Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

All this 'new' information coming out about Rove's lies and this administration's deceit about Iraq's WMDs and yellowcake from Africa should have the American People not only angry but demand the impeachment of this president and his administration. The implications are huge! We have lost over 1,800 soldiers and 200 billion in Iraq based on lies. Where's the anger?

It's always good when lies are exposed, right?

It's always good when lies are exposed, I mean unless it's Clinton's lies, right?

The point of both of today's news pieces is that the lies that were used to cover this crime up are coming unravelled. This is the best news that Americans have recieved in some time.

McG, Do you understand anything about lies that gets people killed and lies that are about a private sexual encounter? Prolly not.

McG, Do you understand anything about lies that gets people killed and lies that are about a private sexual encounter? Prolly not.

cicerone imposter wrote:

McG, Do you understand anything about lies that gets people killed and lies that are about a private sexual encounter? Prolly not.

So you are suggesting that there is a scale of lies? That some lies are somehow less than others and are therefore excusable?

Explain what you mean here C.I.

"bush administration chauvinists"?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The point of both of today's news pieces is that the lies that were used to cover this crime up are coming unravelled. This is the best news that Americans have recieved in some time.

You fail to see the irony here... I guess that's the thing about pitiful dunces, eh? Takes one to recognize another.

Sling your insults all you want.

It won't change the fact that Clinton STILL totally owns your Soul, McG.

When the indictments start coming in, I'm going to start posting pieces about Clinton a lot again; just to piss you off...

There is no irony here. Knowledge of a lie allows the country to heal itself by taking action to correct the problem, i.e., start voting your party full of lying, cheating, low-down dirty bastards out of office.

Cheers!

Cycloptichorn

Thursday, July 21, 2005


Father Tim And The Leak

Two top White House aides have given accounts to the special prosecutor about how reporters told them the identity of a CIA agent that are at odds with what the reporters have said, according to persons familiar with the case.

Lewis "Scooter'' Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald that he first learned from NBC News reporter Tim Russert of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, the wife of former ambassador and Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson. Russert has testified before a federal grand jury that he didn't tell Libby of Plame'sidentity.

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told Fitzgerald that he first learned the identity of the CIA agent from syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who was first to report Plame's name and connection to Wilson. Novak, according to a source familiar with the matter, has given a somewhat different version to the special prosecutor.



If this is true, the wingnuts are going to have to call Father Tim and poor old Bob Novak liars. I have no doubt they will do it if they have to. But this game gets more and more dangerous for them every day.

And the thing about Libby is just delicious. WTF, did Scooter just blurt out Tim Russert's name without thinking? If he lied about the Monsignor he was making a grave error. There aren't many media figures in Washington who are viewed with any reverence anymore, but he's one of them, as sad a comment as that is. It's a fatal error to get into a he said/she said with a guy like him --- if there's a trial, he's the guy who will be believed.

Oh what a hissy fit these allegedly slick operators had over this one piece of criticism. Anyone with any sense would have known this was just the beginning, as it was becoming obvious that there were no WMD to be found. If they'd have kept their poweder dry for a few days they probably could have come up with a better explanation, but they lost their heads, just like always do under pressure. There really could not have been a worse crew in charge after 9/11. This little episode, in microcosm, is why we are in Iraq today, throwing billions of dollars down the tube, losing our credibility by the boatload and seeing thousands of people die for with no end in sight. No grace under pressure.


Needless to say, this could also be bullshit. William Safire once famously claimed Hillary Clinton was going to be indicted. Rove (or a person who "has been briefed on the matter") already revealed that he learned Plame's name from Novak and then said "Oh I heard that too" or "Oh, you've heard about that?" depending on who's telling the story. We've all been under the impression that Novak agreed that Rove confirmed the story, but maybe he didn't. Or maybe there is some convoluted way in which his behavior can be explained as both learning about it and confirming it at the same time. There's obviously more to this story than we know --- perhaps Fitzgerald is putting together a bigger case than just perjury. Or maybe, as I said, this is bullshit.

But this is getting fun.



Update: According to the NY Times, friends of Rove and Libby are trying to make the case that the two were not trying to out Plame or discredit Wilson --- they were working together on Tenent's statement with Stephen Hadley. It's hard for me to see how this helps them --- it suggest coordination if not conspiracy.

There is one interesting little tid-bit, however: they say Ari testified that he never say the memo on AF One. We've certainly heard otherwise, so Ari may be in a little bit of a pickle too.

All this leaking is looking more and more like internecine fighting among the "subjects." This could get ugly.



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