God is my provider" then turn around and try to guilt people into giving you more? Or the latest thing I've been seeing on tv is:

"HI! I'm the prophet Josiah! God wants to bless you and so do I! God speaks to me regularly about people all around the world and I would love to give you a prophecy! Just send me a check for $50 or more and God will speak to me when I touch your check!"

LOLOL GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK! Yeah God will speak to him alright... all the way to the bank!
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 01:28 am
Intrepid wrote:
hephzibah wrote:
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However, I didn't come here with the with the intention of imposing those beliefs on anyone. Nor did I come here to build up my spiritual ego by making others feel smaller than me.


I think that is true of most of us. Unfortunately, not too many seem to believe it.


yeah i know intrepid... it's all good though Very Happy
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jan, 2006 06:20 pm
PR apologized yesterday, by the way. here's an excerpt from a letter to Ariel Sharon's son, Omri. after many platitudes about his sadness and fondness for Sharon, etc, he writes:

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Regrettably, few, if any, of these heartfelt sentiments were carried by the news media in America or by the news media in Israel. However, I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel for remarks I made at the time concerning the writing of the holy prophet Joel and his view of the inviolate nature of the land of Israel.

I personally feel very passionate about the safety of your country and the divine claim of the Jewish people to Eretz Israel and what has been called Judea and Samaria. My zeal, my love of Israel, and my concern for the future safety of your nation led me to make remarks which I can can now view in retrospect as inappropriate and insensitive in light of a national grief experienced because of your father's illness. I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel for saying what was clearly insensitive at the time.


http://patrobertson.com/images/TheHonorableOmriSharon1.jpg

note that he's not admitting his opinion was wrong, only that it was ill-timed & insensitive. and his reference to the "future safety" of Israel may indicate a conviction that other misfortunes will befall Israel in the future if the dividing of the land continues.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jan, 2006 06:28 pm
Many nominal christians harbor the mistaken belief that the end time can not come unless natural Jews inhabit the ancestral Israel. This is one reason for Anglo American support of post WWII occupation of Palestine. There is really no great love for Jews involved; hence the insensitive comments.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 06:25 pm
Pat Robertson is a perfect example of how trinity causes brain damage to its deceived followers!

This article has the following sections:

1- The hypocrisy of the Republicans.
2- Pat Robertson's brain damage.
3- Church Ministers condemning Pat Robertson's stupidity.





1- The hypocrisy of the Republicans:

Aside from the fact that the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, is a loyal president to his people and his country, who was freely elected by his own people, and doesn't have torturing chambers for his oppositions, which makes it completely absurd for the polytheist trinitarian pagan, Pat Robertson, to compare him with tyrants like Saddam Hussein and Fedel Castro, but the moron further proved that he lacks a great deal of information about both the man and politics.

Hugo Chavez basically became the devil, in the eyes of the polytheist trinitarian pagan, all of the sudden, and anti christians ONLY BECAUSE he is now opposing to the US policies and interests! Has he not taken that route, the church of Pat Robertson would not have declared him as an apostate.

Before I get into the trinity dilemma of Pat Robertson and I why I think that his brain damage is all due to the trinity lie that he believes in, I'd like to respond to the "Right Wing, Conservative, Christian Republicans" and refute their clear hypocrisy right here in this article.

The following are the reasons why I believe they are, indeed, the devil himself:

1- Their men and women are the most pornographic bastards of the entire American society. If you ever lived in the south, in trash states like Louisiana, Texas, Alabama and Mississippi, etc... then you would know that they have this yearly "Motor Cycles festival" (I believe they call it), where they literally (men and women) walk on the streets TOTALLY NAKED!

2- "Girls Gone Wild", which I am sure many of you have heard of, where college girls expose their breasts to the public and to the camera by lifting their shirts and removing their bras. This trash "culture" is a product of Louisiana's (a very die-hard republican state) yearly "Mardi Grass" festival, where the guys also piss all over the streets in public.

3- The Texas Rodeo and the TORTURE AND EXTREME ABUSE of baby cow-calves, where the trash cow-boy jumps from his horse onto a calf and literally twists its neck until he turns it upside down.

4- The South's "Hog and Dog Fight", where they unleash pit bull dogs on the pigs to see which dog reaches a pig fastest and fastens his bite on it.

5- There are far more gambling casinos in the South than there are in the North! Apparently, the polytheist trinitarian pagans and their churches don't see gambling as an evil thing. Hilarious indeed!

6- The South fought bloody battles with the North resisting the freeing of slaves (African Americans) and joining the Federal government of the US.


These are the Republicans that come on FOX News and bark left and right about how "evil" the Democrats are. Now don't get me wrong here, I am not in favor of the democrats' values and way of life, although I do prefer to see Democratic President over a Republican one, but the Republicans are far worse and more hypocrites when it comes to social corruption and promotion of fornication, adultery and sodomy.

