The Bush legacy.

I decline to offer an opinion, because my view of the man is totally hostile. He should be in jail, but others may disagree . . .

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edgarblythe
I agree that he should be in jail and the indictment should be for committing mass murder.

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I suspect responses here will fall along party lines.

There is so much going on in anyone's presidency that unless one closely follows what's happening, it's only the broad brush strokes that most of us are aware of.

That said, IMHO I do not see a good legacy. I see little good going on right now in many of the broad areas. Whether or not these areas have their roots in the previous administrations or they are the doing of the current administration, I always believe the buck does stop at the Oval Office.

Unfortunately, history is written by the winners, so....

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I'm sure that by the time histoiry will be writing the bush legacy there willl be entire government agencies who employ thousands to write and rewrite history daily.

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Bush's legacy will be written in the Mid East. (Iraq in particular.) We probably won't know the outcome for 10 years but based on every other country that has dashed themselves against those rocks it probably won't look good.

Billions if not trillions spent without much of an outcome.

It is interesting how Clinton, Carter, Bush41 all get attacked because peace hasn't yet come to Israel and Palestine. The same will happen to GW and his foray into Iraq. Unfortunately, he has not much to show for his presidency other than Iraq - no Bin Laden, an increase in terror around the world. A good response in invading Afghanistan but then he squandered that good will.

I think GW wanted to out-Reagan Reagan and in so doing he refuses to compromise on any of his conservative issues. It was Reagan's willingness to compromise when necessary that made him a better president than GW will ever be seen as.

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I think Bush will be seen as the President who weakened America and hastened its decline.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I'm sure that by the time histoiry will be writing the bush legacy there willl be entire government agencies who employ thousands to write and rewrite history daily.

How about the activist left wing judges and the ACLU........they are revising history on a daily basis now.

If the Despots of the ME can be replaced with self determination (of any knd) Bush will receive much of the credit by Historians. If he manages to save Social Security solvency(in spite of Democratic obstructionism) for our grandchildren, it will be viewed by Historians as a major accomplishment. His relentless efforts to defeat Islamist Fascism will eventually result in victory and will result in a high standing for that effort alone. I am perhaps basing my predictions on pure optimism but isn't that preferable to the destructive cynicism and pessimism displayed in previous posts? Mankind must continue facing problems with optimism while keeping a keen awareness of reality as opposed to forcasting doom at every sequence of events because doom will eventually become a self fulfilling prophecy.

I see much of the criticism in the previous posts as being motivated by emotions rather than rational arguments. The accomplishments of the man are self evident and will become more so as events play themselves out. Most of us would love to have just one of his accomplishments on our resume.

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rayban1
Aside from starting a war, the death of 1725 and the maiming of 13,500 American service people. the death of 110,000 Iraqi civilians all ayt a cost of $ 200 billion tax dollars.
Pray tell what did he accomplish?

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au1929 wrote:

rayban1
Aside from starting a war, the death of 1725 and the maiming of 13,500 American service people. the death of 110,000 Iraqi civilians all ayt a cost of $ 200 billion tax dollars.
Pray tell what did he accomplish?

It's up to 110,000 now? Rolling Eyes

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McGentrix
Yes that is the latest count.

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Huh. Is that some metric number? 25,560 is the official number in America... You must be hanging around the Canuckians too much.

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McG
If you watched meet the press this AM those were the numbers quoted during the interview with Rumsfeld. He had no argument with them, but I guess you know better.

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From the website you posted McG

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IBC response to the Lancet study estimating "100,000" Iraqi deaths

Some people have asked us why we have not increased our count to 100,000 in the light of the multiple media reports of the recent Lancet study [link] which claims this as a probable and conservative estimate of Iraqi casualties.

Iraq Body Count does not include casualty estimates or projections in its database. It only includes individual or cumulative deaths as directly reported by the media or tallied by official bodies (for instance, by hospitals, morgues and, in a few cases so far, NGOs), and subsequently reported in the media. In other words, each entry in the Iraq Body Count data base represents deaths which have actually been recorded by appropriate witnesses - not "possible" or even "probable" deaths.

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We have always been quite explicit that our own total is certain to be an underestimate of the true position, because of gaps in reporting or recording. It is no part of our practice, at least as far as our published totals are concerned, to make any prediction or projection about what the "unseen" number of deaths might have been. This total can only be established to our satisfaction by a comprehensive count carried out by the Iraqi government, or other organisation with national or transnational authority.

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au1929 wrote:

rayban1
Aside from starting a war, the death of 1725 and the maiming of 13,500 American service people. the death of 110,000 Iraqi civilians all ayt a cost of $ 200 billion tax dollars.
Pray tell what did he accomplish?

1. Saddam is in jail.

2. Syria has withdrawn from Lebanon------they have been in Lebanon through the administrations of how many presidents?.......they withdrew on his watch so he gets the credit in my NHO.

3. Twent five million Iraqis don't have to worry about being yanked from their beds at 2 AM and then fed through a shredding machine just because they looked at one of his psychotic sons the wrong way.

4. His actions and words have given hope of freedom to many more millions throughout the ME

I would say those accomplishments are enough for starters but then your personal hatred for Bush will prevent you from giving him credit for anything except the collateral damage of war.......your brain will just not accept anything else. Wheewww talk about being blinded by hatred!

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rayban1

Collateral damage of war you say. Tell that to the families of the 1700 dead, the 13,500 maimed and the 110,000 dead Iraqis. All the result of a war that did not and should not have been started in the first place. A war that was predicated on a lie. Hate Bush no, Hate his administration for the damage he has done to this nation

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Until you guys stop with the ridiculous claim of 100,000, er, I mean 110,000 dead civilians, the rest of your flagellations matter little.

As if 25,000+ isn't bad enough.

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McG
Oh! Would you rather we mimic the administrations strategy and lie about everything.

Yes, everything is going great. Iraq is just a walk in the park.
Happy now?

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au1929 wrote:

McG
Oh! Would you rather we mimic the administrations strategy and lie about everything.

Yes, everything is going great. Iraq is just a walk in the park.
Happy now?

If it's going so well, why the need for the exagerrated numbers?

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rayban1 wrote:

1. Saddam is in jail.

2. Syria has withdrawn from Lebanon------they have been in Lebanon through the administrations of how many presidents?.......they withdrew on his watch so he gets the credit in my NHO.

Actually, Syria's withdrawal from Lebanon had little to do with the Invasion of Iraq.

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3. Twent five million Iraqis don't have to worry about being yanked from their beds at 2 AM and then fed through a shredding machine just because they looked at one of his psychotic sons the wrong way.

Now they have to worry about being blown up by suicide bombers.

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4. His actions and words have given hope of freedom to many more millions throughout the ME

But the actions of him and his administration have also caused a lot of distrust in the US.

The only good things about the invasion are that Saddam is no longer in power and that the Iraqis have some semblance of a democratic government. It isn't completely representative of the people because of a certain group pulling out of the elections, but it is democratic.

They are the only true accomplishments of the invasion, which was badly thought out.

Currently, Iraq's archaeological sites are being desecrated and its historical items stolen. The cradle of civilisation is being wrecked, all through poor planning on the Administration's account.

If they had taken the time to think of the consequences and plan for them, then we wouldn't be complaining, but they didn't. As a result, Iraq is more of a mess than it should be. Granted, it wouldn't have been plain sailing even if they had planned things out, but it wouldn't have been as bad as this.

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