InfraBlue wrote:McInnes was quoted directly.
If that's true, show me the quote where McInnes described himself and/or the Proud Boys as "White Nationalists" or "Neo -Fascists". Where is the direct quote from McInnes? Not the sophistry from the NY Times reporter, but the actual quote.
Again, you are a liar liar with your pants on fire. Not surprising, because you're the kind of person who uses known propaganda outlet the NY Times as a "source".
InfraBlue wrote:Describable by anyone who can comprehend terms and their definitions.
But you're defining it according to your definitions, not theirs. Not McInnes or the Proud Boys themselves.
InfraBlue wrote:Their statements like those of McInnes' that I quoted are descriptive enough.
Again, according to you, an anti-white racist who openly hates American culture and who hates normal people who aren't leftist weirdos.
InfraBlue wrote:According to anyone who comprehends the history of racism in the US.
Leftist, progressive history of "racism" in the US. You left out "leftist and progressive", but that's what you actually meant.
Believe it or not, most normal people who aren't weirdos also aren't progressives.
InfraBlue wrote:Cultures have been destroyed continually throughout history.
What are you saying? That people should just roll over and allow their culture to be destroyed?
InfraBlue wrote:The simplistic idea of keeping an undiluted culture is seen throughout the world among its various peoples.
"Simplistic" according to who? So what you're saying is that tradition, history, and culture aren't worth preserving? Most normal people who aren't leftist weirdos would strongly disagree with you.
InfraBlue wrote:Yes it is.
No. It's not. You're a sophist.
InfraBlue wrote:I'm pointing out the neo-fascist, White nationalism underlying the Proud Boys.
There is literally zero evidence to support this claim, unless you consider fighting back against Antifa to be what constitutes "neo-fascism and white nationalism", which is retarded.
InfraBlue wrote:I don't have a problem with White Americans.
No, you have a problem with white, male, Christian, conservative Americans specifically. In other words normal guys who aren't leftist/BLM/Antifa weirdos.
One doesn't have to describe themselves as neo-fascist, White nationalists to be neo-fascist, White nationalists.
Their statements, like those of McInnes' that I quoted, are descriptive enough.
I haven't lied about McInnes and the Proud Boys.
Show me where McInnes' has refuted his quote in the New York Times article.
You are incorrect.
FreedomEyeLove wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
According to anyone who comprehends the history of racism in the US.
Leftist, progressive history of "racism" in the US. You left out "leftist and progressive", but that's what you actually meant.
Wrong. That's not what I meant.
I am not saying that people should just roll over and allow their culture to be destroyed. I am saying that **** happens.
The violent factor tied in with the racial nationalism is part of what makes the Proud Boys neo-fascists.
No, you have a problem with white, male, Christian, conservative Americans specifically. In other words normal guys who aren't leftist/BLM/Antifa weirdos.
Wrong.
Says the sophist.
There has been article after article talking about all the corruption in the SPLC just in the past year, do a simple Google search.
If you could link to an article,instead of having me look for it
Does a Fox News article count for you?
InfraBlue wrote:One doesn't have to describe themselves as neo-fascist, White nationalists to be neo-fascist, White nationalists.
In other words, people like you get to decide what other people think and believe. Please tell me more Professor Xavier.
InfraBlue wrote:Their statements, like those of McInnes' that I quoted, are descriptive enough.
According to you.
InfraBlue wrote:I haven't lied about McInnes and the Proud Boys.
Yes. You have.
InfraBlue wrote:Show me where McInnes' has refuted his quote in the New York Times article.
I watched McInnes's youtube channel, literally for years. I saw him refute hundreds of claims of like this. I've seen him explicitly refute the claim that he and the Proud Boys are white nationalists over and over. I sure wish that I could link a video clip, but his youtube channel was shut down this summer when youtube went through a purge and banned hundreds of right wing channels with years of history and millions of views... all because they want Trump to lose the election. None of these channels broke any rules. Now McInnes is behind a pay wall with his content.
