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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
Chrissee
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:12 pm
Asked and answered.


I know you don't have the chutzpah to be a PI or criminal defense attorney.

You certainly aren't a family lawyer with your misogynistic attitude. So I am guessing you might do real estate and/or wills, trusts, estates assuming you really are a lawyer.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:17 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Asked and answered.


I know you don't have the chutzpah to be a PI or criminal defense attorney.

You certainly aren't a family lawyer with your misogynistic attitude. So I am guessing you might do real estate and/or wills, trusts, estates assuming you really are a lawyer.


Following graduation from law school, I attended post graduate studies and obtained a LL.M in Taxation the following year. Since then I have had a general practice (lots of criminal - both defense and prosecution, lots of domestic (family law), probate (yes, wills, trusts & estates), and civil (some RE, no PI)) and have done a lot of trial work ... and very little tax work. Nowadays, my work is mainly transactional (drafting contracts and other documents, and advising clients) and I get to court more infrequently.

Now, please explain your "misogynistic" comment, because it's off the wall.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:22 pm
I just feel that you are a bit misogynistic. Maybe it is the appalling avatar.

Why haven't you ever settled on a specialty?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:29 pm
Chrissee wrote:
I just feel that you are a bit misogynistic. Maybe it is the appalling avatar.


You must be blaming me for the sins of my avatar. Some people really get angry at my avatar.

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Why haven't you ever settled on a specialty?


Most lawyers still don't emphasize a particular area of law. There is a trend towards emphasizing one area (can't ethically call yourself a "specialist" unless you are a Patent Attorney or Admiralty Lawyer), but I know few that have limited themselves that way.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:40 pm
Tico said:

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No .. you made the claim, you ought to substantiate it.


No, I don't 'ought' to substantiate it. And as you said above in a comment to Chrissie, "I don't care."
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:43 pm
Well, don't be surprised if people get upset at your Avatar. Individuals like Chrissee and myself have to deal with this unbelievable idiot currently in the Governor's mansion everyday, and he doesn't have a CLUE as to what he's doing. Which obviously explains his bottom dwelling poll numbers.

But now, back on subject:

Quote:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/images/2005/07/21/Harwood_Rove.jpg
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:49 pm
Well, Larry Johnson doesn't help explain whether she is a "covert agent" under Sec. 426, does he? He says she was "undercover," which doesn't tell us anything about whether she was a "covert agent" at the time of the disclosure. In short, he adds nothing to the analysis.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 10:49 pm
sumac wrote:
Tico said:

Quote:
No .. you made the claim, you ought to substantiate it.


No, I don't 'ought' to substantiate it. And as you said above in a comment to Chrissie, "I don't care."


[Translation: "I couldn't find anything ... so now, I don't care."]
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 11:24 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Well, Larry Johnson doesn't help explain whether she is a "covert agent" under Sec. 426, does he? He says she was "undercover," which doesn't tell us anything about whether she was a "covert agent" at the time of the disclosure. In short, he adds nothing to the analysis.

Yes, all those damned CIA agents with all that inside expertise who add "nothing" to the analysis. How dare they voice their expert opinions over the supreme all-knowing posts on these threads.

Next time, I'll defer to Ken Mehlman and Scott McClellan for any expert analysis regarding this... Rolling Eyes
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 11:30 pm
Am I following this correctly? Plame is to be considered covert because she was in the CIA, yet under the law, she can not be defined as such?

"Rove broke the law because I want him to have!"
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 11:36 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Well, Larry Johnson doesn't help explain whether she is a "covert agent" under Sec. 426, does he? He says she was "undercover," which doesn't tell us anything about whether she was a "covert agent" at the time of the disclosure. In short, he adds nothing to the analysis.

Yes, all those damned CIA agents with all that inside expertise who add "nothing" to the analysis. How dare they voice their expert opinions over the supreme all-knowing posts on these threads.

Next time, I'll defer to Ken Mehlman and Scott McClellan for any expert analysis regarding this... Rolling Eyes


Johnson voiced his opinion that Plame was "undercover." Is that even being questioned? Are you suggesting being undercover equates to being a "covert agent"? If so, please explain.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 11:37 pm
sumac wrote:
Tico said:

Quote:
No .. you made the claim, you ought to substantiate it.


No, I don't 'ought' to substantiate it. And as you said above in a comment to Chrissie, "I don't care."


Are you sure it wasn't my avatar you thought was being insulting?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 11:53 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Well, Larry Johnson doesn't help explain whether she is a "covert agent" under Sec. 426, does he? He says she was "undercover," which doesn't tell us anything about whether she was a "covert agent" at the time of the disclosure. In short, he adds nothing to the analysis.

