Pardon Trump from all charges if he just leaves??

@CalamityJane,

hi clamity

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@FreedomEyeLove,

duplicate

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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Russiagate was a PROVEN hoax.

Yeah — PROVEN WRONG.

Senate report describes closer ties between 2016 Trump campaign, Russia

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the report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin — including a longstanding associate of the onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom the report identified as a “Russian intelligence officer.”

The Senate report was the first time the government has identified Mr. Kilimnik as an intelligence officer — Mr. Mueller’s report had labeled him as someone with ties to Russian intelligence. Most of the details about his intelligence background were blacked out in the Senate report.

Mr. Manafort’s willingness to share information with Mr. Kilimnik and others affiliated with the Russian intelligence services “represented a grave counterintelligence threat,” the report said.

It also included a potentially explosive detail: that investigators had uncovered information possibly tying Mr. Kilimnik to Russia’s major election interference operations, conducted by the intelligence service known as the G.R.U.

Democrats highlighted Mr. Kilimnik’s potential ties to the interference operations in their own appendix to the report, noting that Mr. Manafort discussed campaign strategy and shared internal campaign polling data with the Russian and later lied to federal investigators about his actions.

“This is what collusion looks like,” Democrats wrote.

source

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@BillRM,

Hmm how interesting to get four or five votes down in posts that for example contain nothing but in one case the wordings of the Nixon pardon in order to prove a point of law.

Who are these people and who are they working for an what do they think they are gaining?

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis wrote:

Look, neither of us has any idea what the lawyers told him. Those are private and privileged conversations.

If Trump believes himself innocent, then why would he accept a pardon?

Don't bother attempting an answer.

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Trump is indeed stupid but not that stupid not to know he is guilty of all manner of crimes both Federal and states and that the likelihood of him being found guilty of any numbers of them approach a hundred percents if and when he is facing juries in court rooms.

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I believe Biden should pardon Trump. Why not? Close this awful chapter and move on.

In 10 years, both Biden and Trump will be dead. There is no downside.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I believe Biden should pardon Trump. Why not? Close this awful chapter and move on.

In 10 years, both Biden and Trump will be dead. There is no downside.

No downside except for the rule of law and a Federal pardon if granted would not stop all the states DAs from filing charges in any case.

My guess is Trump will issue a pardon to himself in any case.

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@BillRM,

I see your point Bill...

However I just want to get this sorry chapter of our history over with. We have enough things to deal with. I want Trump to disappear into history so we can move on to more important things.

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@maxdancona,

Watergate isn’t over, it gets a mention every time something peculiar comes up.

If Nixon had not been pardoned while his functionaries were prosecuted Trump may not have been quite so brazenly corrupt.

The pardoning Of Nixon was an assault on democracy which enabled Trump. Any pardoning of Trump will allow the next wannabe dictator to do whatever they want.

You’ve been arguing in favour of Trump all along.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I see your point Bill...

However I just want to get this sorry chapter of our history over with. We have enough things to deal with. I want Trump to disappear into history so we can move on to more important things.

We had been shown faults in our government system that need to be deal with before another Trump this one perhaps with some intellect behind him come onto the scene.

Sweeping the matter under the rugs is just going to leave an open door to the next Trump that will likely to come along.

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@farmerman,

I think the degree of corruption in this administration is so widespread and so serious that to ignore it would be a bigger blow to the country than prosecuting it. I don't think saying "if you just go quietly like you're supposed to, we will ignore all that conspiracy against the US, personal enrichment, civil rights violations, etc. stuff."

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@engineer,

I really think that both sides are not in great negotiating positions. Trump could win. Then we are stuck with Dr Evil for another 4 years in which you KNOW he wil try to turn us toward national socialism, anywy ALL negotiations and agreements have to have consequences for NOT abiding.

Nixon became mostly a joke to all in US except the few who saw him as "tan, Rested, and Ready" to come back and begin anew. The pardon could be a mixed "Nolo contendre" and not a complete "forgiveness in order to move on"

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@izzythepush,

ya wanna see something that not over, think CIVIL WAR. Nixon is taught about in history classes in public schools

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I think he'd buy it. I suggest we float this by him and if he agrees, that will make the entire election thingy a mere formality. Trump wants SO MUCH OUT TO BE. He looks rehearsed in his casualness , and just flat run-over. Even his speeches are waay more tepid and lifeless.

