FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:01 pm
Yes, something like that. Except that the first group put out its ads before anyone had actually retired, but yeah.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:11 pm
Bush's approval rating jumped 2 points on Rasmussen after he defended Gonzales. I do think most Republicans who are following this hope he will not appoint Gonzales, but most also appreciate a President who publicly stands up for his friends in the face of unfair criticism from either side. And Bush was standing up specifically to those Republicans who are carping about Gonzales.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:20 pm
After O'Connor
President Bush owes his supporters a nominee in the Scalia-Thomas mold.
Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

Excerpt
Quote:
Justice O'Connor served 24 terms, and the average tenure for recent Justices is 19.5 years, or five Presidential terms, so the stakes are enormous. For liberals, the courts have become the preferred way to win policy victories now that Americans are consistently rejecting their agenda at the ballot box. Unlike Barbara Jordan and her colleagues 25 years ago, modern liberals are unlikely to be satisfied with a nominee who is a "good lawyer and believes in the Constitution."

But the only way to stop "borking" as a political strategy is to defy and defeat it. Mr. Bush told voters in 2000 and 2004 that he would nominate Justices in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. He owes it to the country, and his most loyal supporters, to keep that promise.


When President Reagan nominated Sandra Day O'Connor for the Supreme Court in 1981, former Texas Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, a Democrat, declared, "I don't know the lady, but if she's a good lawyer and believes in the Constitution, she'll be all right."

And so Justice O'Connor was confirmed unanimously as the 102nd Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and the first woman to sit on the highest court in the land. Twenty-four years later, her retirement has set the judicial-appointment process in motion again for the first time in 11 years. On Friday President Bush called for a "dignified" confirmation process, meaning no repeat of the attempts to annihilate Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas. By way of contrast, Barbara Jordan's comment seems like a relic of a more gracious past.

Hours after Justice O'Connor's announcement, MoveOn.org was predicting a nominee who is "an extremist who will undermine the rights of individuals and families." Ted Kennedy was already ratcheting up his end-of-days rhetoric. Mr. Bush shouldn't let these threats deter him from choosing someone who will move the Court in the direction that voters have endorsed in two Presidential elections in a row.

Justice O'Connor is being hailed as the Court's "swing" Justice, but her legacy is more complicated. She has been a conservative on property rights and federalism, most recently in her Kelo dissent, where she took vigorous issue with the Court's extension of government's eminent domain power to include the taking of private property for private economic development. Replacing her with a "moderate" could actually mean a more liberal court on those issues.

Where she drifted left over the years--and where her written opinions often sowed confusion--was on social issues, notably church-state and racial matters. She focused more on the facts of a particular case than on determining bright-line rules that citizens could understand and legislatures could follow in the future. Before the Ten Commandments decision came down last month, Beltway wags joked that Justice O'Connor would find five of the 10 unconstitutional.

Her muddled 2003 rulings on racial preferences at the University of Michigan is a case in point. On one hand, she found a "compelling governmental interest" in ensuring diversity, but she also expressed the hope that 25 years hence it would no longer be needed. Even here, however, she opposed the most blatant race-based schemes, which would put her to the right of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, judging from what we know about his role in influencing the government brief in the Michigan cases.

She also moved left on abortion over the years, but her departure does not put Roe v. Wade in jeopardy, notwithstanding claims on the left. Justice O'Connor provided the fifth vote in Casey, reaffirming Roe and a woman's right to abortion, but Ruth Bader Ginsburg has since joined the Court as the sixth vote in favor of Roe. On the other hand, the Carhart partial-birth abortion case--a 5-4 decision overturning Nebraska's ban--could well be overturned. But then two-thirds of Americans support laws banning that procedure, and it is the Court's extremism that has blocked just about any regulation of abortion even up to the time of birth.

Mr. Bush has had five years to evaluate possible nominees to the Supreme Court and there are many highly qualified candidates--male and female, on the appeals courts and elsewhere. Liberals who are demanding that he replace Justice O'Connor with a non-conservative are ignoring the recent history of Supreme Court nominations. When President Clinton named liberal Ruth Bader Ginsburg to replace Byron White, who had voted against Roe, Republicans didn't object even though that clearly moved the Court to the left on abortion and most other issues.

