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Pardon Trump from all charges if he just leaves??

 
 
Tue 18 Aug, 2020 07:38 pm
I think he'd buy it. I suggest we float this by him and if he agrees, that will make the entire election thingy a mere formality. Trump wants SO MUCH OUT TO BE. He looks rehearsed in his casualness , and just flat run-over. Even his speeches are waay more tepid and lifeless.
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roger
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 07:56 pm
@BillRM,
Well, there's still the state level. Not as satisfying, but better than nothing.
farmerman
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 08:07 pm
@BillRM,
Well, all the charges would take effect only AFTER he leaves office so this pardon would be unrecognized. If he left before the election it would make Pence the candidate and HE woulld deliver the pardon . It would just burn his pride to be tossed and forgiven with no penance(not even a perfect act of contrition)
farmerman
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 08:09 pm
@roger,
YEh , have to work on that, I think we could get a deal cut so wed just be done with him.
EEZY PEEZY ,
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BillRM
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:29 pm
@farmerman,
Sorry it seems not to work like that as for example Nixon pardon just stated he was pardon for any crime that might have occur between two given dates..

Quote:

https://watergate.info/1974/09/08/text-of-ford-pardon-proclamation.html


Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

FreedomEyeLove
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:36 pm
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Pardon Trump


Pardon him for what exactly?

Russiagate was a PROVEN hoax. A GIGANTIC waste of taxpayer dollars. Trump has proven himself to be one of the best and most patriotic presidents in recent memory.

You should be thanking president Trump that he doesn't deport you to one of the shithole countries that you seem to love so much more than America.

If you choose to live your life as a communist, please leave the normal people who aren't weirdos alone so that they may live in peace.
roger
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:48 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
Yeah, I bet he could do that. After all, he's bound to have a foreigner in the family tree - if you go back far enough.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:49 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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Pardon Trump


Pardon him for what exactly?

Russiagate was a PROVEN hoax. A GIGANTIC waste of taxpayer dollars. Trump has proven himself to be one of the best and most patriotic presidents in recent memory.

You should be thanking president Trump that he doesn't deport you to one of the shithole countries that you seem to love so much more than America.

If you choose to live your life as a communist, please leave the normal people who aren't weirdos alone so that they may live in peace.




Many examples of Trump using his power as president to enrich himself and family members is just one reason why the iron bars will be closing behind him.

Trying to get the UK to move large golfing events to courses that he own by having our ambassador lobbing the UK government on his behalf to do so.

That crime alone should be good for a few years.
BillRM
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:02 pm
@BillRM,
Trump crimes sample of


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https://www.citizensforethics.org/2000-trump-conflicts-of-interest-counting/

The president has visited his properties 362 times at taxpayer expense during his administration, sometimes visiting more than one of them in a single day. In 2019 alone, he has visited his properties 81 times, helping to further establish them as centers of political power. The number of days where President Trump has spent time at a Trump-branded property account for almost a third of the days he’s been president.
One-hundred eleven officials from 65 foreign governments, including 57 foreign countries, have made 137 visits to a Trump property, raising the question of how much foreign money has been spent at Trump’s properties.
Additionally, CREW has recorded 630 visits to Trump properties from at least 250 Trump administration officials. This includes high-level White House staff, members of Trump’s cabinet, and individual agency employees. So far this year, CREW has recorded 198 visits by White House officials. Ivanka Trump—who has an ownership interest in the Trump hotel in D.C.—and her husband Jared Kushner, both senior White House advisors, are the most frequent executive branch officials to visit Trump properties, other than the president himself. Jared has made 28 known visits, while Ivanka has made 23.
Members of Congress have flocked to President Trump’s properties, despite their constitutional oversight responsibility to provide a check on the executive branch as it relates to President Trump’s conflicts of interest. Throughout his two and a half years as president, 90 members of Congress have made 188 visits to a Trump property.
Forty-seven state officials, including 20 Republican governors, have made 64 visits to Trump properties, sometimes resulting in state taxpayer funds being spent there.
President Trump has used the presidency to provide free publicity for his properties, which he still profits from as president. Over the course of his presidency, Trump has tweeted about or mentioned one of his properties on 159 occasions, and White House officials have followed suit: Members of Trump’s White House have mentioned a Trump property 65 times, sometimes in the course of their official duties.
Political groups have hosted 63 events at Trump properties since President Trump took office, selling wealthy donors access to the administration while also enriching the president. Seventeen of these have been for Trump-linked groups, and another six have been hosted by groups linked to Vice President Mike Pence. Trump Victory, the joint fundraising arm of Trump’s 2020 election committee and the RNC, has hosted six events at Trump properties just this year, four of which were attended by the President himself. In all, the RNC and other Republican Party groups have had 28 events at Trump properties.
Twenty Trump administration officials have attended 38 political events at a Trump property, giving wealthy donors who fund spending at the president’s businesses access to top officials to discuss their pet issues while they enrich President Trump personally.
Political groups have spent $5.9 million at Trump properties since President Trump took office. So far this year, political groups have spent $1.1 million at Trump properties. In more than a decade prior to his run for president, Trump’s businesses never received more than $100,000 from political groups in a single year.
The Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. is the top beneficiary of this political spending. In just over two and a half years, the hotel has raked in $2.4 million in traceable political spending.
Foreign governments and foreign government-linked organizations have hosted 12 events at Trump properties since the president took office. These events have been attended by at least 19 administration officials.
by the numbers
farmerman
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:04 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
He will be tried because they have enoough evidence NOW to install a grand Jury in NY southern District. BRINGING CHARGES will be done in sevral bank fraud and mail fraud cases, Grand Larceny , and in the Presiential ranking he has the Deutsche Bank thingy to worry about, as well as the entire realm of emoluments . Hes a crook, we all knew hes been one for yers
The fact that he beat the impeachment was a foregone conclusion because his toady pal McConnell arranged that because there is no rule or order or even rule of law in an impeachmnt trial.