Good idea.

He deserves prison time for what he has done to our Republic. Actually, he deserves eternity in Hell for what he has done to our Republic.

But prosecuting presidents after they leave office does have a Banana Republic feel to it...and the justice of the act might be more harmful than simply getting rid of the guy.

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@Frank Apisa,

we agree, although we have to sort through all these options an consequences.
Its a real Crypt of Horror story, complete with our own krypt keeper

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@hightor,

I love how you use demonstrably PROVEN propaganda outlets as your "sources".

Journalist Bari Weiss skewers New York Times in her resignation letter

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2020-07-14/bari-weiss-new-york-times-resignation

Gee, I wonder if the NY Times would report accurately about pres Trump... it's a real Scooby-Doo mystery! Perhaps we should also look to the KKK newsletter to get accurate reporting on Black lives matter?

Good lord you're a maroon.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

farmerman wrote:

I think he'd buy it. I suggest we float this by him and if he agrees, that will make the entire election thingy a mere formality. Trump wants SO MUCH OUT TO BE. He looks rehearsed in his casualness , and just flat run-over. Even his speeches are waay more tepid and lifeless.

Good idea.

He deserves prison time for what he has done to our Republic. Actually, he deserves eternity in Hell for what he has done to our Republic.

But prosecuting presidents after they leave office does have a Banana Republic feel to it...and the justice of the act might be more harmful than simply getting rid of the guy.

Trump had done his very best to turn this nation into a banana republic so it seem more then fair to try him for his misdeeds.

Next no one person control all 50 states DAs and he had done his best to be guilty of crimes in a large number of them

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

we agree, although we have to sort through all these options an consequences.
Its a real Crypt of Horror story, complete with our own krypt keeper

In my opinion, THE most disgusting thing ever to happen to the Republic, with the possible exception of the Civil War.

How anyone who holds any affection for America could possibly continue support for that disgusting blight, Trump, is beyond me.

Always liked the CryptKeeper comics! Great artwork.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

farmerman wrote:

I think he'd buy it. I suggest we float this by him and if he agrees, that will make the entire election thingy a mere formality. Trump wants SO MUCH OUT TO BE. He looks rehearsed in his casualness , and just flat run-over. Even his speeches are waay more tepid and lifeless.

Good idea.

He deserves prison time for what he has done to our Republic. Actually, he deserves eternity in Hell for what he has done to our Republic.

But prosecuting presidents after they leave office does have a Banana Republic feel to it...and the justice of the act might be more harmful than simply getting rid of the guy.

Trump had done his very best to turn this nation into a banana republic so it seem more then fair to try him for his misdeeds.

Next no one person control all 50 states DAs and he had done his best to be guilty of crimes in a large number of them

Yup. And one of those state DA's will make attempts to put him away. I doubt the federal people will do so...unless Biden chooses Hillary Clinton for his Attorney General.

Wow...the thought of that gives me a boner.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

farmerman wrote:

Good idea.

He deserves prison time for what he has done to our Republic. Actually, he deserves eternity in Hell for what he has done to our Republic.

But prosecuting presidents after they leave office does have a Banana Republic feel to it...and the justice of the act might be more harmful than simply getting rid of the guy.

That's been weighing on my mind as well. Listening to Michael Flynn lead chants of lock her up was distressing. I'm in a quandary about what to do with Trump, he certainly deserves to be prosecuted for his outrageous betrayal of the office. But then what? The idea of an American president sent to prison is deeply unsettling for me...are we really going to start putting people in prison instead of voting them out of office? Then I remember his treason sized crimes and outrageous abuses the likes of which this country has never seen. Frankly, I wish he would just go away but that's not going to happen. The citizens of this country better take a long hard look at ourselves and figure out how it came to this. We placed a self-promoting fabulist who glories in chaos in the Oval Office...actually more likely plopped on a bed watching TV trying to see how many times he is spoken about in glowing terms.

Now we are rudderless in the middle of a Pandemic. We all gasped when the death toll crept toward 70,000 but now that it is 172,000 I think we are just numb. Trump finds this all very boring...it's not what he likes to do..he likes to brag about the Stockmarket and what a financial wizard he is. It's malevolent, and shame on everyone who allowed this clown into the peoples house.

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