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Free will?

 
 
htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 18 Aug, 2022 10:16 am
Piggy has no habit to talk with “abnormal” users who are not here for real learning.

Piggy always wonders if those guys are unhappy with the achievement of new scientific research in a2k galaxy, they come here for what obscure purpose? Whose mission is it?
The what coffin box from what CN appeared in PHF in 2020, obviously it’s for obscure purpose...
https://physicshelpforum.com/threads/the-game-of-match-sticks.16181/post-50071
https://physicshelpforum.com/threads/the-game-of-match-sticks.16181/post-50090
Although piggy was defeated by the what coffin box from what CN in PHF, but it doesn’t mean that what coffin box won out in international scientific community. Piggy really can’t find out in which year that guy won an “Oscar” Prize for physics or for astronomy.呵呵 But if you input Einstein’s name in the search engine, everywhere it would be: Albert Einstein won Nobel Prize for physics in 1921.

Those conspirators please don’t “sure enough” a bit tricky game and stupid behavior can fool people and hold back the development of history. Too youth. That just makes themselves becoming poor stumbling stones in history.

Those intelligent “organic oxygen/glucose fuelled electrochemical computer that works at the molecular level” would climb up onto the tree and pick the fruits as soon as possible when they are mature. 呵呵
The fun thing might be those conspirators themselves would climb up onto the tree and pick the fruits too, secretly, while recommend grass under the tree to others.
Piggy always agrees cabals ever win in this society.

Again, piggy wasted some time to play game with cabals. Stupid pig it is. Haha
Game is over.
Going, going, Gone.
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20160217/mp59182772_1455678870654_1_th.jpeg
Have a lovely day.
RangerTim
 
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Reply Fri 19 Aug, 2022 09:53 am
@Albuquerque,
What tautology?
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davidsheep88
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2022 12:23 pm
@htam9876,
We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it's easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties. No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it's foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe. We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong. The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950's and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren't the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth. The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d's law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it's policy. There is A way government can follow G-d's politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d's point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d. When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error. I will explain more but have did A lot.
davidsheep88
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2022 12:27 pm
@davidsheep88,
We start from the beggining when Adam was giving the power to name the animals G-d gave him freewill to choose Genesis 2:20.
20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.


Here G-d gives Adam gives him ability to think for himself and he decide the animals name.


There is difference from the freewill Hebrew people back in the days of Noah and Moses when the law was directed to G-d’s people they had freewill to decide. Their decision is under the law because they did not know other religions or ways they were narrowminded but still the decision from good and evil existed. Did the errors of their fathers before them I mean the fall of Adam stopped them making decisions in their life. Israel did what they want based still of need of surviving. Killing, eating, proceating needs of humanity but no matter what the error of Adam did not take freewill from them.


Romans 7:19 “For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.”


Ezekiel 18:20 “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”


Psalm 110:2 “Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew.”


From the day pagans evolved into modern world and establish their own way. Even thou they seperated from their pagan worhsip Rome forced them to mix their deities and influence with christianism and robbed the followers of Christ of Jesus and they painted him white. Named the G-d of Israel to Zeus and change their panteon.


Hebrew law or mosaic law reminds people to obey but G-d has taken prophets to save and do the will of G-d in wars, missions, and choosing good and evil. They break the law in disobeying G-d, prophets like Jeremiah who chose G-d disobey tradition and his father and told Israel their errors and love for the temple forgotten the temple inside they are made of. Kick Jeremiah out of their circle rejected from society he continued, we have Moses who was ordered by God to pray to the rock and water will come out but Moses disobey and changes things and hit the rock. This angered God and told him he will not enter the promise land. Moses change what God said changed the destiny israel had to had an error while using the word of God,
Numbers 20:6-12
we have Huldah who made mistake in prophecy which A king said he was going to die A peaceful death 2 Chronicles 34:28 and then he died by arrows and had horrible mistake 2 Chronicles 35:22-24.

Here linkhttps://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/do-prophets-of-god-make-mistakes-sometimes/

also Elijah who said Acab will die in one place and Acab did not die according to what Elijah said.
1 Kings 22:1-40

This what shows that destiny changed and the lord allowed it happen he can rewind and move it but he did not becuase he has A plan of God.

Still people can change their course in life if mistake happened like those times of moses. We can change our destiny by failure of men and women who with God prophecy was shown here with Moses and Huldah. Not saying you should make the same mistaek as they did for not God's fault even if moses and huldah with words change the future of Israel and changed the destiny God adjusted to show he forgives moses and Huldah and those did happen. Destiny of your life being a poor shoesales man, poor garbageman, and what you see in your future can always change but ask God for it and do not make the mistakes Moses and Huldah did.

Is how the Greek way of thinking of liberalism was popular in the time of Jesus. Showing liberalism in such easy ways that they think it is natural in the first step of democracy and philosophy in those times of greek thinking influence paul and the hebrew people in those days.