Their only disagreements with the Democrats values are on:

1- Homosexual rights.

2- Rights for abortion.


But it doesn't matter if they disagree with these two topics or not, because facts tell us that they are more evil than the homosexuals themselves!



It's ok for their christian daughters to get sodomized by their boyfriends, but it's not ok for their sons to get it.

What kind of a dumb christian-hypocrisy is that?!




I obviously own my web site. I can't tell you how much porn emails I used to get! That is why I removed my site's email address altogether and wrote a program that allows the visitor to manually post a message to me. I used to get those emails regardless of whether the president is a Republican or a Democrat. To me both parties will be flushed in the toilet anyway on the Day of Judgement for all of the evil and hypocrisy that they've been spreading. They are both equal in evil as Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"He will say: "Enter ye in the company of the peoples who passed away before you - men and jinns, - into the Fire." Every time a new people enters, it curses its sister-people (that went before), until they follow each other, all into the Fire. Saith the last about the first: "Our Lord! it is these that misled us: so give them a double penalty in the Fire." He will say: "Doubled for all": but this ye do not understand. (The Noble Quran, 7:38)"

"They will say: "Our Lord! whoever brought this upon us,- Add to him a double Penalty in the Fire!" And they will say: "What has happened to us that we see not men whom we used to number among the bad ones? "Did we treat them (as such) in ridicule, or have (our) eyes failed to perceive them?" Truly that is just and fitting,- the mutual recriminations of the People of the Fire! (The Noble Quran, 38:61-64)"


In the West, people are judged by their sexuality. Even in their teenagers' culture, which is a product of their grand-evil societies, they have this "big L on your forehead" saying, which represents the word "Loser" on your forehead, if you try to stay Chaste and not defile yourself with fornication.

If you're not a "party animal", whether among teenagers or even young adults, then you are REJECTED! You are not good enough. If you are too fat, you are lesser than everyone. "If you're black you're in the back, if you're brown, you're still around," "Pontiac: Poor nigger thought it was a Cadillac", etc...

Allah Almighty's Divine Claim above, "...whom we used to number among the bad ones? "Did we treat them (as such) in ridicule,...." clearly and perfectly fits the christian infidels of the West.

In Islam on the other hand, we Pray shoulder-to-shoulder and leave no gap that would allow satan to get in between, and color certainly doesn't matter! The yearly Pilgrimage to Mecca clearly proves this, where millions of Muslims come from all around the world to perform the Hajj Ritual. Allah Almighty Said:

"O mankind! [this includes all races and all nations] We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"


The most righteous is the most honoured in Allah Almighty's Sight!




By the way, "Allah" was GOD Almighty's Original Name in the Bible.



Jesus called Him "Elaw" in Aramaic.







2- Pat Robertson's brain damage:

Now here is the hilarious part. Let me quote CNN's web site on what they wrote regarding this moron.


From http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez.1534/index.html: (emphasis below are mine)

"(CNN) -- Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war." "



From http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html: (emphasis below are mine)

"Earlier Wednesday, on his "The 700 Club" program, Robertson said the media had taken his remarks out of context.

"I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP [Associated Press], but that happens all the time," Robertson said."



My response:

Despite the obvious intentions of his quote (that Hugo Chavez should get killed), and his lies when he said that the Media took him out of context, but he still insists on the word-games that the polytheist trinitarian pagans are notorious in playing when trying to prove that Jesus, who by the way ran to Egypt for his life from King Herod (don't know what kind of a Creator is that), is the Creator of the Universe.

This article is a perfect example of the brain damage that trinity had caused its deceived followers. Let me give you the following classical example from one of my rebuttals to the "Answering Islam" team that clearly proves my point.



Jesus declared that only GOD Almighty is Good!

The Bible's New Testament records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good?-except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

Jesus not only in this verse but also in many other verses, openly and clearly declared that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One, and that everything in this Universe, including Jesus, is a creation of His!

Yet, we see the polytheist trinitarian pagans twist their Bible and invent lies and deceptions to desperately prove their nonsense. No where has Jesus ever been called "Yahweh" in the Bible, and the "El" (God) title that was given to him was also given to every believer in the Bible as well. Even satan was called "God" (the same title) in the NT. Absolutely hilarious.

The following portion of my rebuttal further elaborates on my points and proves the lies and twists that the trinitarians constantly resort to in order for them to prove their satanic theology.



From http://www.answering-christianity.com/q_only_god_good_rebuttal.htm:

It's funny how the polytheist trinitarian pagans constantly try to twist and deceive to prove satan's biggest lie in history, trinity. Jesus was not "sinlessness". Jesus also was defeated by a woman's wisdom and changed his racist views about non-Jews being the "Jews' dogs" (see point #7 in the article). While Mark 10:18 does not mean that Jesus is admitting to be evil (by saying he is not good), but it definitely sets the record straight about him not being GOD Almighty.

