Tonights Debate: Who wants to predict what new lines will be heard?

@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

So in your world
- Any claim that is "true" is a fact.

OK.

Not exactly how I would have worded it, but OK.

maxdancona wrote:

- Any claim that is not true is an opinion.

No. Any claim that is untrue is wrong.

This is a fact: 2 + 2 = 4

This is an opinion: I think it is wonderful that 2 + 2 = 4

This is an opinion: I think it is terrible that 2 + 2 = 4

This is wrong: 2 + 2 = 5

maxdancona wrote:

The biggest problem I have with your crazy definitions is that to you a fact doesn't have to be proven.

Not at all. I am happy to provide cites upon request if anyone finds my claims questionable.

Except for 9/11 conspiracy nonsense with JTT. I'm not going to waste time looking up cites for 9/11 conspiracy nonsense.

But other than that, if you have questions about my facts, ask away. Challenge me to back them up. Just be prepared for me to actually back up my claims when I'm challenged.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Who are the fascist presidents (one vote per person)

1) Just Donald Trump
2) Donald Trump, George Bush
3) Just Barack Obama
4) Barack Obama and Bill Clinton
5) Barack Obama and Donald Trump (but no one else).
6) All of them.
7) None of them.

7) None of them.

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@oralloy,

More correctly, populism manifests itself within the different political movements along the entire left-right political spectrum, including Fascist movements which are decidedly rightist.

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@InfraBlue,

Populism and fascism adopt bad ideas from both ends of the political spectrum. They are just as much left as they are right.

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@oralloy,

Whereas populism spans the political spectrum, fascism is decidedly rightist.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Whereas populism spans the political spectrum, fascism is decidedly rightist.

This is a ridiculous statement.

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@maxdancona,

No it isn’t.

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@InfraBlue,

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I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

Where is your evidence for those sentiments?

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I didn't say that "if some person or group doesn't fall in line with leftism, that in and of itself makes them evil." That's another straw man argument of yours.

I was making fun of how ridiculous your claims are.

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M'kay.

I'm correct. You are incorrect.

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Stick to masturbation.

Why are you constantly fantasizing about me me doing this? Says much more about you.

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@maxdancona,

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This is a ridiculous statement.

Indeed, and from a ridiculous person.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Whereas populism spans the political spectrum, fascism is decidedly rightist.

That is incorrect. Fascism takes bad ideas from both the right and the left.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

Where is your evidence for those sentiments?

Oh, they're not sentiments; the descriptors are based on the words of their founder, Gavin McInnes.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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I didn't say that "if some person or group doesn't fall in line with leftism, that in and of itself makes them evil." That's another straw man argument of yours.

I was making fun of how ridiculous your claims are.

Those weren't my claims. You were making fun of your own straw man argument.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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M'kay.

I'm correct. You are incorrect.

uh-Huh.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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Stick to masturbation.

Why are you constantly fantasizing about me me doing this? Says much more about you.

Constantly? I only made the suggestion once. It's better than the innanities you've posted here.

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@oralloy,

More correctly, populism manifests itself within the different political movements along the entire left-right political spectrum, including Fascist movements which are decidedly rightist.

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@InfraBlue,

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I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

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Oh, they're not sentiments; the descriptors are based on the words of their founder, Gavin McInnes.

Show me proof. Otherwise you are a liar liar, with your pants on fire.

I've seen McInnes address this nonsense many times. I dare you to find me a verified quote from him where he described the Proud Boys as being "white nationalists" or "fascists".

I double dog dare you. Go find one.

If you can't provide one, that is proof positive that you're a liar.

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Those weren't my claims. You were making fun of your own straw man argument.

I was making fun of how you said that anyone who's " intolerant of leftist ideas" is a white nationalist boogieman. That's literally what you said.

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M'kay.

I'm correct. You are incorrect.

uh-Huh.

Yes. I am objectively correct, and you are objectively incorrect.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

I've seen McInnes address this nonsense many times. I dare you to find me a verified quote from him where he described the Proud Boys as being "white nationalists" or "fascists".

I didn't say he described the Proud Boys as being white nationalists or fascists. I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

If you can't provide one, that is proof positive that you're a liar.

Seeing as how it is not my claim that McInnes described the Proud Boys as being white nationalists or fascists, I am not a liar. You are deceitful in putting up your straw man argument, though.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Those weren't my claims. You were making fun of your own straw man argument.

I was making fun of how you said that anyone who's " intolerant of leftist ideas" is a white nationalist boogieman. That's literally what you said.

You're confused. I didn't say that.

FreedomEyeLove wrote:

Show me proof. Otherwise you are a liar liar, with your pants on fire.

I double dog dare you. Go find one.

How old are you?

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@InfraBlue,

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I didn't say he described the Proud Boys as being white nationalists or fascists.

Yes, you did.

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I said that they're neo-fascist, White nationalists, among other things.

And where is your proof? I'm still waiting.

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Seeing as how it is not my claim that McInnes described the Proud Boys as being white nationalists or fascists, I am not a liar.

You did claim that, and now you are a double liar; lying about your original lie.

FreedomEyeLove said:

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I was making fun of how you said that anyone who's " intolerant of leftist ideas" is a white nationalist boogieman. That's literally what you said.

InfraBlue said:

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You're confused. I didn't say that.

Yep, you said that.

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How old are you?

You are a lying liar who lies.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

More correctly, populism manifests itself within the different political movements along the entire left-right political spectrum, including Fascist movements which are decidedly rightist.

That is incorrect. Fascists are big-government socialists. Big-government socialism is a leftist phenomenon.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

M'kay.

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@InfraBlue,

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M'kay.

I'm still waiting here for you to present evidence that supports your statements.

Liar.

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@oralloy,

While big-government socialism is a leftist phenomenon, it isn't fascistic seeing as how fascists are anti-socialism, placing them on the right of the political spectrum.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

The evidence is the words of their founder, Gavin McInnes, quote, "I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. "I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life."

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