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Sodomizing children, in the name of freedom.

 
 
PDiddie
 
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 07:48 am
Never let it be said that I don't work hard live up to certain people's expectations. The following is really, really vile.

timber, JW, this is for you: some of what you are about to read is borrowed from from a blog. Since I know Markos (and Will, for that matter) personally, I kinda doubt he will sue me for plagiarism, but on the off-chance that either of you actually have something to say about the what these words are communicating I'll be ready to laugh -- make that cry -- again at your pathetic partisan spin:

The Bush administration is blocking the release of the worst photos and video of abuses of Abu Ghraib:

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On July 22, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) denounced the latest efforts of the Bush Administration to block the release of the Darby photos and videos depicting torture at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison facility. On June 2, 2004, CCR, along with the ACLU, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense, and Veterans for Peace filed papers with the U.S. District Court, charging the Department of Defense and other government agencies with illegally withholding records concerning the abuse of detainees in American military custody. Since then, the organizations have been repeatedly rebuffed in their efforts to investigate what happened at the prison.

In June, the government requested and received an extension from the judge stating that they needed time in order to redact the faces of the men, women and children believed to be shown in the photographs and videos. They were given until today to produce the images, but at the eleventh hour filed a motion to oppose the release of the photos and videos, based on an entirely new argument: they are now requesting a 7(F) exemption from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act to withhold law enforcement-related information in order to protect the physical safety of individuals. Today's move is the latest in a series of attempts by the government to keep the images from being made public and to cover up the torture of detainees in U.S. custody around the world.


But why? How bad could it be compared to what we've already seen? Well, I'll tell ya: it's pretty f*cking bad.

The images, according to those lawmakers who have seen them, paint a picture of torture at Abu Ghraib far, far worse than most Americans have been willing to admit. Via the Boston Herald, May 8, 2004:

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Signaling the worst revelations are yet to come, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said the additional photos show "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman." ...

The unreleased images show American soldiers beating one prisoner almost to death, apparently raping a female prisoner, acting inappropriately with a dead body, and taping Iraqi guards raping young boys, according to NBC News.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said the scandal is "going to get worse" and warned that the most "disturbing" revelations haven't yet been made public.

"The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here," he said. "We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience; we're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges."


And from Seymour Hersh:

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The women were passing messages saying "Please come and kill me, because of what's happened". Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking.


Note these links are from 2004. We've known about the additional abuse cases for over a year. And yes, the rest of the world already knows.

Can you stand some more? (not you, conservatives; your appetite for bullsh*t is limitless. I'm talking to the rest of you):

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The White House on Thursday threatened to veto a massive Senate bill for $442 billion in next year's defense programs if it moves to regulate the
Pentagon's treatment of detainees or sets up a commission to investigate operations at Guantanamo Bay prison and elsewhere.

The Bush administration, under fire for the indefinite detention of enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and questions over whether its policies led to horrendous abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, put lawmakers on notice it did not want them legislating on the matter.

In a statement, the White House said such amendments would "interfere with the protection of Americans from terrorism by diverting resources from the war."

"If legislation is presented that would restrict the president's authority to protect Americans effectively from terrorist attack and bring terrorists to justice," the bill could be vetoed, the statement said.


So let's review, for the Republican-impaired:

On the one hand, the Bush administration is blocking the release of the photographic proof of the most horrific war crimes committed in U.S. military-run prisons. And on the other hand, they are threatening to veto any attempts by Congress to establish laws banning such torture -- or even to investigate the torture already documented.

Makes you proud to be an American, don't it?
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amosunknown
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 08:09 am
umm...
I knew nothing of this. Where and how did you find this information? Its sickening at the very least. Supposing this is true on all counts, it would have been better to die in a nuclear holocaust.

I have many friends fighting in Iraq and others on duty abroad, its hell over there. People hate them at home, everyone hates them in other countries. And now this. For cripes sake the world prefers communist China to America.

Personally, I think we should just suck it up and live with the fact that our happy little world over here in America wont last forever, you can piss off a few neighbors and still have enough friends, but expose yourself to the whole damn neighborhood and they'll tear you to frigg'n pieces. We've got bigger problems than any hippy sign waver, or freedom fighter could shake a stick or a gun at. This nation is killing itself, and thats more true than the sky being blue. You cant have your insides attacking themselves, its like cancer.

Things like this dont get better, look at our history, things havent been getting progressively better, they've been unraveling since the 20th century began. So i guess its not overly suprising that these things have been exposed.. Even the God damned americans hate the Americans. This place will fall apart one way or another.

For anyone who doesnt agree, we'll have this conversation again in ten years. You have to admit that 200 years as a nation rivals most... Some kinda $h!T has to go down..
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 08:16 am
Re: umm...
amosunknown wrote:
I knew nothing of this. Where and how did you find this information? Its sickening at the very least. Supposing this is true on all counts, it would have been better to die in a nuclear holocaust.


A belated welcome to A2K, amos.

To answer your question, click on the links. I don't come here with data like this any more -- well rarely -- because it is just too stimulating to my blood pressure to read the posts of the Republican excuse-makers and apologists.

They'll be along shortly, and you can see what I mean.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 08:31 am
Re: umm...
amosunknown wrote:
People hate them at home, everyone hates them in other countries. And now this. For cripes sake the world prefers communist China to America.

Personally, I think we should just suck it up and live with the fact that our happy little world over here in America wont last forever, you can piss off a few neighbors and still have enough friends, but expose yourself to the whole damn neighborhood and they'll tear you to frigg'n pieces. We've got bigger problems than any hippy sign waver, or freedom fighter could shake a stick or a gun at. This nation is killing itself, and thats more true than the sky being blue. You cant have your insides attacking themselves, its like cancer.

