Women Are Not Trash...Women Are NOT Disposable

Do you mean 16 year old data from a source under the George W. Bush administration? Get some updated stats and talk.

Who knows, maybe there are a huge number of women hoping to have the snot beaten out them JUST so the "Feminist" narrative can .........and this where I usually get brain freeze...........and Max just fades into the vapour....I have no idea what bothers him so much. OK, maybe I get that he resents women.....perhaps his mother was a monster who hated little boys ...... then it would really suck to be Max. If that's the case we all should try to help him.

You don't have to be a feminist to disagree with Max, just a decent person.

You are being silly, Tsarstepan, as silly as the rest of them. I am curious about what brought you into this thread.

I don't think you care about the data. If you did, you could go look up data from reputable, unbiased organizations yourself. I did that this morning, and I actually learned something.

But you are here to defend a closed ideological narrative. I don't even know what position you are taking, other than that Izzy and Glitterbag are here arguing against someone.

If someone wanted to look at the data on violence (which I provided through 2018) and specific violence against women (which I provided through 2003) they can go and do the math... no one has uploaded a graph I can find that extends data by gender through 2018.

I am here to poke fun at outrage feminism.... a narrow political ideology that pushes an extreme narrative facts be damned. The facts don't matter, when I provide them they are ignored.

You all circle up wagons, deny everything and attack attack attack... like a bunch of Republicans on the judiciary committee. And.... I am playing the role of Professor Karlan.

For some perverse reason I enjoy this.

Along with a modicum of common sense.

And ruthless efficiency

And a near fanatical devotion to the pope...

I know how I can garner a plethora of thumbs up:

Women are considered trash in this evil nation

Blacks are considered trash in this evil nation

Hispanics are considered trash in this evil nation

Blah, blah, blah.....

Offer something other than virtue signaling horsesh*t and I might take you seriously,

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It is strange, Finn. I think I piss them off more than you do. I support liberal politics when they are reasonable. This makes the fact I reject the outrage nonsense all the more insulting to them.

My politics are fact based. I think that 80% what what Feminists say is correct. I certainly think that Black Lives Matter has a very valid point. My kids are Hispanic, and my sons have dark skin. Some of these complaints are personal.

The problem with outrage feminism and other extremists (on the left or the right) is that they take things way too. Rather than pointing out real problems and working for reasonable solutions, they take a narrative beyond any reality. The goal becomes outrage for outrage sake rather than addressing real problems or injustice.

All I am asking is that outraged liberals drop the ridiculous outrage and start caring about facts. People are coming to this thread as part of an angry mob fighting heresy. They are not even trying to make any points or solve any problem.

For people who don't know what Glitterbag is doing here.... Glitterbag knows full well from previous threads about my history as a victim of child abuse. She is using my mother as mockery as a nasty way to make a personal attack.

I was going to let it go, but I changed my mind. I want to make is perfectly clear what Glitterbag is doing.

It is a rather nasty personal attack.

1. What do you think are some reasons that violence against women occur?

2. What do you think are some root causes for violence against women?

2. What do you think we should do to help stop or reduce violence against women?

The question not being asked is why violence against women is being seen as somehow worse than violence against other demographic groups. The greatest amount of violence is being committed against African-American young men.

The amount of violence correlates with issues of poverty and hopelessness. The programs that have been shown to reduce violence have been shown to involve improving community resources and helping with issues like training and unemployment.

To answer the important question... to help stop or reduce violence (against men and women) we should continue to provide community resources, education and job opportunities to communities that need them.

And related to this thread... policy on violence should be fact based. Policy decisions based on ideology or political outrage aren't generally very good.

Anyone who puts ideology over clear data from reputable sources isn't likely to create a rational policy.

No it's not. The real problem is you attacking female victims of violence, acting like there's only a certain amount of pity going around and demanding you get your slice.

Nobody has said anything remotely like the nonsense you're trying to claim. All violence is bad, but obviously there are degrees, and violence involving an unequal power dynamic usually, but not always, involves a woman or child.

The pain, suffering and horror in such episodes is exponentially so much worse, and it only takes a tint bit of empathy to realise that.

Stop trying to make this about yourself, and stop trying to talk for men, this man thinks you're an embarrassment.

I am pushing back a political ideology that I feel is distorting the facts of this issue. If I have attacked female victims of violence, please post the link here and I will apologize.



My responses have been focused on facts, except when responding to Glitterbag's nastiness.



... that makes me happy. The problem here is your political ideology pushing a narrative in spite of facts to the contrary. That you are "embarrassed" by my posts seems like something to be proud of.

1. Violence against various demographic groups are viewed differently as they should be.

2. It's not always about pure numbers. It's not quite that simple.

3. Violence against a handicap person is uniquely different and much more egregious, regardless of the numbers.

4. Violence against elderly people is uniquely different and much more egregious, regardless of the numbers.

5. Violence against children is uniquely different and much more egregious, regardless of the numbers.

6. Violence against women is uniquely different and much more egregious, regardless of the numbers.

7. Don't get me wrong. Violence against men is also wrong

8. Let me repeat that one more time, so that I make myself clear.

9. Violence against men is also wrong.

10. Yes, the numbers are indeed important.

11. Yes, the numbers can not and should not be ignored.

12. I am simply saying that it's not always about the numbers.

Izzy.... I would love to hear your answer to Real Music's questions. He is trying to lift this thread out of the gutter, and I appreciate it.

Let's support him by focusing on the issue rather than just throwing mud.

What policies would you support to reduce violence?

There's no political ideology. There's a thread started by someone who likes to appear deranged, at first you took the piss, albeit very badly, but at least you tried.

You then made the mistake of taking him seriously and projected your own time worn issues on him.

Violence against women has remained invisible for a long time, it's just starting to be talked about. You can condemn violence against women without condoning violence against men, it's not an either or situation.

Now we both know you're very good at starting threads, so why not start a thread on violence against men, and I'm sure if you can avoid making it about yourself you'll get some sensible responses.

It has to beat hijacking other threads, especially ones started by nutters.

This is where we disagree. Can you explain why you believe this is the case?

There is the fact that women are seen as physically weaker, but in most cases this doesn't matter (and in some cases it isn't even true). If someone gets shot or stabbed, physical strength isn't at issue. Our society has reached the point where women can be placed into combat... if women are "uniquely different" when it comes to violence wouldn't that make putting them in combat be questionable?

I can see why children are seen as vulnerable and needing special protection. I don't see why adult women should be viewed the same as children.

My politics has nothing whatsoever to do with finding you an embarrassment, men like you are an embarrassment.