Mr. Bush has often said he'd like to appoint a Hispanic to the Court, and there are several fine candidates, including Miguel Estrada, whose nomination to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals was filibustered during Mr. Bush's first Administration. As a war President, Mr. Bush will also want someone who has a healthy respect for executive power in fighting terrorism--such as the Fourth Circuit's J. Harvie Wilkinson. This argues against Mr. Gonzales who, as former White House counsel and now head of the Justice Department, would have to recuse himself from most if not all of the war-on-terror cases. A series of 4-4 rulings would be bad for the country on what promises to be a fundamental legal debate in the coming years and could be a matter of national survival.

Any nominee will provide a test of the recent Senate deal barring a filibuster except in "extraordinary circumstances." If words mean anything, they ought to allow a filibuster only in the case of something truly unusual, such as an ethical scandal. They shouldn't include judicial philosophy, although the left is already trying to re-define them that way. The only time the filibuster has been used against a Supreme Court nominee was LBJ's choice of Abe Fortas, who faced corruption charges, and even then it was used mainly to gauge Senate support.

Justice O'Connor served 24 terms, and the average tenure for recent Justices is 19.5 years, or five Presidential terms, so the stakes are enormous. For liberals, the courts have become the preferred way to win policy victories now that Americans are consistently rejecting their agenda at the ballot box. Unlike Barbara Jordan and her colleagues 25 years ago, modern liberals are unlikely to be satisfied with a nominee who is a "good lawyer and believes in the Constitution."

But the only way to stop "borking" as a political strategy is to defy and defeat it. Mr. Bush told voters in 2000 and 2004 that he would nominate Justices in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. He owes it to the country, and his most loyal supporters, to keep that promise.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006917
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:29 pm
Lol

Interestingly enough, which judges are most likely to overturn Congress decisions, ie, legislate from the Bench?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/6/14178/92515

Quote:
We found that justices vary widely in their inclination to strike down Congressional laws. Justice Clarence Thomas, appointed by President George H. W. Bush, was the most inclined, voting to invalidate 65.63 percent of those laws; Justice Stephen Breyer, appointed by President Bill Clinton, was the least, voting to invalidate 28.13 percent. The tally for all the justices appears below.


Thomas 65.63 %
Kennedy 64.06 %
Scalia 56.25 %
Rehnquist 46.88 %
O'Connor 46.77 %
Souter 42.19 %
Stevens 39.34 %
Ginsburg 39.06 %
Breyer 28.13 %


One conclusion our data suggests is that those justices often considered more "liberal" - Justices Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens - vote least frequently to overturn Congressional statutes, while those often labeled "conservative" vote more frequently to do so. At least by this measure (others are possible, of course), the latter group is the most activist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/06/opinion/06gewirtz.html


Now that the stats are seen,

Do you still support the idea of more judges like Scalia and Thomas? Do you support legislating from the Bench?

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:55 pm
Overturning actions of Congress is not the same thing as legislating from the bench though.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2005 02:56 pm
What exactly is legislating from the bench? I agree, btw, that overturning actions of Congress is not legislating from the bench.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2005 05:58 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
What exactly is legislating from the bench? I agree, btw, that overturning actions of Congress is not legislating from the bench.


that's a good question.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2005 09:15 am
Which explains why it has gone unanswered, I guess.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 11:34 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Which explains why it has gone unanswered, I guess.


uh-huh.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:29 pm
Here is one rendition explaining what 'judicial activism' is and the results thereof. I wish Bork had done so without references to homosexuality and religion, both hot button issues unlikely to allow for any objecive discussion of the points he makes in this article. In hearing Bork interviewed and having the privilege of hearing him speak on a few occasions, I can say without reservation that he is advocate for niether pro-gay nor anti-gay issues, pro-religion or anti-religion issues, pro-abortion or anti-abortion issues, etc. He is a constitutional expert.

Is it possible we could discuss his principle in this essay and not debate those hot button issues?

AT LAW

Their Will Be Done
How the Supreme Court sows moral anarchy.


BY ROBERT H. BORK
Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

What do the nomination of a replacement for Sandra Day O'Connor, constitutional law, and moral chaos have to do with one another? A good deal more than you may think.

In Federalist No. 2, John Jay wrote of America that "providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs." Such a people enjoy the same moral assumptions, the cement that forms a society rather than a cluster of groups. Though Jay's conditions have long been obsolete, until recently Americans did possess a large body of common moral assumptions rooted in our original Anglo-Protestant culture, and expressed in law. Now, however, a variety of disintegrating influences are undermining that unanimity, not least among them is the capture of constitutional law by an extreme liberationist philosophy. America is becoming a cacophony of voices proclaiming different, or no, truths.