InfraBlue wrote:You are incorrect.
I am 100% correct.
That's exactly what you meant.
InfraBlue wrote:I am not saying that people should just roll over and allow their culture to be destroyed. I am saying that **** happens.
Yep, and when **** happens enough, people get fed up and fight back because they don't want their culture destroyed. You don't then get to call those people "white nationalists" and "fascists" simply because you dislike them. It's not an accurate description.
InfraBlue wrote:The violent factor tied in with the racial nationalism is part of what makes the Proud Boys neo-fascists.
There is literally ZERO evidence to support this claim. Zero. You've presented none.
InfraBlue wrote:Says the sophist.
You are the sophist.
You think that you get to decide what people believe and think based on nothing other than if you don't personally like them or not. You think that you get to decree anyone who you don't like to be the boogieman.
get to apply terms such as neo-fascist, White nationalists when the terms' definitions fit, such as with McInnes and the Proud Boys.
According to their statements' correspondence with the definitions of the terms.
No I haven't.
A duck can refute that it is a duck, as well; in the end it is still a duck, however.
No you're not.
No it isn't.
It' an accurate description when fighting back is approached through a fascistic, White nationalist manner, however.
There are news reports of their violence.
That is evidence of their violence.
Their founder's words are evidence of their racial nationalism.
No, you are the sophist.
I've supported what I've asserted.
Perhaps a communist like Kamla Harris refuting that she's a communist?
Leftist "evidence".
Michigan-based militia members plotted extensively to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer at her vacation home before the Nov. 3 presidential election, stockpiling weapons and explosives and twice staking out her residence, according to an FBI affidavit unsealed Thursday that described probable cause to charge six suspects as part of a conspiracy.
Michigan-based militia members plotted extensively to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer at her vacation home before the Nov. 3 presidential election, stockpiling weapons and explosives and twice staking out her residence, according to an FBI affidavit unsealed Thursday that described probable cause to charge six suspects as part of a conspiracy.
InfraBlue wrote:get to apply terms such as neo-fascist, White nationalists when the terms' definitions fit, such as with McInnes and the Proud Boys.
The definitions only "fit" according to leftists like you.
Quote:According to their statements' correspondence with the definitions of the terms.
100% bullshit.
Quote:No I haven't.
Yes. You have.
InfraBlue wrote:A duck can refute that it is a duck, as well; in the end it is still a duck, however.
Would you apply this same sort reasoning to someone on your side? Perhaps a communist like Kamla Harris refuting that she's a communist? Me thinks not. And that's exactly why you're a hypocrite. A hypocrite, and also someone who thinks they get to decide what other people think and believe.
InfraBlue wrote:No you're not.
Yes, I am. I am 100% correct.
Quote:No it isn't.
Yes, it is. That's exactly what you meant.
Quote:It' an accurate description when fighting back is approached through a fascistic, White nationalist manner, however.
According to your personal definition of "fascistic, White nationalist", only according to that.
Quote:There are news reports of their violence.
Leftist news reports.
Quote:That is evidence of their violence.
Leftist "evidence".
Quote:Their founder's words are evidence of their racial nationalism.
Only according to radical leftists like you. And you're so inept, that you don't even know that McInnes hasn't been associated with the Proud Boys in over a year. He has no association with them anymore.
Quote:No, you are the sophist.
You're the pot calling the kettle black.
Quote:I've supported what I've asserted.
If spewing lies and bullshit counts, then sure.
The definitions fit regardless of political leaning.
Nuh-uh.
You'd have to establish that Kamala Harris is a communist
"fascistic, White nationalist" that I'm going by isn't a personal definition of mine. It's defined by
scholars that treat the matter.
It doesn't make them any less accurate.
According to their founder's own words in regard to racial nationalism. I haven't seen the Proud Boys disavow McInnes' words in regard to his white pride nationalism.
News reports and direct quotes are not lies and bullshit, however.
Harris is the....
...Trump said so.
Quote:The definitions fit regardless of political leaning.
