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Putin's war

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 07:22 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
then you can explain how he and I are wrong about this in the appropriate thread.
Please don't use this thread for such promotions.
Nor for discussing outlandish topics over several days and pages just wanting to derail my thread again and again.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 08:08 am
@Glennn,
That this thread hasn't a thing to do with your misconception of what a 'petro-dollar' is or isn't.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 08:19 am
Live Updates: At Least 50 Killed in Strike on Train Station, Ukraine Says, as Thousands Flee From East


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/08/world/ukraine-russia-war-news

A missile strike at a crowded train station in eastern Ukraine on Friday killed at least 50 people and wounded nearly 100, according to Ukrainian officials, who blamed Russia for hitting a major evacuation point for the many trying to flee before an expected stepped-up offensive.

Platforms at the station, in the city of Kramatorsk, had been jammed in recent days with people rushing to safer areas in Ukraine’s west, and officials said there were about 4,000 people at the railway station at the time of the strike. Photos provided by Ukrainian officials of the aftermath showed people splayed on the ground, surrounded by scattered luggage and debris. In a video from the scene, a woman screams, “There are so many corpses, there are children, there are just children!”

As the war enters its seventh week, the strike appeared to continue a Russian approach of targeting civilians and infrastructure that has devastated cities such as Kharkiv and Mariupol, intended to demoralize populations. Russia’s Defense Ministry called the reports that Russia was responsible for an attack in Kramatorsk a “provocation.”

Officials have warned that the window is closing for civilians to flee as Russian troops withdrawing from the north regroup for a major push in the east. Ukraine’s railway service said after Friday’s attack that evacuations from the east of the country would continue from nearby Sloviansk. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, who has called on the West to go even further to counter Russia, accused Moscow of “cynically destroying the civilian population.”

Russia is already facing new sanctions imposed by Western countries in response to mounting evidence of atrocities in Bucha and other suburbs of Kyiv. On Friday, the European Union formally approved a ban on coal imports, as well as sanctions against high-profile Russians and two daughters of President Vladimir V. Putin. It is the bloc’s fifth round of sanctions since the war began.

In other developments:

Mr. Zelensky of Ukraine warned in a speech late Thursday that the scale of devastation in the southeastern city of Mariupol, which has been bombarded for weeks, was likely to be even greater. “There, on almost every street, is what the world saw in Bucha and other towns in the Kyiv region after the withdrawal of Russian troops,” he said in his nightly address.

Mr. Zelensky warned that the Russian forces in Mariupol could try to stage scenes to make it look as though Ukrainian forces had killed civilians. The situation in the southern city has grown dire, local officials say, though they denied Russian-backed forces’ claims of having captured central Mariupol.

The Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, said in an interview with Sky News on Thursday that Russia had suffered “significant losses of troops,” which he called “a huge tragedy.” It was a stark official acknowledgment of the scale of Russian losses.

The president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and Slovakia’s prime minister said that they would visit Kyiv on Friday.

Microsoft said it had obtained a court order in the United States to disrupt the activities of a group connected to the intelligence arm of the Russian military. Microsoft said the cyberespionage group had been targeting Ukrainian institutions, including media organizations, and think tanks in the U.S. and Europe.

Jane Arraf
April 8, 2022, 10:07 a.m. ET5 minutes ago
5 minutes ago

Jane ArrafReporting from Lviv, Ukraine

The head of the Donetsk Military Administration, Pavlo Kyrylenko, says that 50 people are dead in train station attack, including 12 who died in the hospital. Another 98 were wounded, including 16 children, he says.
April 8, 2022, 9:41 a.m. ET31 minutes ago
31 minutes ago

Rick Gladstone

The United Nations Children’s Fund, which has been delivering tons of emergency supplies to Kramatorsk, expressed shock over the deadly attack on the train station. “We do not know yet how many children were killed and injured in the attack, but we fear the worst,” said Murat Sahin, UNICEF’s Ukraine representative.
Chris Stanford
April 8, 2022, 9:22 a.m. ET50 minutes ago
50 minutes ago

Chris StanfordReporting from London

Driven by disruptions caused by the war, world food prices rose sharply last month to their highest levels ever, the United Nations reported on Friday. Russia and Ukraine are key suppliers of the world’s wheat and other grains.



Eshe Nelson
April 8, 2022, 8:53 a.m. ET1 hour ago
1 hour ago

Eshe Nelson
Russia cuts interest rates to 17 percent as ruble recovers.

Russia’s central bank said on Friday that it would cut its interest rate to 17 percent, from 20 percent, beginning Monday amid signs that financial stability risks in the country were easing thanks to capital controls.

The unscheduled rate change came after the ruble had regained most of its losses since Russia invaded Ukraine. The central bank said inflation would continue to rise but that recent data had pointed to a slowdown in price increases, in part because of the ruble’s gain. The annual rate of inflation neared 17 percent at the start of April, but weekly the inflation rate slowed to just under 1 percent.

At 17 percent, Russia’s interest rate remains significantly higher than normal. The rate was more than doubled in late February — to 20 percent from 9.5 percent — after the ruble plunged following the invasion of Ukraine and the central bank took emergency measures to halt the outflow of money from the country. While the rate will be brought down slightly, the central bank said on Friday that “external conditions” for the Russian economy were still “challenging” and constraining activity.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 08:25 am
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 08:56 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Hey, Hey, Rise Up features David Gilmour and Nick Mason, as well as long-time collaborator and bass player Guy Pratt, with musician Nitin Sawhney on keyboards.
Fans will notice that Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters is absent from the line up.


