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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
Chrissee
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 01:33 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Blatham wrote:
That white house briefing where Scott got minced is really the first of its kind in five years. That is significant.




Laughing You hope and dream of the most dire implications........sorry to dash your hopes on the rocks of reality but the WH is about ready to announce the nomination of the OConnor replacement and this will all disappear in the following paparrazzi fish bowl examination of the nominee.


You wish. LOL
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 01:39 pm
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to notice that when the White House press corp finally takes the gloves off and doesn' t let up, it usually means that they will continue to not let up in the days ahead.

Karl is toast. I can't imagine any amount of spin from the righties could possibly help at this point.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 01:45 pm
Hi Tico.

You should check the great things that engine research can do for you rather than splitting hairs.

Brewster Jennings & Associates was a company set up by the United States CIA as a front for its operations. One of its former employees was CIA-analyst Valerie Plame who later had her cover blown by Robert Novak in an interview on CNN in which he stated "Wilson's wife, the CIA employee, gave $1,000 to Gore and she listed herself as an employee of Brewster-Jennings & Associates. There is no such firm, I'm convinced.", though it later turned out that BJ&A did exist for all intents and purposes, listed on the Dun & Bradstreet database of company names.

The group was intended to infiltrate ties between groups involved in smuggling nuclear weapons and the material to create them, to countries such as Israel and Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Jennings_&_Associates

At first glance, 101 Arch St. seems like the perfect setting for a spy story: an elegant office building downtown with an upscale restaurant, lots of foot traffic, and a subway entrance to stage a getaway.

"It's a great place to blend in," said Rob Griffin, regional president of Cushman & Wakefield Inc., the real estate firm.

The CIA may have thought so too. Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative once listed as her employer Brewster Jennings & Associates. A company by that name has a listed address but no visible presence at the 21-story office tower.

Plame's exposure as an intelligence operative has become a major controversy in Washington. Former intelligence officials confirmed Plame's cover was an invention and that she used other false identities and affiliations when working overseas. "All it was was a telephone and a post office box," said one former intelligence official who asked not to be identified. "When she was abroad she had a more viable cover."

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/10/apparent_cia_front_didnt_offer_much_cover/

And Novak's article:

Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030714.shtml


Anyhow your point is quite moot the same way as the debate about the Earth's flatness. Plame was a covert CIA operative as Bush has acknowledged a long time ago. He also promised to punish those that outed her. Lets see if his word is as good as his empty military record.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 01:54 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to notice that when the White House press corp finally takes the gloves off and doesn' t let up, it usually means that they will continue to not let up in the days ahead.

Karl is toast. I can't imagine any amount of spin from the righties could possibly help at this point.


Sharks patrol these waters, sharks patrol these waters.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 01:58 pm
Welcome to A2K pngirouard!

When posting, please be careful to avoid long links which may stretch the screen out. Scrolling left and right is annoying.

I would recommend using the 'post reply' button over the 'quick reply' button whenever long links are involved.

Other than that, Cheers

Cycloptichorn
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 02:04 pm
Hello Cyclop.

Thanks for the advice and greeting. Yet in neither preview mode or once posted did my posts extend the way you describe them. I needed never with either my posts or that of others to slide right and left.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 02:10 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
The bottom line is Karl Rove was discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise and the Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks.


Sounds about right.


Ticomaya,
Is there anything that the Bush white house could do that would make you question its integrity, or doubt its credulity?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 02:32 pm
pngirouard wrote:
Hi Tico.

You should check the great things that engine research can do for you rather than splitting hairs.


Hi pngirouard.

Sorry ... I get paid to split hairs. Call it a habit. It's what I do when I'm not trying to keep you libbies focused.

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Brewster Jennings & Associates was a company set up by the United States CIA as a front for its operations. One of its former employees was CIA-analyst Valerie Plame who later had her cover blown by Robert Novak in an interview on CNN in which he stated "Wilson's wife, the CIA employee, gave $1,000 to Gore and she listed herself as an employee of Brewster-Jennings & Associates. There is no such firm, I'm convinced.", though it later turned out that BJ&A did exist for all intents and purposes, listed on the Dun & Bradstreet database of company names.

The group was intended to infiltrate ties between groups involved in smuggling nuclear weapons and the material to create them, to countries such as Israel and Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Jennings_&_Associates


pngirouard: your link doesn't work for me. (It says: "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.") But in any event, rather than provide the answers to the questions I've asked, it merely states the conclusion that Ms. Plame "had her cover blown," which I find unhelpful in this context.

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At first glance, 101 Arch St. seems like the perfect setting for a spy story: an elegant office building downtown with an upscale restaurant, lots of foot traffic, and a subway entrance to stage a getaway.

"It's a great place to blend in," said Rob Griffin, regional president of Cushman & Wakefield Inc., the real estate firm.

The CIA may have thought so too. Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative once listed as her employer Brewster Jennings & Associates. A company by that name has a listed address but no visible presence at the 21-story office tower.

Plame's exposure as an intelligence operative has become a major controversy in Washington. Former intelligence officials confirmed Plame's cover was an invention and that she used other false identities and affiliations when working overseas. "All it was was a telephone and a post office box," said one former intelligence official who asked not to be identified. "When she was abroad she had a more viable cover."