Incorrect.
Quote:Nuh-uh.
Yeah-huh!
InfraBlue wrote:You'd have to establish that Kamala Harris is a communist
Harris is the most extreme left wing member of the senate. President Trump said so. If the NY Times counts as a "source" for you leftists weirdos, then the sitting president of the United States counts as one as well.
Quote:"fascistic, White nationalist" that I'm going by isn't a personal definition of mine. It's defined by
scholars that treat the matter.
But you're defining it based soley on your personal beliefs. Again, you are a demonstrable sophist.
InfraBlue wrote:It doesn't make them any less accurate.
It means they have no credibility. Leftist media outlets are activists, they're not actual journalists.
InfraBlue wrote:According to their founder's own words in regard to racial nationalism. I haven't seen the Proud Boys disavow McInnes' words in regard to his white pride nationalism.
McInnes has never once talked about "white pride". You are, again, a liar. And again, so what if someone even did have pride in being white? You wouldn't begrudge a black person for having pride in being black. ...oh, that's right you're an anti-white racist. I forgot.
Quote:News reports and direct quotes are not lies and bullshit, however.
Except that you have no direct quotes taken in actual context, and the only "news reports" you present, are from activist, far left wing nutjob outlets.
Nuh-uh.
Another thing is establishing that she is a communist, which you haven't done.
Again, the definition isn't mine. There is no sophistry involved.
Direct quotes are verily credible.
The reports about their violence have not been discredited.
He's quoted directly in the article I cited earlier about his white pride.
About your comparison with black pride, you're only being redundant, since I've already addressed it.
What you forget is that I'm not an anti-White racist.
The news reports have not been discredited.
oralloy wrote:Socialism just means that the government controls the means of production.
Not really.
Under fascism, government control of the means of production, with the cooperation of the corporate (or owning) class, with profits still flowing to the corporate class, with its leaders selected from the corporate class, under a banner of nationalism, remains distinct from socialism.
In socialism (as opposed to the welfare state) the working class would own and control the means of production, government would be led by the workers, there would be no capitalist owning class at all. Production and distribution of goods would be based on social need, not the pursuit of profits.
oralloy wrote:Government control of the means of production doesn't necessarily mean at the expense of the corporate class.
Not in fascism, correct. Because fascism is still a capitalistic alliance between the government and the owning class.
oralloy wrote:In the case of fascism, socialism happens with the cooperation of the corporate class.
Social programs exist under fascism, but welfare, education, national health insurance, and similar measures are used to shore up a capitalist economy by providing a source of healthy, educated workers.
As long as the power structure remains in the hands of the corporate class, backed up by the military, "socialism" would be a misnomer.
InfraBlue wrote:Nuh-uh.
Yeah-huh, infinity plus 1!
InfraBlue wrote:Another thing is establishing that she is a communist, which you haven't done.
She wants criminals and people who aren't U.S. citizens to be able to vote. And she wants to make it illegal for people express their first and second amendment rights. Yep, she's a communist. Confirmed.
InfraBlue wrote:Again, the definition isn't mine. There is no sophistry involved.
Yes, it is your subjective definition. And yes, you are a sophist.
InfraBlue wrote:Direct quotes are verily credible.
There are no direct, unaltered quotes.
InfraBlue wrote:The reports about their violence have not been discredited.
Yes, they have. You just don't accept the people who've discredited them, because you're a far leftist.
InfraBlue wrote:He's quoted directly in the article I cited earlier about his white pride.
Nope. Not directly, and not in context.
You're a lying liar who lies.
InfraBlue wrote:About your comparison with black pride, you're only being redundant, since I've already addressed it.
You think that whites are the only race who isn't allowed to have pride, because you're an anti-white racist.
InfraBlue wrote:What you forget is that I'm not an anti-White racist.
Yep, you are. Big time.
Quote:The news reports have not been discredited.
They've been discredited a million times by McInnes and others. You just won't ackowledge it, because of your sophistry.