‘This is a crazy, unjust attack’: Pink Floyd re-form to support Ukraine
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Exclusive: Disgusted by the Russian invasion, David Gilmour speaks about band’s first brand new song in 28 years, which samples a Ukrainian musician now on the front line – and expresses ‘disappointment’ in Roger Waters
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 09:49 am
Putin's American minions.

https://i.imgur.com/D2UgNQr.png
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 09:55 am
Russian concern distances itself from the Kremlin: Rusal demands clarification of Butscha's deeds.

Russian aluminum group Rusal has become the first major Russian company to call for an "objective and independent investigation of the crime" in the Ukrainian town of Butscha near Kiev. With its press release, the group departs from the Kremlin's language, which has called the killing of civilians in Butscha a "fake."

Chairman’s statement regarding the situation in Ukraine
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 10:54 am
Russian soldiers shot and killed hundreds of civilians in the town of Bucha, just north of Kyiv. DER SPIEGEL went there to talk with survivors about their shocking experiences under the occupiers.

"Do You Want to Die Quickly or Slowly?" - A Closer Look at the Russian Atrocities in Bucha
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 02:04 pm
@Glennn,
Just can't give up the trolling, can you?

You have your petro-dollar thread up, go post there.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 8 Apr, 2022 02:34 pm
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Builder
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 04:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Russian soldiers shot and killed hundreds of civilians in the town of Bucha


American soldiers shot and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Syrians, Afghanis, et al, and apparently that didn't trouble you at all, Walter?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 05:04 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
American soldiers shot and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Syrians, Afghanis, et al, and apparently that didn't trouble you at all, Walter?
You are obviously the other person, who can't read the topic of this thread.

Here it is in Braille: https://i.imgur.com/3Tq9o6bl.jpg
izzythepush
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 05:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
His comprehension ain't s bloody, he probably thinks the title is Putin's phwoah, which is how his lickspittles feel about him.

Any excuse to lick Putin's bumhole.
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engineer
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 06:07 am
@Builder,
I'm not sure the logic of claiming that Russian atrocities in Ukraine are acceptable because some people who are not Ukrainian committed atrocities against some people who are not Russian.
hightor
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 06:20 am
@engineer,
The chronically dyspeptic clown dispensed with logic a long time ago in favor of whataboutism, misinformation, and conspiracy.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 06:30 am
@Builder,
The Syrian government kill HUNDREDS of thousands of Syrians. Thousands of them peacefuly demonstrating. The Russians killed THOUSANDS of Syrians.

The US did kill HUNDREDS of Russians in Syria. Kicked the bear's ass and how. Fought the Wagner group and wiped them and their Syrian butcher pals of the planet. We took less than a hundred casualties.

https://taskandpurpose.com/bulletpoints/russian-mercenaries-syria-firefight/

Yours ethics (such as they are) seem to be based on tit for imagined tat.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 06:48 am
I don't know anyone who supported the illegal war in Iraq.

I was against it from the off.

However, there is a huge difference between collaterol damage and the deliberate targeting of civilians.

I remember the publicity around the use of a graphite bomb during the action in Kosovo.

Five power plants in Serbia were hit knocking out 70% of the country's electrics with no casualties.

A far cry from what is happening in Ukraine right now.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 07:57 am
According to official figures, more than 300 Ukrainian hospitals and other medical facilities have been damaged by the Russian war of aggression. "21 hospitals were completely destroyed," Health Minister Viktor Lyashko said on Ukrainian television on Saturday. These would now have to be completely rebuilt. Patients from the embattled areas in the east had been evacuated to central and western regions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 09:03 am
In Lithuania, Russians commuting to Kaliningrad come face-to-face with photographs of bombed Ukrainian cities and bloodied bodies.

‘Putin is killing civilians’: the train station where Russians are greeted with images of war
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As the night train from Moscow pulled into Vilnius central station for its scheduled 10-minute stop, a curious pair of eyes peeked through one of its windows – only to disappear behind a hastily closed curtain.

The passengers on the train were heading to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, which can be accessed via rail only by crossing through Lithuania, and on the platform outside they were faced with images of war and destruction.

Twenty-four large photographs, graphically depicting bombed-out Ukrainian cities, dead Ukrainian children and bloodied Ukrainian bodies with shrapnel wounds, have been installed here by Lithuania’s rail provider LTG, which also provides the locomotive that pulls the Russian carriages through EU territory.

They all carry the same message in Russian, which is repeated through the public address system as the train stops: “Today, Putin is killing civilians in Ukraine. Do you support this?”

“People in Russia don’t have much access to unbiased information,” said Mantas Dubauskas, an LTG spokesperson. “Maybe we can change the minds of just a couple of passengers.”

The installation at Vilnius central station is symbolic of a Baltic nation that doesn’t so much look cowed by the war in a fellow former Soviet state, as emboldened to tell the world it needs finally to stand up to Russia.
Yalow
 
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Sat 9 Apr, 2022 05:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Awesome.
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