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/10/apparent_cia_front_didnt_offer_much_cover/


See my above response.

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And Novak's article:

Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/printrn20030714.shtml


And what does that show us? Do you think the fact that Novak called her an "operative" makes her a "covert agent" as defined in § 426?

Quote:
Anyhow your point is quite moot the same way as the debate about the Earth's flatness. Plame was a covert CIA operative as Bush has acknowledged a long time ago. He also promised to punish those that outed her. Lets see if his word is as good as his empty military record.


You now take the approach that others before you have taken: Ms. Plame's status as a "covert agent" as defined in § 426 has been stipulated to. You, though, go so far as to name the stipulator as Bush. I've asked for additional information from the previous posters who made such a claim, so I trust you won't be too surprised when I ask you to provide a link to the support for your contention.

pngirouard wrote:
Hello Cyclop.

Thanks for the advice and greeting. Yet in neither preview mode or once posted did my posts extend the way you describe them. I needed never with either my posts or that of others to slide right and left.


They don't stretch my screen either. Cyclops must have a lower screen resolution than you or I.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 02:33 pm
snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
The bottom line is Karl Rove was discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise and the Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks.


Sounds about right.


Ticomaya,
Is there anything that the Bush white house could do that would make you question its integrity, or doubt its credulity?


Sure.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 03:13 pm
Hi Tico:

Whether you like it or not, Plame was an undercover operative and denying the obvious won't change that. From Bush down, that's an admitted fact. That's the reason behind all the fuss. The disclosure of a covert agent either still acting as such or not is not only a potential crime but it also damaging to the national security of America, something one would think you would find important. It also puts in jeopardy all the people related to the covert operations whether wittingly or not. And not least it lets other people and country know what we know, something even a casual person would understand. But apparently your eagerness to your man blinds you to all of that.

On the subject of Plame's job:

The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

After the name of the company (Brewster-Jennings & Associates) was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

The Justice Department began a formal criminal investigation of the leak Sept. 26.

The inadvertent disclosure of the name of a business affiliated with the CIA underscores the potential damage to the agency and its operatives caused by the leak of Plame's identity. Intelligence officials have said that once Plame's job as an undercover operative was revealed, other agency secrets could be unraveled and her sources might be compromised or endangered.

A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited their country and to reconstruct her activities.

"That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name," the former diplomat said.

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm
By Walter Pincus and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 4, 2003; Page A03

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 03:43 pm
snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
The bottom line is Karl Rove was discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise and the Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks.


Sounds about right.


Ticomaya,
Is there anything that the Bush white house could do that would make you question its integrity, or doubt its credulity?


snood! A pleasure to see you.

Tico is something of a player here with the aspirations, the adopted attitude and even the avatar of a striker, but he's a born goal-keeper.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 03:58 pm
blatham wrote:
Tico is something of a player here with the aspirations, the adopted attitude and even the avatar of a striker, but he's a born goal-keeper.


I'm a sweeper, Bernie. And I suggest you don't try and dribble the ball by me, because I tackle hard. :wink:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 04:06 pm
Interesting theory being kicked around on NRO, that Judith Miller could be the original source of the Plame info.

Link.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 04:15 pm
I also find it interesting that the Repubs on the Hill are having a large no comment day/week. I'm guessing they don't know what will be revealed from the "on-going" investigation and don't want to risk supporting Rove as they did Nixon and have the curtain come down on their heads as well as the WhiteHouse. For those of us that were around during the Nixon years we clearly remember that it was Goldwater going to the WhiteHouse and telling Nixon the party's over that finally ended the Nixon agenda. I rather think that again it will take a strong and honest Republican to end this Rove mess, Republicans and Democrats alike are far more into self-preservation than they are dedicated to Bush.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 04:42 pm
Right now Republicans in Congress are more concerned about their elections next year than saving Bush's behind. Things are getting interesting on many fronts...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 04:47 pm
the Bush domestic agenda, from social security reform to a energy policy is now gone, the remaining years/months will be too busy with damage control to focus on any domestic agenda. Iraq? Iran? N Korea? Palestine?
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 05:18 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
snood wrote:
Ticomaya,
Is there anything that the Bush white house could do that would make you question its integrity, or doubt its credulity?


Sure.


"question its integrity, or doubt its credibility", is what was intended, i think. anyway, would the dismissal of Karl Rove cause you to question or doubt the administration?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 05:54 pm
dyslexia wrote:
the Bush domestic agenda, from social security reform to a energy policy is now gone, the remaining years/months will be too busy with damage control to focus on any domestic agenda. Iraq? Iran? N Korea? Palestine?

It would seem that all Bush has is terrorism and his foreign policy of fear. I would bet he'll nurse the flames of an already scared electorate after 9/11 in some way or another.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 07:07 pm
pngirouard wrote:
The parallel made by DontTread is to the point as long as one remembers Hadelman.


btw, welcome to the monkey house, pngirouard. as you can see, the debate here is.., uhh.. lively at times. have fun !

you're right ! how could i forget our pal flat-top ? erlichman.. and good ol' gordo, convicted felon and a radio fave of right wing extremists everywhere.
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pngirouard
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2005 07:13 pm
Hello DontTreadOnMe

Being a former Abuzzer, this thread although lively is civil.
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