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Putin's war

 
 
Albuquerque
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 12:32 pm
DW News:
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 12:44 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Both Builder and VAB girl have been pushing Russian propaganda.

They're the worst offenders but most Trumpies support Putin, this war is like hundreds of Sandy Hooks, and they love that.


Firstly, there aren't many "Trumpies" on A2K. The relentless hit parade of insults and poor manners have driven most away. A2K is really just a giant echo chamber in the Political area.

Secondly, I haven't seen or heard anyone being pro-Putin.
coluber2001
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 12:53 pm
@McGentrix,
"Secondly, I haven't seen or heard anyone being pro-Putin."

Except for Trump, although he's tempered his public adoration of Putin because of the current situation.
Albuquerque
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 01:06 pm
@coluber2001,
Trump doesn't count...he is an idiot who would love to be the western Putin, no news there!
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Albuquerque
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 01:11 pm
An information war which has maintained Zelenskyy alive so far:

At this point some western leaders must be really annoyed with him...hopefully he wont commit any PR mistake because as soon as he does one he is dead.

Yesterday with the nuclear plant I foresaw a potential very big mistake from Ukrainian resistance....hopefully allies are "educating" the amateur heroic crowd on what can and cannot be done.
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Albuquerque
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 01:22 pm
A late attempt at damage control from Russians might shine a light at the end of the tunnel...
(at least for now)
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 01:31 pm
@McGentrix,
Most far right posters were just rude and offensive.

They weren't chased away, they don't know how to behave in a decent manner.

You weren't shy of praising Putin when Trump was licking his arse.


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izzythepush
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 01:46 pm
Dock workers in Kent have refused to unload a tanker filled with Russian liquefied natural gas.

Transport Secretary Grant Schnapps said on Tuesday that Russian goods had been banned.

More Tory lies, as usual it's down to trade unions to do the right thing.
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Region Philbis
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 07:19 pm

https://iili.io/EIJRrg.jpg
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Albuquerque
 
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Fri 4 Mar, 2022 11:45 pm
No comments the video speaks itself:
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Builder
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 05:02 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Secondly, I haven't seen or heard anyone being pro-Putin.


I've been following Putin's activity, since he exposed Obama's support for the "rebel fighters" invading Syria, and then Libya.

He's a long chess player, and most people haven't a clue what's really happening in Ukraine.

The fact that no other nation is willing to even mount a resistance team to assist Ukraine, but all-too-eager to place "sanctions" and pull legal or financial strings, should be enough to convince the rest of the planet that something other than what we're being told, is actually happening.

This article is about as close to truth as I've found so far.
hightor
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 05:13 am
Quote:
This article is about as close to truth as I've found so far.

I just spent some time looking around this ridiculous website and some others run the same guy, the crackpot Ben Fulford:

Quote:
Ben Fulford: Pope Francis Murdered!! All McDonalds Across the Globe Ordered Closed after FBI Discovered they had been serving human meat.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 05:20 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
This article is about as close to truth as I've found so far.
Since that linked article is only close to truth - who, besides you, knows this truth?
hightor
 
  3  
Sat 5 Mar, 2022 06:46 am
Pro-Putin Disinformation on Ukraine Is Thriving in Online Anti-Vax Groups

All the usual themes: Secret government alliances, anti-Semitic tropes, and nefarious scientists.

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Since the beginning of the pandemic, we’ve seen how conspiracy theories can overlap and collide. I’ve documented how anti-vaccine groups embraced QAnon disinformation about liberal elites conspiring to unseat Trump, and how white nationalists find willing audiences for their racist ideology in anti-mask groups. Over the last week, a new disinformation hybrid has appeared, as online anti-vaccine groups have become a hotbed of pro-Russia conspiracy theories about the conflict in Ukraine—and some of the most prominent anti-vaccine activists are actively promoting geopolitical falsehoods.

