parados wrote:Ticomaya wrote:
You have the law ... now tell me, what is the set of facts that apply to Valerie Plame that cause her to meet this definition of "covert agent"?
LOL Tico.. Your attempt at obfuscation is very transparent.
LOL parados. It's really a simple question. It's one thing to state the law, and an entirely different matter to apply the law to a set of facts. And there's no obfuscation in my requesting you do so.
Quote:The fact that she was a covert agent has been stipulated by all the parties involved.
Who has stipulated to this, and in what capacity?
Quote:There would be no reason for a recusal by Ashcroft if she was not a covert agent. Fitzgerald would have no reason to call a GJ if there she was not a covert agent. The WH would not have made their comments if not for that fact. You can sit here and claim that you have no evidence all you want. The evidence is there for all but the blind to see.
So -- unless you have something to provide me by way of your earlier comment about stipulated facts -- the evidence you have to support your contention that Ms. Plame fits within the definition of "covert agent" can best be summed up by the phrase: "Of course she's a covert agent"?
Quote:Plame worked for a CIA cover company. ( Brewster Jennings & Associates, which was subsequently acknowledged by the CIA as a front.) She was overseas. She worked in the Counterproliferation Division. All of those facts can be found in various statements by government, CIA and other sources.
That's better .. but I am looking for a link -- I've asked for that previously. In particular, I'm interested in the timeline of Ms. Plame's service for the Agency. Surely this has been put together to assuage such concerns of inquiring conservatives such as myself? Perhaps Dailykos or Salon has been working on one?
And another point (which admittedly might have no merit): Just because one works for a spy agency doesn't make one a spy. Indeed, civilians work on the Air Force Base here where I live, but that doesn't make them members of the Air Force. Civilian employees work for the Police Department, but that doesn't make them policemen. Former Sheriff Deputies retire and rejoin the force in a civilian role, but that doesn't make them law enforcement officers. The critical issue
vis a vis whether Ms. Plame's constitutes a "covert agent" is what her role was in the 5 year period leading up the the dissemination of the information.
Quote:Lets look at this in a reasonable fashion Tico. Based on the above 3 facts being true how is she not covered under the law as stated?
She may well fit the definition, parados. I'm just asking for it to be tied together. I don't buy the, "of course she's a covert agent" response, or the "why else would Fitzgerald be calling witnesses" line I get from Chrissee.