Tonights Debate: Who wants to predict what new lines will be heard?

"I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of

"I don't want our culture diluted.

We need to close the borders now

let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.

Does anyone know if debate 2 and 3 are still expected to occur?

While big-government socialism is a leftist phenomenon, it isn't fascistic

fascists are anti-socialism, placing them on the right of the political spectrum.

Fascism is a mix of both left and right.

Socialism just means that the government controls the means of production.

Government control of the means of production doesn't necessarily mean at the expense of the corporate class.

In the case of fascism, socialism happens with the cooperation of the corporate class.

First of all, citation needed.

FreedomEyeLove, quoting Gavin McInnes wrote:

I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of

Assuming this is even a real quote, so what? Would you have a problem with a black person being proud of being black? Why should white people be the only race who can't take pride in their heritage?

FreedomEyeLove, quoting McInnes wrote:

I don't want our culture diluted.

I don't want the culture diluted, and I'm not even originally from America. What's wrong with wanting to retain culture?

Again, what if a different (let's say non white) country said the same thing? Japan holds very similar attitudes. Are they racist according to you?

FreedomEyeLove, quoting McInnes wrote:

We need to close the borders now

Yep, and that's for the good of everyone involved.

FreedomEyeLove, quoting McInnes wrote:

let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.

This used to be expected. There was a time in the past where you didn't have the option to press 2 for Spanish. And that's because assimilation was expected.

Imagine if an English speaking, white person moved to Somalia and demanded that everyone else change their native culture to accommodate them as an outsider.

I think a better question is, why are you so racist and xenophobic against white Americans?

McInnes' ideas are describable as neo-fascist, White-nationalist.

In light of the centuries of racism in the US perpetrated by White people and the brunt of it suffered by Black people, pride in being White carries a different connotation from pride in being Black.

The idea of an undiluted, pure culture reveals an ignorance about culture and the fact that culture is dynamic and changing.

When tied to race this simplistic idea of an undiluted culture tends to precede, and is used to rationalize discriminatory behavior towards other races.

Racial/Ethnic discrimination in Japan persists.

Not accepting neo-fascist, White-nationalist ideology is neither racist nor xenophobic.

You consider the NYT Times a reliable, non biased source?

InfraBlue wrote:

McInnes' ideas are describable as neo-fascist, White-nationalist.

Describable by who? An extremist, far left wing media outlet?

Show me a quote where McInnes described himself or the Proud Boys as neo-fascist or white-nationalist. Show me a verified quote straight from the horse's mouth.

InfraBlue wrote:

In light of the centuries of racism in the US perpetrated by White people and the brunt of it suffered by Black people, pride in being White carries a different connotation from pride in being Black.

Only according to anti-white racists.

InfraBlue wrote:

The idea of an undiluted, pure culture reveals an ignorance about culture and the fact that culture is dynamic and changing.

There's a big difference between changing culture and destroying it. This is sophistry.

InfraBlue wrote:

When tied to race this simplistic idea of an undiluted culture tends to precede, and is used to rationalize discriminatory behavior towards other races.

But only when western, English speaking white people do it, right? Because leftists have zero problem with Muslims for example keeping their culture undiluted.

InfraBlue wrote:

Racial/Ethnic discrimination in Japan persists.

Japan is a nationalist country. Nothing wrong with that. They also are one of the few countries not completely overrun with Islam.

InfraBlue wrote:

Not accepting neo-fascist, White-nationalist ideology is neither racist nor xenophobic.

But this isn't your position.

You're conflating Americans taking pride in their culture with neo-fascism and white-nationalism. They are not the same thing.

Your real problem is with white Americans. And that's because white Americans are literally the only group of people who it's socially acceptable to be bigoted against, especially white, male, Christian, conservative Americans.

McInnes was quoted directly.

Describable by anyone who can comprehend terms and their definitions.

Their statements like those of McInnes' that I quoted are descriptive enough.

According to anyone who comprehends the history of racism in the US.

Cultures have been destroyed continually throughout history.

The simplistic idea of keeping an undiluted culture is seen throughout the world among its various peoples.

Yes it is.

I'm pointing out the neo-fascist, White nationalism underlying the Proud Boys.

I don't have a problem with White Americans.

I'm not exactly sure why the Proud Boys named themselves after a Disney song written by an openly gay lyricist.

McInnes himself has ties to the racist right and has contributed to hate sites like VDare.com and American Renaissance, both of which publish the work of white supremacists and so-called “race realists.” He even used Taki’s Magazine — a far-right publication whose contributors include Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor — to announce the founding of the Proud Boys. McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term “alt-right” while espousing some of its central tenets. For example, McInnes has himself said it is fair to call him Islamophobic.

Mr. McInnes advocated changing New York license plates to read ''Liberalism Gone Amok.'' Last month, he wrote an article for Patrick Buchanan in The American Conservative boasting of having converted Vice readers to conservatism.

He actually leans much further to the right than the Republican Party. His views are closer to a white supremacist's. ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of,'' he said. ''I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''

"Haven’t you seen all the totally functional, happily married, normal trannies walking around? They aren’t all dead, you know," McInnes writes. "They sell flowers at the local village and bake pies for their scores of adopted children. They’re non-heteronormative. In fact, the only thing more normal than castrating yourself and taking tons of hormones to grow tits is chopping them off. Women who get double mastectomies and then have their cunts turned inside out are just righting a wrong. They need to have a weird cheese blintz-looking thing sticking out of their previous cooch because it feels way better than wearing a strap-on. Sure, the nerve endings aren’t the same as a real dick, but standing up to go pee pee is something these women were born to do. How dare you have a problem with that?"

There has been article after article talking about all the corruption in the SPLC just in the past year, do a simple Google search.

The Proud Boys, a group of “Western chauvinists” who fashion themselves the counterweight to Antifa, have sometimes espoused White supremacist and misogynistic views. They have violently clashed with left-wing demonstrators across the country.