Imran Ahmed, executive director of the online extremism tracking group Center for Countering Digital Hate, has been following the convergence of the conspiracy theories, and he’s noticed they share familiar themes: alleged secret government alliances, anti-Semitic accusations, and allusions to nefarious scientists. “There are particular individuals within the anti-vaccine world who are amenable to pro-Russian propaganda,” he says, “and that would include some of the people who’ve cohered around QAnon and Trump.”

One example of this is how an old Trump-era storyline—the theory that SARS-CoV-2 was deliberately engineered in a lab and released—seems to have been reconstituted in a new form: Anti-vaccine influencers claim that the United States owns a network of secret biolabs in Ukraine where dangerous infectious disease research takes place. For them, it’s just obvious that Biden is sending aid to Ukraine in order to protect those assets. This rumor has been proven to be manifestly false—but that hasn’t stopped it from circulating and gaining momentum.

Last week, Christiane Northrup, an influential holistic medicine practitioner who regularly spreads pandemic misinformation and promotes the QAnon conspiracy theory, shared with her 78,000 Telegram followers a map that supposedly showed the secret labs in Ukraine that she insists create viruses. She also shared a post from a Bulgarian news site claiming that the US government “conducted biological experiments with a potentially lethal outcome on 4,400 soldiers in Ukraine and 1,000 soldiers in Georgia.” This is not true. On Instagram, a popular meme traveling with the hashtag “#biolabs” shows a photo of Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump, with the caption “I might not be a smart man, but I do know if they lied to me about Covid for 2 years, they are probably lying to me about why Russia invaded Ukraine this week.”

Meanwhile, Candace Owens, a conservative political pundit-turned-anti-vaccine activist, used an extended metaphor involving the lab-leak Covid origin theory to describe the conflict in Ukraine. “We are now experiencing Foreign policy Covid: ‘Experts’ pretending that what is happening between Russia and Ukraine is a naturally occurring event, when in fact, it was manufactured in a lab by the people who stood to benefit trillions,” she tweeted to her 3 million followers last week.

Imran’s team has also noted that a strong current of anti-Semitism runs through many of the Ukraine conspiracy theories in anti-vaccine chats. Sherri Tenpenny, the anti-vaccine activist who has claimed that Covid shots make people magnetic, suggested in a Monday post to more than 150,000 followers that Jews were using the Ukraine conflict to distract the world from a meeting in Europe about pandemic preparedness. She shared a post from an account called End Times Newz that used echo parentheses, a widely recognized symbol that anti-Semitic hate groups use to identify Jewish people. “Whilst everyone is distracted by the events in (((Ukraine))), the (((WHO))) is ramming through an international treaty on ‘pandemic’ procedures,” the post said. “Same tribe every time 🔯” On the same day, in a separate Telegram post, Tenpenny claimed that the hacker group Anonymous, which has carried out recent cyberattacks against Russia, is “part of the Soros/Klaus/WEF puppet army.” This refers to billionaire philanthropist George Soros and Klaus Schwab, who is the founder of the World Economic Forum (WEF) that holds a yearly economic symposium in Davos, Switzerland.

Ben Dubow, a fellow of the Democratic Resilience Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, has documented the spread of Russian disinformation during Covid. He notes that anti-Semitic tropes involving Hungarian-born Soros are a hallmark of Russian disinformation campaigns, largely because Soros has promoted democracy in “what Russia considers its sphere of influence,” says Dubow. “He is very much an obsession of Russian leadership.” Anti-vaccine groups have their own diabolical Soros myth: Many believe that he worked with Bill Gates to hide microchip tracking devices in the Covid vaccines.

In a bizarre Telegram video on Tuesday, David Wolfe, a wellness influencer, also connected the invasion of Ukraine to George Soros and Klaus Schwab. He then went on to speculate wildly about American politicians’ children and pedophilia in Ukraine: “If you’re convicted of paedophilia in Russia, you’ll get chemically castrated, he’s gonna throw you out,” he told his more than 100,000 followers. “How can John Kerry’s kid, and Nancy Pelosi’s kid, and Biden’s kid all be involved in the Ukraine? I’ll tell you how, because that is the bed of corruption in Europe and in mid-Asia.”

