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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:43 pm
McG:

As said before there was no written report. That is well stated in the article I posted. So are the basic circumstances of his trip and findings. You might just want to read it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:47 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Did he actually ever submit a report? Does anyone have a link to it?


pngirouard posted it. It was called "What I Didn't Find in Africa," and was published on Sunday, July 6, 2003, in the New York Times. I suppose the CIA got their money's worth.


No, I mean the actual report on what he found or didn't find in Niger. The one Cheney was supposed to have read.


As I said .... it was posted in the NY Times. That constitutes his "report."

He's sent on a trip by the CIA ... he reports his findings in the Times. Nice.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:53 pm
Hello JW.

No in fact I did read the report as it was published. And nowhere can your handy conclusion can be found according to my memory. But since memory is a faculty that tends to forget, why don't you read it and tell me where it stated without any doubt that Bush volunteered for anything else than his guard duties.

Here's the link according to my own files:

http://www.rathergate.com/CBS_report.pdf

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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:54 pm
By the way JW:

The Rathergate report wasn't about GWB. It was about the reporting of Rather and CBS. Just a hint.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:58 pm
Tico:

Your last comment is disingenuous and that's just being polite.

He was fully debriefed by the CIA. It is far from uncommon in the mandate given. He also provided all his notes and papers and the article he wrote was 5 months after his fact finding and investigative mission.

A little bit of intellectual honesty would appropriate.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:00 pm
I see McG is trotting out his usual crap...

There was no report by Wilson to the VP. No one ever said he was to do such a report for the VP.

Wilson was debriefed after his trip. Those that debriefed him wrote the report. Sections of it are to be found in the Congressional investigation.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:01 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Hello JW.

No in fact I did read the report as it was published. And nowhere can your handy conclusion can be found according to my memory. But since memory is a faculty that tends to forget, why don't you read it and tell me where it stated without any doubt that Bush volunteered for anything else than his guard duties.

Here's the link according to my own files:

http://www.rathergate.com/CBS_report.pdf

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Look at the top of p. 130, like JW had indicated.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:02 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Tico:

Your last comment is disingenuous and that's just being polite.

He was fully debriefed by the CIA. It is far from uncommon in the mandate given. He also provided all his notes and papers and the article he wrote was 5 months after his fact finding and investigative mission.

A little bit of intellectual honesty would appropriate.


Just jesting .... :wink:
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:12 pm
Sorry JW, but it doesn't support your claim. In fact nothing in the report does. The conclusions don't even touch your claim. Anyhow, the rathergate report isn't about Bush. And Bush remains to this day mute and has never since his gubernorial campaigns repeated that he would have served in Vietnam if called upon.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:13 pm
For sure I won't be voting for him in '08, then.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:14 pm
Not much talk about rove indangering national sucurity during a time of war.Wilson was right.Bush was wrong.thats why rove burned his wifes identity. Who knows what use she could have been in the future.Your arguments are failing everywhere ecept to eachother
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:16 pm
Sorry last posting was for Tico and not directly JW
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:18 pm
Hello amigo.

In fact there are quite a few posts referring to the Bush administration endangering the national security. But it seems Bush has reneged on his pledge to fire anyone involved in the leak. Not the first time his word has stood shallow.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:23 pm
JW:

If it is of any help, Bush retires in 08. Let him build his library (quite a joke for a guy who admits reading little including comics). But the criminal gang such Abrams, Poindexter and others seem to always live in the next administration when their party takes office. We are talking of convicted felons. Watergate style.

Bush might just pardon Rove by then as Bush senior pardonned Abrams.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:40 pm
Pngirouard, its gonna take a while for the right to come up with new bullshit to stack on the old bullshit.They dont know what to do yet this is a biggie.Rove got fired for this before while working for Bush Sr.Now hes done it agian.Novak was involved then to
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:43 pm
Do you think this could be as big as watergate.Its as serious
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:44 pm
Amigo:

Welcome to A2K.

It isn't about which side does what. The matter of the Rovegate is about democracy, decency and accountability. Bush and his administration are accountable yet flee accountability the moment the word is utter.

I am glad Saddam is gone. I personally spent quite a lot of time in Iraq and saw how ruthless Saddam was.

Yet if Bush wanted Saddam deposed, he just needed to say so rather than forge or exploit forge documents or circumstances to go to war. As a person I have the right to vote. That means I have the right to make a decisions based of facts, on evidence, not flimsy stories "à la Bush".

Bush and the current administration are undermining without a doubt the underlying principles of our country with their blindsided power drunkenness. Rove is only but the top of the iceberg.

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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:55 pm
I don't mean use the word "side"in that way.Only to comunicate through this damn keybord easier.I think we agree on alot of the same information
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 04:41 pm
Mike McCurry, Clinton's press secretary, doesn't know what all the hoopla is about either.

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A Little Sympathy for Scott McClellan

I know Democratic partisans are not supposed to get weepy watching the Bush team wilt under the hot lights of Plamegate, but allow me a little sympathy for Scott McClellan who gets sent out to roast every day from the hot breath of the White House press corps.

Been there, done that I would say. I was the press corps pinata for President Clinton during four zesty years that included l'affaire Monique. Sometimes it is the chosen assignment of the White House Press Secretary to go out and get whacked, over and over, to see if anything interesting will spill out.

Press secretaries suck it up and suck it in because sometimes the brief you are given to argue is pretty slim goings. I am familiar with the answer "we may not comment on that matter because it is the subject of an ongoing investigation." It happens to be the right answer when people face legal jeopardy and might go to jail. Or when there is a determined assault on the principle of executive privilege (not to mention attorney-client privilege) as we faced during the Clinton years at the hands of Judge Ken Starr.

I don't pretend to know much about Karl Rove's conversations or the machinations of the determined prosecutor this time around, Mr. Fitzgerald.

But it does seem to me that there must be something more to this than the conversation reported between Matt Cooper of Time and Rove. Rove was making a late week heads up call to the White House news magazine reporter and, believe me, that is not the time or place to dish major strategy. A two-minute call such as the one now reported is basically to get the signals straight -- green, yellow, red. Rove seems to have been telling Cooper that the yellowcake story was a flashing yellow and he needed to be cautious.

Unless conversations go well beyond what has been reported, there has to be some other explanation for the zeal with which this investigation is being pursued. Something consequential must have happened because of this leak that we have not yet read about. That's about all I can imagine, because otherwise the whole thing -- leak, story, investigation -- seems a little disproportionate. Maybe a major intelligence operation got botched. Or someone took a real hit somewhere in the world as a result.

We should keep our lasers focused on the real issues, not the summer theater in the White House press room. Why was there so much spin in and around the arguments about going to war, arguments that need to be (must be) solemn and deep? Why aren't we pressing the hard questions about the conduct of the war that's underway?

And another reminder: White House press secretaries and deputy chiefs of staff are hired hands. We serve only because it suits the President at that moment. In the end, questions about war and peace, questions about motive and action have to be answered by the President because he is the one who we elected. He is, as Harry Truman ruefully noted, the one who ultimately faces the heat in the kitchen. Maybe that is why President Bush, for the moment, seems to be biting his tongue too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/mike-mccurry/a-little-sympathy-for-sco_4171.html
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 04:45 pm
I don't really blame McClellan, either. He's just following orders. His only other option, besides playing the role of sacrificial lamb, would be to quit.
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