Yes, all those damned CIA agents with all that inside expertise who add "nothing" to the analysis. How dare they voice their expert opinions over the supreme all-knowing posts on these threads.

Next time, I'll defer to Ken Mehlman and Scott McClellan for any expert analysis regarding this... Rolling Eyes


Johnson voiced his opinion that Plame was "undercover." Is that even being questioned? Are you suggesting being undercover equates to being a "covert agent"? If so, please explain.

The bigger picture here is certainly MUCH more relevant than defining the difference between "undercover" and "covert." Regardless, the Bush administration has lied so often that their spin is coming back to haunt them:

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8673342/

Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has been reviewing over the past several months discrepancies and gaps in witness testimony in his investigation of the unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame, according to lawyers in the case and witness statements.

Fitzgerald has spent considerable time since the summer of 2004 looking at possible conflicts between what White House senior adviser Karl Rove and vice presidential staff chief I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby told a grand jury and investigators, and the accounts of reporters who talked with the two men, according to various sources in the case.

Libby has testified that he learned about Plame from NBC correspondent Tim Russert, according to a source who spoke with The Washington Post some months ago. Russert said in a statement last year that he told the prosecutor that "he did not know Ms. Plame's name or that she was a CIA operative" and that he did not provide such information to Libby in July 2003.


Oh, the lies, they just keep on comin'... Rolling Eyes
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 01:26 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Well, Larry Johnson doesn't help explain whether she is a "covert agent" under Sec. 426, does he? He says she was "undercover," which doesn't tell us anything about whether she was a "covert agent" at the time of the disclosure. In short, he adds nothing to the analysis.


You need to stick a fork in the ass of your fetish about Plame's status and turn it over, it's done. The Federal Judiciary has already decided in two separate rulings that it considers her status to have been covert under the appropriate statutes at the time Novak outed her.

It is not yours, mine, Larry Johnson's, or even Special Counsel Fitzgerald's decision in this matter, the courts have decided Plame was covert based upon what Fitzgerald's open and ex parte presentations provided to Judge Hogan and the appeals committee.

Crimminy, when you threw down the Appellate Court ruling as your supporting evidence you didn't even take the time to read it thoroughly and learn about Fitzgerald's ex parte presentation to Judge Hogan. But it was described in each Appellate Court ruling as providing basic information for presumption that criminal activity had occurred, and was mentioned as an important feature of the appeal in the amicus brief by Toensiling.

The court rejected the argument that Plame was not covert. Go back and read the pertinent passages on this, not just the ones you posted.

You are claiming that regardless of the assessment by four Appellate Court judges of Fitzgerald's open court and ex parte presentations that show the presumption of criminal activity and a priori demands the state of Plame's status as covert, you remain unconvinced.

It is as if you are demanding evidence on whether a dead body before you actually had lived prior to investigating who murdered it.

I can appreciate that in the course of one's obligations as an attorney one may be required to argue a premise that one knows runs counter to the facts in order to provide the best legal advice possible to win a case, but that level of double-think is not one ought to have on display as a badge of honor outside a courtroom.

Those of us, let's say more classically trained to be objective consider facts more important than winning an argument and find such double-think just repugnant bull$hit.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 01:44 am
sumac, I think you are being a tad harsh about projection of ticomaya's avatar.

after all, mine is a simple pix of a kuvasz; brave, bold, and inquisitive, while his is, well, um, a caricature of a hyperthyroid case sucking on a penis substitute.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 04:53 am
Are some folk here appearing to be obtuse on purpose? Is this discussion mere fodder for intellectual exercise and play for some?

I'm looking for plausible explanations for stupid postings.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 04:54 am
sumac wrote:
Are some folk here appearing to be obtuse on purpose? Is this discussion mere fodder for intellectual exercise and play for some?

I'm looking for plausible explanations for stupid postings.


I think perhaps they might be little breaks to lower the tension.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 05:01 am
You are too generous, goodfielder.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 05:10 am
Question...
If revealing the name of a CIA officer is illegal,did the A&E network commit a crime last night?

They ran a show about Osama Bin Laden,and they interviewed,named,and showed pictures of the former CIA chief of station in Pakistan.
Now,did they commit a crime?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 05:44 am
We don't iknow if the CIA man's status in the TV show was covert, undercover, or anything at all.

It seems to me that if he wants to own up in an interview that he was in the CIA, the network certainly is not in trouble.

The important point of this case seems to be that courts have ruled Valerie Wilson's status was covert.
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