One aspect of Putin’s rhetoric on the Ukraine invasion—that the Western hegemony is trying to force progressive values on Ukraine—will appeal to Americans steeped in far-right conspiracy theories about the Deep State and the villainous intentions of public health agencies. Putin’s message, Dubow notes, “really does throw pretty naturally off of a lot of messaging they had, to try to raise skepticism about vaccines, about the origins of Covid, about how generally you can’t trust any member of the Western establishment.”

Indeed, wild theories about Ukraine do seem to be gaining traction beyond just the influencers pushing them. I noticed them popping up in casual conversations among members of online anti-vaccine groups, as well. In a Telegram group with 52,000 followers called Covid Vaccine Injuries, a member posted about an upcoming video, saying, “I plan to expose, for the first time, using information I never shared before, how the conflict in Ukraine, the vaccines, and The Great Reset are all tied together.” (The Great Reset is another recurring theme in many of these posts—it’s a conspiracy theory that alleges that the government and elites are using the pandemic to brainwash citizens.) In an anti-mandate Facebook group with 3,000 members called Stop the Tyranny, one member posted last week, “Look at all the corruption installed in Ukraine. Putin is against the New World Order and child trafficking.” She shared a meme of Leonardo di Caprio that read, “The moment you realize Putin isn’t fighting Ukraine. He’s fighting the DeepState in Ukraine!”

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Anti-vaccine online spaces have proliferated in the last few weeks as activists have come together to plan a US version of the anti-mandate trucker convoys that happened in Canada. Observers have noticed a pro-Putin sentiment in many of those anti-mandate convoy planning chats on Telegram, as well. In one, a member wrote, “Go Putin! He is standing up against the New World Order with the Truckers of the world! Going against George Soros.” In a Facebook group called Freedom Convoy 2022 with 22,000 members, someone posted last week about “reports that Putin Strikes are targeting US-RUN BIO-LABS in the Ukraine.” He went on:

“One thing is for sure, there is much more to this story than any of the world governments or mainstream media is reporting. If we learned anything from the media’s depiction of the Canadian Convoy, one important thing was that the media will twist the facts to support a political narrative.”

Anti-vaccine and wellness influencer Naomi Wolf predicted ominously on Telegram that “the Truckers’ Convoy [and] Ukraine, will be weaponized in a cyberattack to give more emergency powers to Pres Biden and suspend midterms.”

When I ask Dubow if he thinks that agents of Russian disinformation campaigns are specifically targeting American online antivaccine groups, he says he wouldn’t be surprised—but it would hardly be necessary. “The information environment is already set for that sort of messaging to make its way there,” he says. “You think about the profile of these groups—they’re people who deeply distrust the US government, deeply distrust any mainstream narrative.”

Center for Countering Digital Hate’s Ahmed agrees. Sherri Tenpenny and Christiane Northrup are members of his group’s Disinformation Dozen, a list of the 12 most influential spreaders of vaccine disinformation, which also includes Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Dr. Joseph Mercola. Ahmed’s group has extensively documented the cross-pollination of conspiracy theories in online anti-vaccine spaces, noting how anti-vaxxers seamlessly integrated the QAnon idea of a coming “storm” of retribution into their conversations and insisted that Covid shots were part of a comprehensive and evil government agenda called The Great Reset. “After a sufficient amount of time of cross-fertilizing each other’s follower base,” he says, “they actually started to merge their central conspiracies.”

Nonetheless, Dubow expects that Ukraine conspiracy theories will remain mostly a fringe phenomenon. “We’ve seen for the first time in a while, both in terms of total posts and in terms of total engagements, Russia’s really losing control over the narrative,” he says. Yet Ahmed cautions that above all, anti-vaccine influencers are opportunists—and they will adapt whatever happens to command the headlines into their own narratives. Indeed, as Candace Owens Tweets furiously about Ukraine, she is gaining more followers—to whom she is also promoting her forthcoming documentary series about the supposed dangers of each of the recommended childhood vaccines. Anti-vaccine activists are “always looking to see how they can mold their narrative to fit any breaking news item and fit it into a conspiracy theory,” says Ahmed. “Because the key element of conspiracy theorists is that they don’t have to rely on facts.”

motherjones
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hightor
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 06:59 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
The relentless hit parade of insults and poor manners have driven most away.

