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A response I wrote to an article on Child Marriage;

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 11:04 am
@maxdancona,
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This is a thread where White people are condemning indigenous cultures.

Well, only the parts of those cultures that involves cutting off body parts.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:25 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
This is a thread where White people are condemning indigenous cultures. The implication is that White people can not only pass judgement on indigenous people, but that it is appropriate to us the power imbalance to Westernize them.

If there was a thread promoting Chinese imperialism I promise I would challenge that too.


Glennn wrote:

Quote:
This is a thread where White people are condemning indigenous cultures.

Well, only the parts of those cultures that involves cutting off body parts.



You object to the marriage customs of indigenous people as well... and probably other customs as well.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:40 pm
@maxdancona,
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You object to the marriage customs of indigenous people as well... and probably other customs as well.

You'd probably be surprised to know that my concerns are pretty much limited to giving girls to grown men, and the cutting off of sexual body parts.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 04:02 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
You object to the marriage customs of indigenous people as well... and probably other customs as well.

You'd probably be surprised to know that my concerns are pretty much limited to giving girls to grown men, and the cutting off of sexual body parts.


Grown men such as men in their mid to late 20s such as Edison marrying middle to late teen age women as was common at one point in our history

Far better to have those women/girls having children by teenage boys who can not care for the offsprings they took part in producing.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 05:07 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Grown men such as men in their mid to late 20s such as Edison marrying middle to late teen age women as was common at one point in our history

So if it was good enough for Edison, it's good enough for you? Okay.
Quote:

Far better to have those women/girls having children by teenage boys who can not care for the offsprings they took part in producing.

Yeah, probably better to hand the girl over to a full grown man so that after he impregnates her, the baby will be better off. Maybe you're right about marriage and females being regulated. Never mind that a grown man has nothing in common with an emotionally and intellectually immature female, and that an intellectually and emotionally immature female has nothing in common with a grown man because it's not about the female, is it. So what if the girl isn't into the man or doesn't want a physical relationship with him? It's all in her best interest, right?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 05:44 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
Grown men such as men in their mid to late 20s such as Edison marrying middle to late teen age women as was common at one point in our history

So if it was good enough for Edison, it's good enough for you? Okay.
Quote:

Far better to have those women/girls having children by teenage boys who can not care for the offsprings they took part in producing.

Yeah, probably better to hand the girl over to a full grown man so that after he impregnates her, the baby will be better off. Maybe you're right about marriage and females being regulated. Never mind that a grown man has nothing in common with an emotionally and intellectually immature female, and that an intellectually and emotionally immature female has nothing in common with a grown man because it's not about the female, is it. So what if the girl isn't into the man or doesn't want a physical relationship with him? It's all in her best interest, right?


So you are not aware the females tend to mature faster/sooner then males?

Quote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10529134/Girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find.html

It is a well known truism that girls mature faster than boys.

But now scientists have discovered for the first time that their brains can develop up to ten years earlier than boys.

Newcastle University stumbled upon the finding while conducting experiments into how the brain stores information.

They discovered that as the brain matures it begins to ‘prune’ information that is stored and focus on what is important.

For girls this can happen as early as 10 years old, but for boys it can take until between 15 and 20 for the same.


Dr Marcus Kaiser said: “Completely by accident we found there is a difference between boys and girls in terms of development.

“We found that the brain begins to prune neural connections which it does not think are important.”

During this process similar memories or sounds or sights that appear in the brain several times will be shut off.

Researcher Sol Lim said: "The loss of connectivity during brain development can actually help to improve brain function by reorganizing the network more efficiently.

“Say instead of talking to many people at random, asking a couple of people who have lived in the area for a long time is the most efficient way to know your way.

“In a similar way, reducing some projections in the brain helps to focus on essential information."

Only important connections, like linking the sound of a familiar person’s voice to their face are preserved.

But while scanning the brains of 121 volunteers between the ages of four and 40 they discovered significant differences.

“Previous studies have shown that the brain does a lot of re-organising during puberty, there is greater activity during this time, “ said Dr Kaiser.

“But it was rather unexpected to find that these changes were starting much earlier in girls in comparison with boys.

“Around 10 to 12 you start to see a lot of activity in the brains of girls as this pruning takes place, but it was between 15 to 20 for boys.

The work is part of the EPSRC-funded Human Green Brain project which examines human brain development and is published in the journal Cerebral Cortex.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 09:20 pm
@BillRM,
Is this scientific report your justification for thinking that a fifteen year-old girl is somehow as intellectually and emotionally mature as a grown man. You seem not to be aware of the fact that maturing intellectually and emotionally has to do with experience, and that takes time.

Also, you seem to be implying that as long as the girl has reached the age of menstruation, she's ready to give birth. Is that true, or am I reading you wrong?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 09:54 pm
@Glennn,
Glenn and Bill both fail to understand that different culture have vastly different experiences. What is approprate in one culture is inexcusible in another. In many cultures a 15 year old is considered an adult with all of the rights and reaponsibilities of adulthood. In modern Western culture we have an extended period of adolesence.

I reject the idea that Western culture is superior, and that all other cultures should be measured by it.

