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Putin's war

 
 
hightor
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 06:51 am
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All will be forgotten. All will be forgiven. We in the West are too weak and degenerate and easily corrupted to see this thing through. We don’t have the appetite for a long war. We don’t value public goods like peace. We are individualists and narcissists through and through, who can’t tolerate an ounce of sacrifice, and react like spoiled children to the very idea of going without any of the comforts we have gotten too used to. We will break.

That is Putin’s bet.
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Mame
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 06:52 am
Canada has told all Canadians to a) not go to Russia (duh), b) get out if they're there (duh again), and c) that they cannot count on help getting out.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 08:07 am
The Russian invasion of Ukraine has triggered the fasting-growing refugee crisis in Europe since the second world war.

More than 1.5 million people reportedly crossed into neighbouring countries since Russia invaded.
As many as 129,000 people alone have crossed the border to Poland yesterday.
Here, in Germany, more than 10,000 arrived yesterday - at noon today, the number is already above 11,000. (That are official figures: Ukrainians who are brought to Germany by e.g. family members, friends or other helpers are not included in the figures.)
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 10:14 am
There are calls for Johnson to be investigated after it emerged he directly intervened to get a peerage for a Russian oligarch.

The committee that vets potential peers said Evgeny Lebedev shouldn't be given a peerage due to security concerns but Johnson dismissed those as "anti-Russianism."

So now he is Lord Lebedev.
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Lash
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 11:51 am
I’m an unapologetic supporter of Angelina Jolie’s personal decisions. It’s mildly embarrassing, but I’ll get through it.

She uses her popularity to draw attention to refugees worldwide—and she’s doing it again in a way I have such deep respect for. Ukraine is very hot with the Facebook ‘frame of the week’ club. Before anyone forms a thought about that, I care very deeply as I’m sure others do about what’s happening in Ukraine—but have you been asking yourself at all why Ukraine has taken some special preference over Palestine and Yemen?

I have. I think others are wrestling with this, too.

Angelina has educated herself about refugees. She is one source of my education about refugees.

Today, she’s in Aden to bring awareness to what’s happening in Yemen.

Let’s try not to forget Yemenis and Palestinians. Please consider remembering them with your money.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/wireStory/envoy-angelina-jolie-yemen-ahead-fundraising-summit-83282564

Ok, back to our regular programming.🤓
glitterbag
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:01 pm
......siiiiiigh.........
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:05 pm
@Lash,
The attack on Ukraine is also an attack on our freedom and democracy in Europe.
That is why those who previously made fun of the Germans' asylum and refugee policy are also taking care of these refugees.
Lash
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I do understand that, Walter.

Isn’t the horrifying murders of Yemenis and Palestinians also a threat against humanity?

I know we’re all worried about Putin escalating.

Are we not also worried about what this genocide against Palestinians and Yemenis means for all humanity?
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Lash
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:14 pm
Do you think if we’d kicked up the noise for Palestine and Yemen that the world is kicking up for Ukraine, that Putin wouldn’t have taken the risk. He’d have known we’d coalesce against him?

Ask yourself if we’re responding so virulently against the shelling of Ukraine because they look like most of us.

Why do we sit by while Palestinians and Yemenis are systematically wiped off the earth?
hightor
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:29 pm
A column by Thomas Friedman in the NYC raises some interesting points:
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With every passing day, the war in Ukraine becomes a bigger tragedy for the Ukrainian people but also a bigger threat to the future of Europe and the world at large. There is only one country that might have the power to stop it now, and it’s not the United States. It’s China.

If China announced that, rather than staying neutral, it was joining the economic boycott of Russia — or even just strongly condemning its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and demanding that it withdraw — it might shake Vladimir Putin enough to stop this vicious war. At a minimum, it would give him pause, because he has no other significant ally aside from India in the world now.

Why would President Xi Jinping of China take such a stand, which would seemingly undermine his dream of seizing Taiwan the same way Putin is attempting to seize Ukraine? The short answer is that the past eight decades of relative peace among the great powers led to a rapidly globalizing world that has been the key to China’s rapid economic rise and the elevation out of poverty for some 800 million Chinese people since 1980. Peace has been very good for China. Its continued growth depends on China’s ability to export to and learn from that world of steadily integrating and modernizing free markets.

The whole Faustian bargain between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese citizenry — the C.C.P. gets to rule while the people get to be steadily better off economically — depends to a significant degree on the stability of the global economy and trading system.

To Chinese strategists caught up in old-think — that any war that weakens modern China’s two primary rivals, America and Russia, has to be a good thing — I would say the following: Every war brings with it innovations (new ways to fight, win and survive), and the war in Ukraine is no exception.

We have already seen three “weapons” deployed in ways we’ve never seen before or not seen in a long time, and China would be wise to study them all. Because if China doesn’t help stop Russia now, these weapons will either ultimately hammer Putin into submission — which means they might be used against China one day, should it seize Taiwan — or damage Russia so badly that the economic effects will radiate everywhere. These weapons might even prompt Putin to do the unthinkable with his nuclear arms, which could destabilize and even destroy the global foundations on which China’s future rests.

(...)