It's so sad when snowflakes melt away in the heat of an argument – it must be discouraging to have one's misconceptions exposed and one's aopinions ridiculed on a daily basis. I guess running away with your tail between your legs is better than having to cry uncle.
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Builder
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 07:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
who, besides you, knows this truth?


Who, besides you, cares about the truth?
hightor
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 07:18 am
@Builder,
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 07:33 am
@Builder,
This is the **** you are citing???????????

This crap? https://geopolitics.co/2022/03/03/putin-is-not-waging-war-vs-ukrainians-but-against-this-special-group/

You have to be a Russian bot.

This is the author's bio:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Meyssan

Thierry Meyssan (French: [tjɛʁi mɛsɑ̃]) is a French journalist, conspiracy theorist[1][2] and political activist.

He is the author of investigations into the extreme right-wing (particularly about the National Front militias, which are the object of a parliamentary investigation and caused a separation of the extreme right-wing party), as well as into the Catholic church (Opus Dei, for example).

Meyssan's book 9/11: The Big Lie (L'Effroyable imposture) challenges the official account of events of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Career

In 1994, Meyssan became a staff member of the Radical Party of the Left (PRG), a centrist political organization, and he participates in the campaign of Bernard Tapie (1994 European elections) and Christiane Taubira (2002 presidential elections).

In 1994, he founded the Voltaire Network and also created Project Ornicar, associations promoting freedom of expression and thinking, of which he is currently president.

From 1996 to 1999, he worked as substitute coordinator of the National Committee of Surveillance against the extreme right, which held weekly meetings with the 45 major political parties, unions and associations belonging to the French left-wing in order to draw up a common response to escalating intolerance.

Between 1999 and 2002, Meyssan replaced Emma Bonino in the leading post of the Anti-prohibitionist Radical Coordination, an international organization aiming to decriminalize drug use as a means to cut organized crime's main source of income.
Publication of The Big Lie

In 2002, he published a book on the September 11 terrorist attacks—9/11: The Big Lie—in which Meyssan argues that such attacks were organized by a faction of the US military–industrial complex in order (1) to impose a non-democratic regime in the United States and (2) to extend US imperialism. The book was translated into 28 languages.[3] It is one of "the first wave of book-length conspiracy speculations" in France and Germany about 9/11.[4]

His following book was Le Pentagate, a book arguing that the attack against the Pentagon was not carried out by a commercial airliner but a missile. The central thesis of the book is that a Boeing 757 did not hit The Pentagon. This was heavily criticised by other prominent 9/11 Truth Movement members such as Jim Hoffman.[5]

He started a campaign at the United Nations to initiate an international investigation commission to revisit the general consensus regarding the 9/11 attacks, but he was not able to reach his objective. There was little support, except from the Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council.[citation needed]
Later activities

In November 2005, Meyssan presided over the Axis for Peace 2005 Colloquium, which gathered over 130 participants from 37 nations in order to discuss the international situation and call a people's mobilization in favour of international law and world peace and against the neoconservative trend.[citation needed]

Meyssan lives in Damascus, Syria.[citation needed] He is columnist for the main Syrian newspaper, Al-Watan.[citation needed].
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neptuneblue
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 07:52 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
I've been following Putin's activity, since he exposed Obama's support for the "rebel fighters" invading Syria, and then Libya.

He's a long chess player, and most people haven't a clue what's really happening in Ukraine.


Putin has been in power for TWENTY years - by a sham election process and murdering opponents. He rules by fear and intimidation and somehow you think that's noteworthy?
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Lash
 
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Sat 5 Mar, 2022 08:54 am
@coluber2001,
There is a massive exodus of Russians leaving the country. There are no flights out, so their doing it by car. They’re afraid Putin will establish martial law and not allow them to leave.
 

 
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