Democrats Shirking Social Support Mission for Anti-Trumpism

Helping people should require actually be about helping people, not about what YOU get in return for offering help. Maybe if you weren't so self-centered, you'd see that. But, as you see it, the tit-for-tat paying someone for help soothes your conscience but not actually helping someone in need.

And that is the sad commentary of the Republican way. In order to "help" someone, they must give you some sort of payment in return.

Help is help. Or in your version, prostitution is useful as long as you get yours. So benevolent of you.

Recreational sex is a waste of time and resources. There are better things for people to do with their time and money.

livinglava wrote:

Recreational sex is a waste of time and resources. There are better things for people to do with their time and money.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Slow your roll there. You are getting out of hand with comments like this.

Bipartisanship can be used as ammunition against dissent, in which case it becomes a weapon against democracy.

Democracy respects dissent and pursues consensus by listening to differing points of view, not seeking ways to overpower them and/or remove obstructions to goals.

Livinglava is a simple minded fascist, and you've got better things to do with your time than waste it on someone who can't even understand your replies, let alone formulate an articulate response.

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Bipartisanship can be used as ammunition against dissent, in which case it becomes a weapon against democracy.

Bipartisanship, sometimes referred to as nonpartisanship, is a political situation, usually in the context of a two-party system (especially those of the United States and some other western countries), in which opposing political parties find common ground through compromise.

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Democracy respects dissent and pursues consensus by listening to differing points of view, not seeking ways to overpower them and/or remove obstructions to goals.

1. It's fine to listen to differing points of view.

2. It's actually healthy to listen to differing points of view.

3. Allowing dissenting opinions to express their dissenting opinions is fine.

4. Allowing dissenting opinions to express their dissenting opinions doesn't mean allowing dissenting opinions to have their way.

5. If the dissenting opinions wish to have their way, they will have to persuade the majority of the legislators to vote their way, which would then make them majority opinion instead of the dissenting opinion.

6. And if the dissenting opinion fails to persuade the majority of the legislators to vote their way, then democracy says the dissenting opinions loses. That's how democracy works.

Your OP clearly spells out the problem is Democrats who seem to be making bills contrary to the Greater Good and Republicans are Just, by not even taking up these bills as they're not worthy to even come to the floor.

That simply is not true.

It is your bias and unyeilding viewpoint to keep blaming Democrats. You don't want to work with Democrats because every Democrat is wrong in your view.

And you wonder why you get push-back.

4. Just because someone genuinely disagrees with you, doesn't mean they didn't genuinely take into account to what you had to say.

5. Sometimes in life, people simply have to agree to disagree.

6. In politics, the dissenting views cannot force the majority to agree with their dissenting views. Especially If the majority of the legislators genuinely disagree with the dissenting opinions. The majority wins and the dissenting opinions loses. That is true democracy.

7. In politics, I have my own views and opinions, just as you do.

8. I have on many occasions articulated my views and opinions on politics as well as many other topics.

9. One last thing. Have anything I've posted on political topics ever cause you Livinglava to agree with me after originally disagreeing me?

Just curious.

The following are some things that can truly be seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic:

1. Voter suppression can be seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic.

2. Gerrymandering can be seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic.

3. The Electoral College can been seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic.

4. Not doing everything we can do to prevent foreign meddling in our elections can be seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic.

5. Not ensuring that all voting machines have paper back-ups can be seen as anti-democracy or anti-democratic.

I just want to give you something to think about.

I am simply pointing out that Democrats are focusing on issues of blaming/scapegoating, status/inequality, and economic control at the expense of seeking to propose solutions to problems that overcome dissent by taking into account critiques from various POVs.

Trying to push others into agreement instead of imploring/persuading with reason is pushy bully politics.

So, what you're saying is, every one of the 50 bills that were presented in this thread are non sequitur just BECAUSE democrats dared to put forward legislation? Why are you against ALL of it? Not ONE meets your criteria?

livinglava wrote:

Trying to push others into agreement instead of imploring/persuading with reason is pushy bully politics.

Odd, that's exactly what I'm saying to you.