It might be worth seriously engaging with China – dropping the tariffs? – and making an effort to get them to cooperate with the rest of the world regarding this war. It would take some very skilled diplomacy but it could be in China's interest.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:35 pm
@hightor,
China has been very big on territorial integrity, there are lots of restive regions like Tibet and the Uighurs.

Russia has done to Ukraine the one thing China does not want happening, recognising breakaway republics.
glitterbag
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:38 pm
It's more difficult to deal with nations that have nuclear weapons. I wish it wasn't true, but it is. Russia also has designs on the entire world, that makes us anxious as well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:38 pm
@izzythepush,
Well, there's the Republic of China (ROC) [Taiwan] ...
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hightor
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 12:39 pm
@Lash,
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Ask yourself if we’re responding so virulently against the shelling of Ukraine because they look like most of us.

Well, sure it is. From the pictures it could be Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The destruction of the ancient city of Aleppo, also aided by Russia, took place and no one seemed to notice. Interesting how the Syrian, African, and other non-Euro refugees are facing discrimination as they try to leave Ukraine. <sigh>
Mame
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 01:01 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Interesting how the Syrian, African, and other non-Euro refugees are facing discrimination as they try to leave Ukraine. <sigh>


Sigh indeed. It's pathetic how we treat each other.
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 01:14 pm
@Lash,
If you had mentioned Palestine and Yemen before today you might have been taken seriously, as it is you've banging the drum for Israel pretty much non stop.
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Lash
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 01:32 pm
@hightor,
Sighed on that, too.
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Albuquerque
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 01:43 pm
I just want to make a general comment on this all thing, because most seem lost on the details and miss the big picture.

The idea that Russia could be tossed aside, contained, turned into a regional power without a say in XXI century because Russia is still economically weak is and has been a mistake made by the west.

The idea that Putin in particular is the big cause the great abomination is also naive. If it wasn't Putin it would be any other leader even one genuinely democratically elected...plenty of strong men in Russia willing to say no to an obscure future because the west is afraid of them.

The "war" against old Russia would be better made as it was being done discretely by Occidentalizing Russia youth which was already well underway and brought up an entire new generation with western values... so long the west was willing to give them the place they deserve in the world stage without alienating their ambitions because Europe is all to scared of a strong partner in the North. Russia would come to us slowly but steadily.
But Alas we were in an hysterical rush to democratize the big bear and we never played fair with the Russians since the collapse of the Soviet Union, mature Putin is a by-product of that stance. The inability of the West to accept the "big North" as a legitimate partner.

Ukraine today pays the price of dreaming all to soon with Europe instead of managing the time capsule gap between Russia and Europe and the slow paced timing it would take to bring the two cultures together...Ukraine today pays the price of inexperienced politicians in a seductive yet deadly game of smoke and mirrors which mislead an entire emerging culture into their obliteration perhaps permanently without an independent future because they forgot how to play Possum...

Its all to sad to see...the destruction of Ukraine, the permanent alienation of Russia into the East, and with it, the absolute guarantee of a steady decline of Europe and the West at large because our politicians and tacticians can't see far enough ahead!

You can downvote all you like I don't care any more with what the common sense finds palatable or acceptable...the situation is depressing enough as it is now! You all have a nice day wherever you are and be safe, as the world we live in has stopped making sense a good while ago!

Thank you for listening to an opinion which didn't intend to have any political affiliation with no one and is just a mere personal reflection on our long term viability!
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Lash
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 09:22 pm
My favorite humanitarian, raising awareness in Yemen.

https://people.com/politics/angelina-jolie-arrives-yemen-aid-refugees-likens-crisis-war-ukraine/

Excerpt:

Angelina Jolie Arrives in Yemen to Aid Refugees as She Likens Crisis to War in Ukraine

"Everyone deserves the same compassion," Angelina Jolie wrote of the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and Yemen, where she's assisting the United Nations Refugee Agency
By Glenn Garner
March 06, 2022 05:34 PM

Angelina Jolie is on the ground in Yemen to assist refugees amid the unfolding war in Ukraine.

The Academy Award winner, 46, updated her 12.4 million Instagram followers Sunday as she arrived in the capital city of Aden, where she's working with the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) to provide aid.

"I've landed in Aden, to meet displaced families and refugees for UNHCR @refugees and show my support for the people of Yemen," Jolie wrote in the caption. "I will do my best to communicate from the ground as the days unfold."

RELATED: Angelina Jolie, United Nations Ambassador, Says She's 'Praying for the People of Ukraine'

"As we continue to watch the horrors unfolding in Ukraine, and call for an immediate end to the conflict and humanitarian access, I'm here in Yemen to support people who also desperately need peace. The situation here is one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world, with one civilian killed or injured every hour in 2022. An economy devastated by war, and over 20 million Yemenis depending on humanitarian assistance to survive," she added.

Jolie, who has long been an advocate for the people of Yemen, likened the country's ongoing humanitarian crisis to the current devastation in Ukraine, urging compassion for those impacted by both conflicts.

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glitterbag
 
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Sun 6 Mar, 2022 09:53 pm
Maybe it's time Angelina gets over to Ukraine and puts in a word for Europe.
 

 
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