Things like this dont get better, look at our history, things havent been getting progressively better, they've been unraveling since the 20th century began. So i guess its not overly suprising that these things have been exposed.. Even the God damned americans hate the Americans. This place will fall apart one way or another.

For anyone who doesnt agree, we'll have this conversation again in ten years. You have to admit that 200 years as a nation rivals most... Some kinda $h!T has to go down..


I want to respond to this (specifically the colored portions) in disagreement.

There may be some in this country who hate the soldiers, or hate Americans, but certainly not me (and I also doubt any are Democrats). Most likely anyone who fits this description feels the same way about both political parties, FWIW.

Last night at my After Downing Street Teach-In locally, I heard Anne Wright speak eloquently about the support we must all give to those who are doing the fighting, bleeding, and dying overseas right now.

I have always supported our military, and now I will do so to the extent of volunteering a few hours a week at the VA hospital not far from my home.

I believe now that the best way we can all support our troops is not just to bring them home as soon as possible, but by nudging our Washington representatives to bring forth articles of impeachment against this president.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 09:43 am
Your obsession to see this president impeached is only exceeded by your penchant for self flagellation.

Go ahead with your plans of show the most vile of the photo's. All I ask is that with every photo of an atrocity at Abu Graib, show a photo of a beheading such as Nick Berg, or any of the many atrocities committed by Muslim fanatics.

Does it make any difference to you that the photos and atrocities were all committed by the same people.........who have already been identified and punished?????????

Your obsession is revolting.......but then this is a free country and can withstand even the attempts to destroy it from within by the likes of you and the ACLU.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:03 am
And your obsession with this president is sick, rayban. These things are already being published around the world. Who is responsible for it? A Secretary of Defense or a President signing this into law, or just the soldiers doing the dirty work?

A country where the truth can be withheld from its people by those who are in power is way closer to self-destruction than a country where citizens get to know what is going on around the world in their name.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:08 am
So rayban is comparing terrorists with ... Shocked
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:12 am
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Does it make any difference to you that the photos and atrocities were all committed by the same people.........who have already been identified and punished?????????


Yeah, this is not true.

But keep sticking your head in the sand....

Cycloptichorn
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:18 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Does it make any difference to you that the photos and atrocities were all committed by the same people.........who have already been identified and punished?????????


Yeah, this is not true.

But keep sticking your head in the sand....

Cycloptichorn


Give me evidence that this is not true.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:20 am
I can't; they won't release the pictures.

Remember that the origional batch of photos numbered in the thousands and there were several videos.

Remember that Eight people were charged? There's no way just 8 people were responsible.

And none of the higher ups who approved of this were charged. So those responsible have NOT been brought to justice.

Learn the facts...

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:26 am
Here's a translation of the Spiegel article:

Der Spiegel: More Than 100 Children Imprisoned; Report Of Abuse By U.S. Soldiers


Here's a translation of the transcript from the story that ran on TV in Germany:

The fall from grace in Iraq - Reports on maltreated children in the torture prison
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:27 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So rayban is comparing terrorists with ... Shocked


What we need in this situation is a little balance. Even you would admit that a picture is worth a thousand words. A picture of one atrocity should be balanced with a picture of an atrocity by the other side. What.....you have no sense of fairness??????

The audience is in the ME......and the level of sophistication is very low......I make this statement after witnessing the blind devotion of memorizing the hatred taught in the Madrassas. Prove me wrong.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:38 am
rayban1 wrote:
What.....you have no sense of fairness??????


You know this by whom or by what of my actions especially?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:39 am
Walter, don't tease the monkey.

http://www.bartcop.com/bushmonkey2.gif
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:40 am
rayban1 wrote:
A picture of one atrocity should be balanced with a picture of an atrocity by the other side.


I would never like to be compared with terroristic acts. But each to her/his own.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 10:59 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
rayban1 wrote:
A picture of one atrocity should be balanced with a picture of an atrocity by the other side.


I would never like to be compared with terroristic acts. But each to her/his own.


Maybe turning the other cheek and suffering in silence works for you.......not for me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:00 am
That doesn't answer from whom or what you noticed my unfairness ... or does it?

Besides:
rayban1 wrote:


Maybe turning the other cheek and suffering in silence works for you.......not for me.


You should read the bible and get the correct quote.

(In case, you don't have a bible and christinaity is unknown to you: Luke 6:29: "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn the other cheek. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also." )
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:09 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
rayban1 wrote:
What.....you have no sense of fairness??????


You know this by whom or by what of my actions especially?


That was an attempt at ironic humour Walter, but the meaning got lost in your translation.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:15 am
Walter wrote:
(In case, you don't have a bible and christinaity is unknown to you: Luke 6:29: "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn the other cheek. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also." )


Your lesson in Christianity is almost blasphemous Walter. I got the impression you had abandoned Christianity in favor of Socialism.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:23 am
rayban1 wrote:

Your lesson in Christianity is almost blasphemous Walter. I got the impression you had abandoned Christianity in favor of Socialism.


Could you please - and I'm serious - try to explain, why I can't be a Christian and a socialist?

Did you ever hear of worker's priests, like e.g. Don Bosco?
Besides, I think, more than 90% of our local (town and county) party members are either Evangelicals or Catholics, a little bit less on state level.

(Blair, btw, is a Christian, too, his wife Catholic, he an Anglican. Schröder is an Evangelical.)
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