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Putin's war

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 7 Apr, 2022 11:09 am
The government in Moscow continues to describe the massacre in Butcha as a "fake. Meanwhile, the Kremlin no longer denies the many dead in its own ranks - but remains unspecific.


Sky News (UK): Putin's spokesman admits 'we have had significant losses' and it's a 'tragedy'

The statements in this interview are in line with standard Kremlin propaganda.
In the past, Russia had repeatedly claimed that it had to purge Ukraine of "Nazis" who would carry out genocide against Russian-speaking Ukrainians. The Russian government failed to provide any evidence.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 11:13 am
Russia has been suspended from the UN human rights Council.

93 nations voted in favour of removing Russia, 58 abstained and 24 voted against.

Those who voted against are: Algeria, Belarus, Bolivia, Burundi, Central African Republic, Congo, Cuba, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Mali, Nicaragua, Russia, Syria, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and Zimbabwe.

It's worth noting that both Ethiopia and Mali have also recently been accused of war crimes, the ones in Mali involved Russian mercenaries.

Israel voted to remove Russia.


Albuquerque
 
  0  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 02:01 pm
@hightor,
No I am not disputing many countries in the satellite area of Russia wanted to get in and with good reason.

My concern as you have noticed is something else and it was focused on geo political balance instead of chaos...it seams in the late 90's America chose chaos....not surprised sadly!

Putin is old...all Ukraine had to do was play possum for a little longer and stayed neutral till Putin was gone. How hard is that to do?

A new generation of millennial Russians were in the process of being Westernized...it would have been good for Europe to wait for Russia and slowly accommodate them...

...now we will face China, Russia, India and all their satellites, and guess what, in the long run we loose! Bravo!
hightor
 
  3  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 02:28 pm
@Albuquerque,
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Putin is old...all Ukraine had to do was play possum for a little longer and stayed neutral till Putin was gone.

That's an astute observation. But as a tactic I think it would be difficult to achieve, as dynamic societies tend toward impatience.

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How hard is that to do?

I don't think the Maidan Revolution could have been avoided.

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...now we will face China, Russia, India and all their satellites, and guess what, in the long run we loose! Bravo!

I think Putin's war is a knife plunged into the heart of the global effort to reign in carbon emissions and stabilize the world economy.

engineer
 
  4  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 02:30 pm
@Albuquerque,
I think you have a lot of this backwards. Putin did not invade Georgia or Crimea because he is worried about NATO. He was already trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. Countries whose people were not down with that were very interested in joining the EU and NATO to prevent exactly what is happening in Ukraine. The Putin is getting more aggressive because he is getting older and can see the end of his time coming. If he wants to be another Lenin or Stalin, he needs to act quickly. Appeasement by the West was not going to slow that down.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 02:56 pm
@engineer,
He gets all his news from Russia, he's been spouting the Kremlin line from day 1.
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coluber2001
 
  4  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 03:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The government in Moscow continues to describe the massacre in Butcha as a "fake. Meanwhile, the Kremlin no longer denies the many dead in its own ranks - but remains unspecific.


Why do all these authoritarians sound like Trump?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 04:47 pm
@izzythepush,
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised as well as quite pleased.

I still think Israel was chosen to allow a back door negotiation for the Russians
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 04:55 pm
@Albuquerque,
I think I'm getting your bend on this: you're an old time socialist.You think there is third way political view of Putin/Russia. You seem to think we teased the Bear once too many times. This is not the case. You underestimate the bear's capability to commit crimes against humanity that has been proven over and over and over, particularly over four centuries regarding specifically Ukraine.

I apologize for reading more into your underestimations of the animus of the Russian nation.
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Builder
 
  -3  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 06:14 pm
This is a natural progression, considering the falling value of the petrodollar, and knee-jerk sanctions making trade impossible for some nations.

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China is buying Russian oil and coal with its local currency as Western sanctions on Moscow spur trade deals that don't rely on the US dollar.

In March, several Chinese firms used yuan to purchase Russian coal, which will begin arriving this month and mark the first commodity shipments purchased in China's currency since the war in Ukraine began, Bloomberg reported.

Meanwhile, the first shipments of Russian oil purchased in yuan will arrive at independent Chinese refiners in May, sources told Bloomberg.

Such deals are typically priced in dollars. But Western sanctions imposed on Russia after it invaded Ukraine have largely cut off Moscow from the global financial system. And while Russian energy wasn't targeted in the initial waves of sanctions, the US and Europe are more aggressively hitting that sector as evidence of war crimes in Ukraine continues to mount.


source
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 06:16 pm
Kremlin says Russia has suffered 'significant losses' in Ukraine

Source: Reuters

I bet this is putting a damper on recruiting. I wonder why Russia is still drafting???