As I mentioned in my other article about the Holy Spirit in Islam is a Creation of GOD Almighty, Jesus is not only "not good", but he also has the "Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty" in him:



Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1- Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2- Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3- Spirit of Knowledge.

4- Spirit of the fear of the LORD.


Also, the verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him or part of Him, because GOD Almighty has no fear in Him. He Created fear, or the Spirit of Fear, and He installs it on whom ever He pleases. But He Himself doesn't have that Spirit in Him!

The verses above also say "He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;...", which further proves that Jesus is not part of GOD Almighty, because GOD Almighty Speaks and Hears whatever He Pleases!

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good?-except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"



If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.



Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 is the word "alone": ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good?-except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone". If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.



"Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!"

I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible. Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

Q. Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States! Show me the quote now!!

A. He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)


Jesus said he was not good. He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good. The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

Jesus is not GOD! The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself! He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc... Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod! The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

For more information, please visit: Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?



I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site. You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.


Also visit:

The early Christians rejected Trinity. Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified. See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.

The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments. Answering Isaiah 9:6. The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible. The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".


Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel. These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible. None of them is unique. Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.





3- Church Ministers condemning Pat Robertson's stupidity:

The following article, that is written by James A. Harnish, was sent to me by a Christian friend of mine whom I will keep anonymous, may Allah Almighty further lead him to Islam. Ameen.

This is the weekly newsletter a Tamp a church. All the Methodist ministers personally feel about the same way, but aren't so outspoken.

" I've been feeling a need to speak out about Pat Robertson. At various times across the years I've attempted to 1) accept him as a fellow Christian who simply sees things differently than I do, 2) ignore him as a religious huckster who cons faithful people into a self-serving distortion of the gospel, 3) acknowledge him as a religious front man for a political agenda, or, 4) avoid him altogether because it's not good for my soul to deal with his abuse of the Christian faith. It was one thing for him to claim that he had prayed a hurricane off the Virginia coast (I guess he didn't pray for New Orleans!), but his latest ranting goes so far over the top that even people who have supported him in the past are separating from him now. For a long time he was an annoyance. Now, he is dangerous.

I'll let other folks deal with him in terms of his politics or the damage that his irresponsible talk is doing to American foreign relations and Christian missionaries abroad, but it's time for evangelical, bible-believing Christians who stand in the center flow of Church tradition to say that whatever the religion is that he is selling, it's not consistent with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jim Wallis wrote, "The teachings of Jesus have never been very popular with Robertson. He gets his religion elsewhere, from the twisted ideologies of an American brand of right-wing fundamentalism that has always been more nationalist than Christian." (http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=sojomail.current_issue#3).

Let's face it: Jesus' words in the Sermon on the Mount have never been easy, particularly that business about loving our enemies. (Although in this case, it's not clear that the President of Venezuela who Robertson recommended we "take out" is an enemy.) No one confronted the radical challenge of Jesus' words more directly than Dietrich Bonhoeffer, whose witness Mr. Robertson unbelievably attempted to manipulate for his own defense in his apology. The truth is that Mr. Robertson's version of Christianity is, in many ways, consistent with the kind of religion that Bonhoeffer so strongly opposed and that ultimately led to his martyrdom. (Read Bonhoeffer's THE COST OF DISCIPLESHIP or THE COST OF MORAL LEADERSHIP by Kelly and Nelson, both of which are available in our bookstore).

All of us are tempted to compromise the difficult demands of Jesus or find some subtle way to claim to be his followers without having to obey his words. But as followers of Christ, the least we can do is acknowledge that he said what he said instead of denying the radical message of God's way of reconciliation as if it were not there or doesn't apply to us. All of us stand under the challenge of Jesus' words, "Why do you call me Lord, Lord, but do not do the things I say?" That includes Mr. Robertson.

The good news about the Bill of Rights is that Pat Robertson has the freedom to say just about anything he wants to say, even when it is dangerous to the nation he supposedly supports and distorts the gospel he supposedly preaches. The tragedy is that there may be spiritually-searching people who think that he represents the Christian faith and who, with good reason, turn away from becoming followers of Christ because of it. It is for the sake of those people and for the integrity of the gospel that I felt the need to speak. "

James A Harnish
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 10:49 pm
neologist wrote:
Many nominal christians harbor the mistaken belief that the end time can not come unless natural Jews inhabit the ancestral Israel. This is one reason for Anglo American support of post WWII occupation of Palestine. There is really no great love for Jews involved; hence the insensitive comments.


Just 2 questions:

1)Given that Jews in Israel do not believe that Jesus is the son of God,
why do the Born Agains want to defend and protect Israel? Wouldn't the Jews be considered the anti-Christ, as they are anti Christ?

2)At least Moslems recognize Jesus. The Jews do not even do that.

Would like some well thought out answers, please, not hysterical comments from the S&R threads.
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