James 2:12 “So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.”


2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”


And Greeks influence the time of jesus that people like Luke wrote his book in the bible and later Catholic church not knowing fully Hebrew culture copied things from greeks and influence the bible. Remember they were not G-d’s people but A country that stoled and wrote their intrepretation of G-d and took Jesus as an emblema that is not real.


Greek theology is freedom and rationalist thought, Hebrew people is Law and Relation with the one G-d. Greeks have influence the modernworld and gives them right, the western world copies Greek and Roman culture and their diffinity in their laws have given the modern topic freewill. So freewill clashes with freewill in the old times. That is why everything has to do with predestination, Calvanism go ahead and read see all our versions of choosing good and evil have consequences but still you decide your future.


There are 2 fields :indeterminism and determinism explain modern freewill and both give notion of control. Indeterminism means free acts are not determine in other words what you do with works does not foretold your future and the path you have chosen. Determinism says everything you do has already decided your future and you have no career. Nothing can change your destiny but G-d can.


Matthew 12:37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


God’s general sovereignty- says god is in charge of everything but doesn’t control everything
God’s specific sovereignty- says that He not only has ordained everything, but He also controls everything.


Proverbs 16:9 “The mind of the man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.


Proverbs 3:5-6“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.”
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htam9876
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2022 03:20 pm
@davidsheep88,
Amen.
http://www.sucaiabc.com/uploads/allimg/180414/1ZH41928-13.gif
“The mind of the man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.”
Interesting…

“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.”
Oh Lord, this pig never against G*.
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htam9876
 
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2022 01:26 pm
“The mind of the man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps”, touchy and feely:

Piggy created a new “inward Hydrogen atom” model of neutron in the cosmic thread, but it has nothing to do with what “inward / outward thinking” of man at all. The exact reason is just the mass – space equation provides room to explore it that way.
If it’s the case of singularity, there would be no “inward thinking” “allowed” because the space of singularity is zero. Lord stops his steps there. Then, if the man plans his way “inward” with his “manual” will, the outcome would be “delusional squat” “output” by his mind only. Piggy doesn’t think that Mr. “Oscar” would appreciate it. Nor will he be interested in that kind of “hyper – Lord (of creature)” who likes to imagine what’s before the BB. Never. 呵呵。

Piggy really is reluctant to waste time to argue objectivity vs subjectivity / materialism vs idealism any more, endlessly, with that kind of abnormal “organic oxygen/glucose fuelled electrochemical computer that works at the molecular level”. Non –sense.

That pig head neila9876 said he found many Lord of creature on the Earth, much more than good man. Piggy agrees with his humble opinion very much. A fun guy said he was against free will. Actually he was plotting to constrain free will of normal scientific research, while assists the free will of abuser to bury this galaxy. Tricky game…Another “best singer” seems a warrior for free will, but the fact is he assists abuser to bury this galaxy too. What ails that “lobotomised” idiot? They are wasting the resource of this galaxy while doing something unfavorable to it. Piggy always wonders if those guys are unhappy with the achievement of new scientific research in a2k galaxy, they come here for what obscure purpose?

The free will of those abusers are surely “fairy feeling of oneself” (自我感觉良好). But they ignore others’ feeling.
Green house effect will surely be the outcome.
Lord is not something can be fooled by human. Perhaps, Lord is AWARE he created something wrong at last…he doesn’t know how to sympathize with / have compassion for them (those “organic oxygen/glucose fuelled electrochemical computer that works at the molecular level”.)

Piggy’s reply to the question of the title was “both for and against”. “For” is for academic freedom, to break through the blockade of the “standard”, while “against” is against the free cooking of abusers. Normal users should think it this way, to maintain the normal and healthy operation of this community.
May G* directs the pig’s steps to eternity and make his paths straight.
Amen.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2022 01:10 am
@RangerTim,
I would suggest that a denial of free will stems from a denial that SELF even exists.

I would suggest a denial that self even exists stems from an inward only/out of the moment,dualistic, meditative practice.(Buddhist meditative practices being a typical example).Due to their dualistic nature,inward only meditative practices ultimately deny the very thing that decided to go inward in the first place..

I would suggest that inward/outward meditation is the way forward because it reveals sound philosophy and science rather than an unsound science and philosophy and provides an understanding of consciousness and the “I am”.

I suggest and maintain that the “I am” is separate from consciousness and this has been proved by “player” scientific experiments whereby the individual gets involved in the game and becomes apart of experiential experiments because it can because it exists and is embroiled within it all.I would suggest that Inward/Outward meditation reveals that the individual can control the consciousness states.

I would suggest that there is such a thing as “spectator” science and philosophy whereby the individual believes that they can in some way remain separate from the sciences which I would suggest is a ridiculous notion.I would suggest that “spectator” science knows nothing about consciousness and the role it plays in nature.

I would suggest that one needs to accept the possibility that SELF exists before one can begin to understand the nature of consciousness.


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