What do you do that makes you such a judgmental "patriot"> Take time to absorb what the Amendments of the Constitution offer us. One important item is rights of assembly and another is speech. You guys seem to want to rule what we say, with whom we say it to, who we may deem as citizens, who may vote, and who we may love and with whom we share intimacies.
Anyone like you whose calling another American a communist is at least laughable.
You seem to think that Freedoms should only be handed out to those who agree with you. Ill bet you flunked geography too.
Sturgis
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:10 pm
Trump would not take a pardon for his Federal offenses...or any other offenses (state and local). He has repeatedly said that he hasn't done anything wrong. With that sort of thinking, he is not likely to take a pardon, as that would be tantamount to admitting wrong doing.
roger
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:18 pm
@Sturgis,
Even a nonspecific pardon like "any and all".
farmerman
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:19 pm
@Sturgis,
how bout doing a Spiro "Gyro"
Sturgis
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:28 pm
@roger,
Again roger, DonDon believes he has done no wrong. If he took the bait of a blanket pardon, in his warped mind, he would be telling a lie and even worse, letting down his loyal customers. I mean followers.
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CalamityJane
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:31 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
FreedomEyeLove wrote:

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Pardon him for what exactly?

Russiagate was a PROVEN hoax. A GIGANTIC waste of taxpayer dollars. Trump has proven himself to be one of the best and most patriotic presidents in recent memory.

You should be thanking president Trump that he doesn't deport you to one of the shithole countries that you seem to love so much more than America.

If you choose to live your life as a communist, please leave the normal people who aren't weirdos alone so that they may live in peace.


That's what sitting in your mother's basement gets you - a view of the bottom barrel. You need to open a window once in a while, son. And please watch at least sometimes something else than Fox News - a broader horizon hasn't hurt anyone yet.
Sturgis
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:34 pm
@farmerman,
I sense this is a reference to old Mr. Agnew.

At any rate, the mention of gyro, has my mouth, stomach and intestines , along with my esophagus craving a gyro now. Pork or chicken or maybe beef....


Heck, give me all three... and extra tzatziki sauce (it's oddly addicting).
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BillRM
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:34 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/politics/fraud-suit-trump-family-company/index.html

New York (CNN)A federal judge on Monday allowed a federal lawsuit accusing President Donald Trump, his three eldest children and his company of collaborating with a fraudulent marketing scheme to prey on investors to proceed.

The lawsuit, originally filed in October 2018 and amended a few months later, alleges that in exchange for "secret" payments, Trump and three of his adult children used his former reality TV show "The Celebrity Apprentice" and other promotional events as vehicles to boost ACN Opportunity, a telecommunications marketing company linked to a nonprofit that used Trump's brand to appeal to teens.
The lawsuit also accuses the Trumps of having profited off the poor and vulnerable, as people looking "to enrich themselves by systematically defrauding economically marginalized people looking to invest in their educations, start their own small business, and pursue the American dream."
At the highest levels of the judiciary, judges spar over Trump's legal powers
At the highest levels of the judiciary, judges spar over Trump's legal powers
"Weighing the two 'most critical' factors -- likelihood of success on the merits and irreparable harm -- against each other, any prejudice that Defendants and ACN may suffer from proceeding with the litigation during the pendency of the appeal does not outweigh the strong likelihood that Defendants and ACN will not succeed on appeal," US District Court Judge Lorna Schofield wrote in her opinion.
The Trumps plan to bring the ruling to an appeals court.
A lawyer for the Trumps, Joanna Hendon, said, "We intend to promptly move the 2nd Circuit for a stay pending appeal."
Four anonymous plaintiffs brought the suit, including what court papers describe as a hospice caregiver, a self-employed man who was once homeless and a food delivery driver.
The Trumps "deliberately misled" consumers about the likely success of their investments, the suit claims, and engaged in "a pattern of racketeering activity."
The suit is being funded by the nonprofit Tesseract Research Center, which has ties to Democratic candidates, CNN has reported.
This story has been updated with a statement from the Trumps' attorney.

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BillRM
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:40 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Trump would not take a pardon for his Federal offenses...or any other offenses (state and local). He has repeatedly said that he hasn't done anything wrong. With that sort of thinking, he is not likely to take a pardon, as that would be tantamount to admitting wrong doing.


Given that he had broken all kind of records for lying into the many thousands why would you give him any credit for his statements.

Now once his lawyers tell him that he is facing a possible prison sentence longer then his likely remaining lifespan tell me again that he would not take a pardon in a heart beat.
Sturgis
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2020 10:46 pm
@BillRM,
Look, neither of us has any idea what the lawyers told him. Those are private and privileged conversations.

If Trump believes himself innocent, then why would he accept a pardon?

Don't bother attempting an answer.
 

 
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