Alexis de Tocqueville observed that "if each undertook himself to form all his opinions and to pursue the truth in isolation down paths cleared by him alone, it is not probable that a great number of men would ever unite in any common belief. . . . Without common ideas there is no common action, and without common action men still exist, but a social body does not."

Contrast Tocqueville with Justices Harry Blackmun and Anthony Kennedy. Justice Blackmun wanted to create a constitutional right to homosexual sodomy because of the asserted " 'moral fact' that a person belongs to himself and not others nor to society as a whole." Justice Kennedy, writing for six justices, did invent that right, declaring that "at the heart of [constitutional] liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life." Neither of these vaporings has the remotest basis in the actual Constitution, and neither has any definable meaning other than that a common morality may not be sustained by law if a majority of justices prefer that each individual follow his own desires.

Once the justices depart, as most of them have, from the original understanding of the principles of the Constitution, they lack any guidance other than their own attempts at moral philosophy, a task for which they have not even minimal skills. Yet when it rules in the name of the Constitution, whether it rules truly or not, the court is the most powerful branch of government in domestic policy. The combination of absolute power, disdain for the historic Constitution, and philosophical incompetence is lethal.

The court's philosophy reflects, or rather embodies and advances, the liberationist spirit of our times. In moral matters, each man is a separate sovereignty. In its insistence on radical personal autonomy, the court assaults what remains of our stock of common moral beliefs. That is all the more insidious because the public and the media take these spurious constitutional rulings as not merely legal conclusions but moral teachings supposedly incarnate in our most sacred civic document.

That teaching is the desirability, as the sociologist Robert Nisbet put it, of the "break-up of social molecules into atoms, of a generalized nihilism toward society and culture as the result of individualistic hedonism and the fragmenting effect of both state and economy." He noted that both Edmund Burke and Tocqueville placed much of the blame for such developments on the intellectual class--in our time dominant in, for example, the universities, the media, church bureaucracies and foundation staffs--a class to which judges belong and to whose opinions they respond. Thus ever-expanding rights continually deplete America's bank of common morality.

Consider just a few of the court's accomplishments: The justices have weakened the authority of other institutions, public and private, such as schools, businesses and churches; assisted in sapping the vitality of religion through a transparently false interpretation of the establishment clause; denigrated marriage and family; destroyed taboos about vile language in public; protected as free speech the basest pornography, including computer-simulated child pornography; weakened political parties and permitted prior restraints on political speech, violating the core of the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech; created a right to abortion virtually on demand, invalidating the laws of all 50 states; whittled down capital punishment, on the path, apparently, to abolishing it entirely; mounted a campaign to normalize homosexuality, culminating soon, it seems obvious, in a right to homosexual marriage; permitted discrimination on the basis of race and sex at the expense of white males; and made the criminal justice system needlessly slow and complex, tipping the balance in favor of criminals.

Justice O'Connor, a warm, down-to-earth, and very likeable person, joined many, though not all, of these bold attempts to remake America. Whatever one may think of these outcomes as matters of policy, not one is authorized by the Constitution, and some are directly contrary to it. All of them, however, are consistent with the left-liberal liberationist impulse that advances moral anarchy.

Democratic senators' filibusters of the president's previous judicial nominees demonstrate liberals' determination to retain the court as their political weapon. They claim that conservative critics of the court threaten the independence of the judiciary, as though independence is a warrant to abandon the Constitution for personal predilection.

The court's critics are not angry without cause; they have been provoked.

The court has converted itself from a legal institution to a political one, and has made so many basic and unsettling changes in American government, life and culture that a counterattack was inevitable, and long overdue. If the critics' rhetoric is sometimes overheated, it is less so than that of some Democratic senators and their interest-group allies. The leaders of the Democratic Party in the Senate are making it the party of moral anarchy, and they will fight to keep the court activist and liberal. The struggle over the Supreme Court is not just about law: it is about the future of our culture.

To restore the court's integrity will require a minimum of three appointments of men and women who have so firm an understanding of the judicial function that they will not drift left once on the bench. Choosing, and fighting for, the right man or woman to replace Justice O'Connor is the place to start. That will be difficult, but the stakes are the legitimate scope of self-government and an end to judicially imposed moral disorder.

Mr. Bork, a former judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals (D.C. Circuit), is a Fellow at the Hudson Institute and editor of "A Country I Do Not Recognize: The Legal Assault on American Values," forthcoming from the Hoover Institution Press.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006940
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 05:52 pm
Rather than try to deduce what you take to be his main points, maybe you could summarize.

