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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:45 pm
Hello parados.

I wouldn't give much thought about Tico's credential argument. Fact of the matter is that he was hired by the CIA. Fact of the matter is that his findings as now proved time and time again, were also right (which basically is still a torn on the Bush side given their insistence that Saddam had an active nuclear program).

The WH tried to shove under the rug what they knew were facts in favour of forgeries they knew were so. And in order to support to spurious argument decided as any good con people would to attack the credibility of others while tier's was more than tainted. End of story and the end of close to 1800 American lives on a false pretence.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:50 pm
Did he actually ever submit a report? Does anyone have a link to it?
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:58 pm
Let's go to the right side of the press, compliments of Bloomberg:

Wilson's Iraq Assertions Hold Up Under Fire From Rove Backers


Excerpts:

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July 14 (Bloomberg) -- Two-year old assertions by former ambassador Joseph Wilson regarding Iraq and uranium, which lie at the heart of the controversy over who at the White House identified a covert U.S. operative, have held up in the face of attacks by supporters of presidential adviser Karl Rove.

The main points of Wilson's article have largely been substantiated by a Senate committee as well as U.S. and United Nations weapons inspectors. A day after Wilson's piece was published, the White House acknowledged that a claim Bush made in his January 2003 state of the union address that Iraq tried to buy "significant quantities of uranium from Africa"' could not be verified and shouldn't have been included in the speech.

Republicans are attempting to defend Rove by discrediting Wilson, saying the former ambassador misled the public about why he was sent to Niger and what he found there.

Bush supporters such as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich contend that Wilson lied in claiming that Vice President Dick Cheney dispatched him on the mission to Niger. That echoes a Republican National Committee talking-points memo sent to party officials.

Wilson never said that Cheney sent him, only that the vice president's office had questions about an intelligence report that referred to the sale of uranium yellowcake to Iraq from Niger. Wilson, in his New York Times article, said CIA officials were informed of Cheney's questions.

"The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office," Wilson wrote.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a8dab8rni_Do&refer=us
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:02 pm
Here's a nice capsule by Fact Check.

Fact Check/16 Words
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:07 pm
"AWOL" = Absent without leave. Yes, Bush was AWOL.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:07 pm
Hello McG.

There was actually no written report.

But your question raises the following need: let's revisit the article that got him and his wife all the flack they got:

Integral text:

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Published on Sunday, July 6, 2003 by the New York Times
What I Didn't Find in Africa
by Joseph C. Wilson 4th

[/b]


Joseph C. Wilson 4th, United States ambassador to Gabon from 1992 to 1995, is an international business consultant.

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:08 pm
The question is not whether Bush was AWOL, but if he was a "deserter."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:09 pm
On AWOL Bush. http://www.awolbush.com/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:15 pm
sozobe wrote:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1456199#1456199

The part I had in mind:

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Rove and other White House officials described to the FBI what sources characterized as an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere. Rove is said to have named at least six other administration officials who were involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.


Kuvasz' post is long, but has good stuff about the "substantive role" (or lack thereof), as well.


Not exactly an admission of an intent to smear. It appears to suggest that is how "sources" would characterize what was done.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:16 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Let's not play the game of the right here about Wilson's credential, ... He literally saved lives during Desert Storm as acting ambassador to Iraq ....


I understand that's where he "made his bones."
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:16 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Did he actually ever submit a report? Does anyone have a link to it?


pngirouard posted it. It was called "What I Didn't Find in Africa," and was published on Sunday, July 6, 2003, in the New York Times. I suppose the CIA got their money's worth.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:20 pm
Hello Cicerone.

While the awol story was much of an item, it was a useless one for Bush wasn't awol. He wasn't absent without leave or permission. It was worse: he used everything he knew to be hidden in plain site, at tax payer's expense. I say (and I served in Vietnam not as a draftee) that what he was: a political coward wanting some military service on his record but no exposure whatsoever to anything warlike. I guess his father must still to this day be ashamed of him given his personal military record although as any dad he would never admit it.

I would respect him more had he just did what most senior members in his administration did: deferment. Instead we paid quite a lot of money for him to become a pilot. And it was only but a waste of money for he made sure to never fly again and stay in hiding. Quite the expert con man at an early age. At the time he was called "Texas Soufflé". A lot of air. Too bad Texas had to be driven in this matter, they surely didn't deserve that.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:23 pm
Tico:

Not too sure exactly about the meaning of your inference.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:28 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Tico:

Not too sure exactly about the meaning of your inference.


Don't worry about it ... it's not important.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:29 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Hello Cicerone.

While the awol story was much of an item, it was a useless one for Bush wasn't awol. He wasn't absent without leave or permission. It was worse: he used everything he knew to be hidden in plain site, at tax payer's expense. I say (and I served in Vietnam not as a draftee) that what he was: a political coward wanting some military service on his record but no exposure whatsoever to anything warlike. I guess his father must still to this day be ashamed of him given his personal military record although as any dad he would never admit it.

I would respect him more had he just did what most senior members in his administration did: deferment. Instead we paid quite a lot of money for him to become a pilot. And it was only but a waste of money for he made sure to never fly again and stay in hiding. Quite the expert con man at an early age. At the time he was called "Texas Soufflé". A lot of air. Too bad Texas had to be driven in this matter, they surely didn't deserve that.


The Report of the Independent Review Panel, issued in response to the CBS 60 Minutes segment and investigating the forged documents used in that episode, sees it quite differently. On p.130 of that report, it clearly states that not only did President Bush volunteer for Vietnam, they have confirmed that Ms. Mapes had clear evidence of that information prior to airing the episode.

A lot of the other baloney you just recited is also debunked, but I've posted it so many times, I'm exhausted.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:30 pm
png: were you asking about the "bones" reference?
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:38 pm
Hello JW.

And in what capacity would have Bush volunteered given his absence of fitness report? Foot soldier? He couldn't fly! He never explained why he didn't show up (some argue he was probably too much on the party wagon given his colourful past but I wouldn't know or care).

Give me a break. Bush was bidding his time in hiding as many WASP were in America. If one thing came out of all the flack (and that is far beyond the CBS scandal) is that no one can account for him for a long period of time except for the political activities he then carried out and which are well documented.

He never volunteered for nothing or his volunteerism was that of a coward who knew damn well he would never be called.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:40 pm
So, I take it you didn't read the report.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:40 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Did he actually ever submit a report? Does anyone have a link to it?


pngirouard posted it. It was called "What I Didn't Find in Africa," and was published on Sunday, July 6, 2003, in the New York Times. I suppose the CIA got their money's worth.


No, I mean the actual report on what he found or didn't find in Niger. The one Cheney was supposed to have read.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:41 pm
Tico:


Just jesting:

Are we going to go to the Skull & Bones now?
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