I agree with Glenn that in a Western cultural context that someone over 18 (our arbitrary line of adulthood) should not have a sexual relationship with a 15 year old.

I dont agree that this is a Universal principal. Other cultures have different realities, different values diffwrent ideas about gender and different definitions of adulthood.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 10:41 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
In many cultures a 15 year old is considered an adult with all of the rights and reaponsibilities of adulthood.

Well then it must also be true that a 15 year-old girl has the responsibility to exercise her right to decline an offer of marriage from a grown man if she so chooses. It must also be true that a 15 year old girl can exercise her right to choose to wait a few years to marry a male of the same age who she is actually attracted to.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:33 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
This is a thread where White people are condemning indigenous cultures. The implication is that White people can not only pass judgement on indigenous people, but that it is appropriate to us the power imbalance to Westernize them.

There's no such implication. Glenn ain't going to invade Karamoja or Afghanistan. You can sleep again.

Rest assured that Karamojons and Afghans pass judgements on us, Westerners, and occasionally condemn our cultures. It's hard to stop people from forming opinions...
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 06:20 am
@Olivier5,
You do know we invaded Afghanistan recently., right?. We impact policy by giving guns to the factions we favor. Many Afghans resent this interference in their culture and they are actively resisting it at a.very high cost to themselves and to their family.

The side with the most guns has the moral authority. That doesn't make Glenn or Bill moral in any universal sense. It does give them the luxury of not having to consider other ways of life.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 06:56 am
@maxdancona,
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You do know we invaded Afghanistan recently., right?

I'm quite aware of that, and it wasn't that recent anyway (end 2001/ early 2002). Mind you, that invasion had nothing, nada, zilch to do with child marriage or imposing our culture on them. And it also comes at a huge cost to the US and their allies.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 07:11 am
@Olivier5,
Of course it had to do with forcong our.culture on them. We have been supporting efforts to Westernize Afghanistan long before 9/11. They will say as much in Afghanistan and the propaganda in the US talks about what in the US is considered cultural repression.

By the way, the US is still in Afghanistan with troops, and propping up a government that is favored by the West, but resisted by much of the Afghan people.

Why do you think the Afghans are fighting and dying against a military superpower? It is to defend their culture from Western influence.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 07:38 am
@Olivier5,
I am curious about Glenn's opinion on this.

The US can negotiate with the Taliban to not let any group supporting terror against the US to have a safe haven. Then they can leave Afghanistan to the Afghanis to decide their own future according to their own cultural values.

This would mean the US would leave without doing anything to change Afghani culture concerning Western ideas about woman's rights.

Glenn, would you support this outcome?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 08:10 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
In many cultures a 15 year old is considered an adult with all of the rights and reaponsibilities of adulthood.

Well then it must also be true that a 15 year-old girl has the responsibility to exercise her right to decline an offer of marriage from a grown man if she so chooses. It must also be true that a 15 year old girl can exercise her right to choose to wait a few years to marry a male of the same age who she is actually attracted to.


So no mid teen girl is going to be attracted to a mid 20 year old male???????
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 10:05 am
@BillRM,
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So no mid teen girl is going to be attracted to a mid 20 year old male?

Sure. It's called a crush. And boys, as well, develop crushes on older women. Emotions rule when you're a teen. Sometimes, being an adult means protecting teens from themselves, and not using their hormones against them.

Are you of the opinion that when these boys develop crushes, they should wed these older women? Do you think they would make great fathers?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 10:15 am
@maxdancona,
For the record, the correct adjective and noun for the nationality is "Afghan", not "Afghani", which refers to the currency instead.

The US is currently negotiating with the Taliban.

The Taliban do not represent traditional Afghan culture and values, by the way. Rather, they embody a form of Wahabism aka the cultural imperialism of the Saudis.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 10:16 am
@maxdancona,
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Then they can leave Afghanistan to the Afghanis to decide their own future according to their own cultural values.

You mean for the Afghani men to decide what restrictions will be placed on women.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 10:44 am
@Glennn,
Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I would word that differently (I dont accept the implication that most women want to be Westernized) but I will accept your wording.

Is it a good idea for Western military and economic force to be used to prevent Afghan men from deciding what restrictions will be placed on Afghan women?

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2019 12:18 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Quote:
So no mid teen girl is going to be attracted to a mid 20 year old male?

Sure. It's called a crush. And boys, as well, develop crushes on older women. Emotions rule when you're a teen. Sometimes, being an adult means protecting teens from themselves, and not using their hormones against them.

Are you of the opinion that when these boys develop crushes, they should wed these older women? Do you think they would make great fathers?


The social as a whole seems to had decided women at whatever age need to be protected from their own poor judgment.

Macdonald board had just taken away the right of their female employees to consent to having private relationships with other employee no matter what their age happen to be. One wonder if Macdonald board would had back down if the CEO had married the woman.

Thanks god such policies was not in place when Bill Gates was courting his
now wife.

In any case, women are no longer allow to form willing relationships if they and their partners work for the same firm.

Footnote the last I hear 20 percents of all marriages in the US involved coworkers in the same firm and we need to stop such happenings.
 

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