I'm not getting a specific definition of judicial activism from this. He seems to believe that the court has abandoned what he believes is the intent behind the Constitution. He lists a long lists of grievances against the court but doesn't explain why the rulings were wrong. They are contrary to his understanding. Ok. But we have judges with different understandings and we decide who's right by finding what the most of them can agree on.

What would have been useful is if, when he says the court has "mounted a campaign to normalize homosexuality" he could illustrate how they were doing this and how it was contrary to the 49th ammendment that says that Congress shall make no law normalizing homosexuality. (Before you get in a huff and say I'm making this about homosexuality, I use that example only to show that he is not supporting his assertions and that they appear to be very exaggerated.)

It would be really helpful if you could verbalize your opinions so I can be sure what are yours and what are Bork's.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2005 06:32 pm
LOL, well anything in his essay are definitely his assertions and not mine. Believe it or not, Judge Bork has never consulted with me about anything, let alone what the Supreme Court is intended to be about. Smile

I am working this afternoon/evening and don't have time to really think about it, but it's a fair question FD. I'll get back to it.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 06:50 am
Ok, I'll be patient.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:31 am
Okay, here is what I believe to be the heart and message of Bork's thesis. All the rest is illustration and inference drawn from these points:

"Alexis de Tocqueville observed that "if each undertook himself to form all his opinions and to pursue the truth in isolation down paths cleared by him alone, it is not probable that a great number of men would ever unite in any common belief. . . . Without common ideas there is no common action, and without common action men still exist, but a social body does not."

. . a common morality may not be sustained by law if a majority of justices prefer that each individual follow his own desires. . . .

. . . .Once the justices depart, as most of them have, from the original understanding of the principles of the Constitution, they lack any guidance other than their own attempts at moral philosophy, a task for which they have not even minimal skills. Yet when it rules in the name of the Constitution, whether it rules truly or not, the court is the most powerful branch of government in domestic policy. The combination of absolute power, disdain for the historic Constitution, and philosophical incompetence is lethal. . . .

. . . .In its insistence on radical personal autonomy, the court assaults what remains of our stock of common moral beliefs. That is all the more insidious because the public and the media take these spurious constitutional rulings as not merely legal conclusions but moral teachings supposedly incarnate in our most sacred civic document . . .

. . .Thus ever-expanding rights continually deplete America's bank of common morality . . .

. . .. The court has converted itself from a legal institution to a political one, and has made so many basic and unsettling changes in American government, life and culture that a counterattack was inevitable, and long overdue. . .

.. . . To restore the court's integrity will require a minimum of three appointments of men and women who have so firm an understanding of the judicial function that they will not drift left once on the bench."
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 08:46 am
Well, that sounds to me like he's saying the justices are there to establish a common morality, which seems to me to be contrary to their constitutionally defined function. Still, examples would be realy, really helpful. Otherwise, I'm just taking his, and your, words for it that "they lack any guidance other than their own attempts at moral philosophy".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:10 am
No, what he is saying is that the justices presume to insert their own sense of morality into their rulings and this is an improper use of judicial power. He cited a number of examples.

Understand what he is saying or not. Agree with his interpretation or not. I think he's right on.

What would it take to convince you anyway, FD?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:25 am
Well, a good example would help to convince me. Perhaps a ruling that was made not according to the constitution or established precedent but according to the justice's own sense of morality with explanations of how it is such. The examples he gives are all for Justice O'Connor (though his accusations are cast like a blanket over all of them) and though it's clear he doesn't like the decisions, it's not clear how her rulings constituted "legislating from the bench" or even inserting her own morality into the decisions.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:25 am
I should reiterate that I'm just looking for a clear definition of "legislating from the bench".
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:40 am
Here's my take on an answer, FreeDuck: "Legislating from the bench" is when the Court makes decisions that I don't agree with...

It's kind of like Big Government: It's only too big when it does stuff that I don't like.

Anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke, IMHO...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 09:40 am
Try "The Government Can Take Your House" thread for the most recent example. I didn't get that Bork was basing his thesis on a criticism of Sandra Day O'Connor at all.....I think you should reread the piece. I think he cited some excellent examples to back up his thesis. He mentioned the vacancy left by O'Connor as significant because while he seems to like her a lot, he notes his reasons for not wanting her replaced with another like her; namely that while she does get it right some of the time, she does not seem to grasp what judicial activism is or how dangerous it is. And he was clear that he wasn't pointing that finger at only her.
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