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Hiroshima Anniversary

 
 
Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 08:16 am
I read about it all day yesterday and kept an eye on things and I may be wrong, but I don't believe I saw one word or mention of it from the White House. I consider that, if it's true, to be politically unadept, arrogant, and inexcusable. Hmmm...just what I'd expect. If I'm wrong, pleae let me know.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 08:23 am
Mmmm, been lots in the news, but I dunno if I heard anything from the white house either.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 09:11 am
This White House projects a Disneyland reality, nostalgia but no bad news or memories.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 09:13 am
ooooh, good metaphor.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 02:04 pm
Why is it important for the WH to say anything?
Should they also make public coments on Bastille Day,or on the anniversary of the start of the battle of Britain,or on the anniversary of the "rape of Nanking"?
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 02:24 pm
Well, Mysteryman. Since WWII was the last war declared by Congress, I would have thought an observation by our president might have been in order.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 02:38 pm
Letty wrote:
Well, Mysteryman. Since WWII was the last war declared by Congress, I would have thought an observation by our president might have been in order.


So then,by your logic,he should have made a public comment about every day of the war,on that day,right?

Should he have started on Dec 7,making comments about the anniversary of that particular day in the war,and gone all the way to the end of the war?
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 03:18 pm
Logic has nothing to do with it, dear. Politics has everything to do with it, and history combines them both.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2005 04:11 pm
Oh, mystery man quit posing.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 11:21 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Oh, mystery man quit posing.


Should the President be required to make a public statement on the anniversary of any major event in world history?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 11:26 am
mysteryman wrote:

Should the President be required to make a public statement on the anniversary of any major event in world history?


Nah.

Maaaaaybe just the ones where the government of the United States was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

If it doesn't cause a big interruption in his brush-clearing or bike-riding or nap-taking.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 12:05 pm
PDiddie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

Should the President be required to make a public statement on the anniversary of any major event in world history?


Nah.

Maaaaaybe just the ones where the government of the United States was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

If it doesn't cause a big interruption in his brush-clearing or bike-riding or nap-taking.


I agree,but we didnt start that war.
Therefore,we are not guilty for doing what it took to win.
Tell me,would you have rather we had invaded?
Of course,if we had there would have been millions of casualties,both military ans civilian.
Would that have been better,in your mind?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 12:31 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I agree,but we didnt start that war.


Of course not. We were attacked. They started it.

mysteryman wrote:
Therefore,we are not guilty for doing what it took to win.


Your logic is pluperfect.

mysteryman wrote:
Tell me,would you have rather we had invaded?
Of course,if we had there would have been millions of casualties,both military ans civilian.


Prove that statement.

Wait a minute; which war are you talking about?

mysteryman wrote:
Would that have been better,in your mind?


I watched the Discovery docu-drama about Hiroshima last night, which was followed by a similar biograph of Hirohito and his war-mongering lackey, Tojo. Did you know, mys, that one of the rationales the Japanese had for attacking Pearl Harbor was to discourage to the point of prevention America's involvement in World War II ?

"Fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here", essentially. (Let's hear the translation into Japanese of that phrase.) THAT worked out pretty well for them, don't you think?

Apparently this is the kind of critical error in judgment that keeps repeating itself throughout history. Bush, of course, doesn't read books or newspapers, so how could we expect him to know anything about history?

(Well, the dumbass could watch the Discovery channel occasionally ...)
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 12:53 pm
Pdiddie,
You asked me to prove that statement,so lets start here...

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/invade.htm

Warning,this is a looooong read

Then there is this...
http://www.cia.gov/csi/monograph/4253605299/csi9810001.html#rtoc9

and this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties_for_Downfall

Scroll down to estimated casualties
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 03:37 pm
PDiddie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

Should the President be required to make a public statement on the anniversary of any major event in world history?


Nah.

Maaaaaybe just the ones where the government of the United States was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

If it doesn't cause a big interruption in his brush-clearing or bike-riding or nap-taking.


not ducking your question MM, just saw no need in redundance.

A statement like, "Regardless of the circumstances we pause to honor the thousands of Japanese civilians whose lives were cut short and we would hope that ANYONE with nuclear capability will think long and hard on the lessons of Hiroshima and Nagasaki before ever unleashing this sort of power again. We value our relationship with a strong and friendly Japan today and hope to remain allies always.

You know, something politically astute that would have meaning to a proud people.

George Bush. Politically astute. Same paragraph. What the f**k am I smoking? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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CowDoc
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 05:50 pm
Maybe we should also pause to honor the Japanese civilians who jumped off the cliffs on Okinawa because they believed the propaganda their government told them. There's one helluva lesson for people all over the world in that one!
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Pandoras Box
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2005 05:55 pm
I haven't heard much in the way of apologies on this side of the border;

When the atomic bomb fell on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, the Canadian government was eager to claim a share of the responsibility.

"It is a particular pleasure for me to announce that Canadian scientists and Canadian institutions have played an intimate part and have been associated in an effective way with this great scientific development," Munitions Minister C. D. Howe boasted in a public statement.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:33 am
Quote:
August 05, 2005
60 Years Later
Considering Hiroshima.

by Victor Davis Hanson
National Review Online

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:46 am
Perhaps we should offer to let them start building Casinos in America?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2005 08:50 am
McGentrix wrote:
Perhaps we should offer to let them start building Casinos in America?


unworthy of an answer.
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