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday that Russia had sustained "significant losses" in Ukraine, which its troops entered on Feb. 24 in what it calls a "special military operation".

Russia's defence ministry said on March 25, its most recent update, that 1,351 Russian soldiers had been killed since the start of the campaign, and 3,825 had been wounded.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said two days later that at least 10,000 Russian soldiers had probably been killed.

"We have significant losses of troops," Peskov told the British channel Sky News in an interview, "and it's a huge tragedy for us."

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-russia-has-suffered-significant-losses-ukraine-2022-04-07/

https://image.politicalcartoons.com/261798/600/ukraine-war-outcome.png
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Albuquerque
 
  1  
Thu 7 Apr, 2022 06:48 pm
@hightor,
Good observations and rational input, thank you!
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Glennn
 
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Thu 7 Apr, 2022 08:00 pm
@Builder,
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This is a natural progression, considering the falling value of the petrodollar, and knee-jerk sanctions making trade impossible for some nations.

Dedollarization has been in progress for some time now.
Builder
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 01:04 am
@Glennn,
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Dedollarization has been in progress for some time now.


The "fed" (actually private banksters, not government employees) has been buying their own bonds since 2007-8 organised heist, when Obama opened the US taxpayer coffers, to bail out the TBTF gamblers, still in major controlling positions in the game.

The fed just stated that they're not going to be buying any more of their own treasury bonds (they've been buying them back from wall street gamblers to prop up the "market"), and that's anyone's guess as to what happens next.

Saudis are looking to a crypto currency called XRP ( ripple net) and other major players are happy to go with Yuan or Rupee, or even the Rouble.

Interesting times.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 02:41 am
I see the residents of lobotomy house are still struggling with the concept of the petrodollar. Apparently they are incapable of understanding that the petrodollar only applies to members of OPEC.
engineer
 
  4  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 05:55 am
@izzythepush,
Or that it has something to do with Russia invading Ukraine and the associated horrors.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 06:24 am
@engineer,
Or it's just something to use to, you know, prove they know at least something.
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Glennn
 
  -2  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 06:58 am
@izzythepush,
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I see . . .

Actually, you've proven that you see nothing at all.

The U.S. went off the gold standard in the early 70s and tied the dollar to oil by striking a deal with the king of Saudi Arabia whereby the Saudis would sell their oil only in U.S. dollars in return for protecting their oil fields from potential enemies. By 1975, all of the members of OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) which included Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, agreed to sell their oil in U.S. dollars only. As a result, every oil-importing nation in the world was forced to accumulate U.S. dollars in order to buy their oil. This created a great demand for dollars, which meant that every oil-importing nation sought to sell their products to the U.S. to acquire the necessary dollars to purchase needed oil. This situation amounted to an oil tax applied to the world by the U.S.

You seem to think that this is a nonissue.

Contrary to what the mainstream media in the U.S. is telling uninformed people concerning the reasons for the invasions of Middle East countries, the real reason has to do with these countries’ decision to either sell their oil in other currencies, or to switch their foreign currency transactions from dollars to euros (Russia and Iran are talking about doing this). It is no coincidence that when Libya decided to dump the dollar, the U.S. responded with an invasion. Syria made a similar decision, and suddenly Assad was a butcher who had to go. Iraq announced their decision to drop the dollar and was invaded shortly thereafter under the pretext that they were concealing weapons of mass destruction. In 2007, Iran announced that they would nationalize their oil, accepting all currencies. As a result, the U.S. accused them of developing nuclear weapons and wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and then began applying sanctions. Iran never made such a threat, and sixteen intelligence agencies within the U.S. concluded that they had not been pursuing nuclear weapons capability. At about the same time, Venezuela decided to dump the dollar, and the U.S. declared Hugo Chevez a bad guy who had to go.

So, let me see if I understand you. Are your insults your way of saying that oil-importing nations did not have to pay with U.S. dollars? Cuz that would just be ignorance on your part.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 07:02 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Actually, you've proven that you see nothing at all.
I don't know, if you have seen the topic of my thread here:
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https://i.imgur.com/muUOgiQ.jpg
Glennn
 
  -2  
Fri 8 Apr, 2022 07:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Sure.

If you really think that Builder is a troubled individual because he understands the implications of the petrodollar scheme, and the consequences of oil exporters selling in other currencies, then you can explain how he and I are wrong about this in the appropriate thread.
 

 
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