Tonights Debate: Who wants to predict what new lines will be heard?

@Rebelofnj,

Rebelofnj wrote:

If I may, you did claim that The United Nations tried to ban all guns worldwide until they were stopped by John Bolton.
However, I couldn't find anything that matched that.

The UN tried to get the nations of the world to create a treaty that would outlaw civilian gun ownership.

Here are two copies of John Bolton's speech where he told the UN that the US would not be a party to any such treaty:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020821044136/grip.org/bdg/g1894.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20010726044319/un.int/usa/01_104.htm

Rebelofnj wrote:

Also, you did say The Supreme Court wouldn't defend gun rights, even though the Court is leaning towards conservative, even before Ginsburg's death.

Well, so far they aren't doing it.

If we can ram though confirmation of this new nominee and then prevent the Democrats from packing the court, this might change.

Rebelofnj wrote:

And you have said only the NRA can enforce gun laws, despite the fact they have zero legal authority to do so.

I say that the NRA are the only ones who are currently enforcing the Second Amendment.

The NRA does have the legal authority to do this. America is a democracy where the people have the right to vote for whoever they want to.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

My proof is the fact that racial pride is tied in with their ideas about culture and nation, they're also intolerant of leftist ideas.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

My proof is the fact that racial pride is tied in with their ideas about culture and nation, they're also intolerant of leftist ideas.

This is an awfully partisan "proof".

What if someone is intolerant of rightist ideas?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
What is the term for a statement that can be tested (either proven or disproven) rather than just asserted?

"Claims" and "assertions" can be tested, and proved or disproved.

So in your world

- Any claim that is "true" is a fact.
- Any claim that is not true is an opinion.

The biggest problem I have with your crazy definitions is that to you a fact doesn't have to be proven.

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@maxdancona,

If someone was intolerant of most rightist ideas they wouldn't rightists.

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@InfraBlue,

It is a propaganda trick you are using InfraBlue.

You are equating the political right with fascism.

It isn't logic.

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@maxdancona,

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Please tell me the objective definition of fascism.

Definition of fascism:

1) a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2) a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality
— J. W. Aldridge

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

What's so hard to understand about that Max?

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@FreedomEyeLove,

Now... if this is an objective definition, can you tell me which Political leaders in the past 20 years have fit that definition?

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@maxdancona,

Fascism is on the right, far-right, of the political spectrum.

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@maxdancona,

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can you tell me which Political leaders in the past 20 years have fit that definition?

And why exactly would you rely on my personal assessment after you claimed that I'm "extreme right wing"?

Unless your goal is simply to argue, shift the goal post, and twist what's said into something completely different...

It's not like I'm not aware of what you do here Max.

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@InfraBlue,

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My proof is the fact that racial pride is tied in with their ideas about culture and nation

Not true at all. Show me unbiased proof that's the case.

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they're also intolerant of leftist ideas.

LOL! So basically in your assessment, they're big ole' meanies simply because they disagree with your leftist ideas.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Laughing

Please pay attention to the reasoning that infrablue is exhibiting here folks. What he/she is saying, is that if some person or group doesn't fall in line with leftism, that in and of itself makes them evil.

I want to be able to go through life like that and have everyone else have to conform to my own personal whims.

When someone doesn't line up exactly with my personal beliefs, I should be able to shame them into conforming by labeling them "White nationalists" (even black folks) aka boogiemen.

Oh infrablue, you gave me my laugh for the day. Very funny stuff.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

You being extreme right wing is exactly the point. If the definition were truly objective then it wouldn't matter. You and InfraBlue and Oralloy and Hightor and Rebel would all agree on who applies.

The fact that your political ideology so much determines who you judge to be a fascist is exactly the point.

The way to prove me wrong is for you and InfraBlue to agree on which American politicians (let's start with the past 5 presidents including Trump) are fascists.

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@maxdancona,

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You being extreme right wing

Once again, that is your subjective assessment which does not reflect my personal beliefs.

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If the definition were truly objective then it wouldn't matter.

Fascism has a definition. That people use it to describe things that it isn't doesn't change that.

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The way to prove me wrong is for you and InfraBlue to agree on which American politicians (let's start with the past 5 presidents including Trump) are fascists.

I'm not going to fall for your bait Max.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

Yes Freedom. That is exactly right. Maybe you are getting it.

Obviously when I call you "extreme right wing" I am expressing my own subjective opinion. I don't offer any way to test that, or any way for you to disprove. It is obviously me expressing an opinion based on how I feel about your posts.

I have no problem with expressing opinions. However, I don't argue them as fact (unless they are actually objectively testable facts).

These pejorative labels; "extremist" or "fascist" or "racist" or "moron" or any other are almost never fact based. When I call you "Extreme right wing" I am expressing my personal attitude toward your beliefs.

I don't know why you would think otherwise.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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I'm not going to fall for your bait Max.

Maybe someone will take my bait (although you not taking my bait proves my point just as well).

Who are the fascist presidents (one vote per person)

1) Just Donald Trump
2) Donald Trump, George Bush
3) Just Barack Obama
4) Barack Obama and Bill Clinton
5) Barack Obama and Donald Trump (but no one else).
6) All of them.
7) None of them.

(What is really funny about #5 is that FreedomEyeLove's definition can be twisted to fit both Obama and Trump if you squint your eyes in the just right partisan way).

I vote #6. Is anyone else with me?

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@maxdancona,

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you not taking my bait proves my point just as well.

No, it doesn't. It proves nothing.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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you not taking my bait proves my point just as well.

No, it doesn't. It proves nothing.

Now you are taking my bait again. Make up your mind shortcake. Either way, I will just say you are making my point for me... but you really should pick a side and stick with it.

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@maxdancona,

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Now you are taking my bait again. Make up your mind shortcake. Either way, I will just say you are making my point for me... but you really should pick a side and stick with it.

I know you are,

...but what am I?

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@FreedomEyeLove,

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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My proof is the fact that racial pride is tied in with their ideas about culture and nation

Not true at all. Show me unbiased proof that's the case.

What's "unbiased proof" to you?

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

Quote:
they're also intolerant of leftist ideas.

LOL! So basically in your assessment, they're big ole' meanies simply because they disagree with your leftist ideas.

I didn't say they're big ole' meanies simply because they disagree with my leftist ideas; I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things. Yours is a straw man argument.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

Please pay attention to the reasoning that infrablue is exhibiting here folks. What he/she is saying, is that if some person or group doesn't fall in line with leftism, that in and of itself makes them evil.

I didn't say that "if some person or group doesn't fall in line with leftism, that in and of itself makes them evil." That's another straw man argument of yours.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

I want to be able to go through life like that and have everyone else have to conform to my own personal whims.

When someone doesn't line up exactly with my personal beliefs, I should be able to shame them into conforming by labeling them "White nationalists" (even black folks) aka boogiemen.

M'kay.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

Oh infrablue, you gave me my laugh for the day. Very funny stuff.

Seeing as how you're laughing at your own straw man arguments, it's apparent that you're easily amused—by yourself. Stick to masturbation.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Fascism is on the right, far-right, of the political spectrum.

That is incorrect. Fascism is a malignant form of populism, and populism adopts bad ideas from both the right and the left.

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