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Tardigrades: We're now polluting the moon with near indestructible little creatures

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 01:02 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Yeah, I agree for the most part. I'd just rather do it in a more considered way.


I don't know InfraBlue... it sounds like it took an awful lot of foresight and planning for these tardigrades to pull off this trip
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 02:52 pm
@maxdancona,
Ohh, their plan, heh.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 06:36 pm
@maxdancona,
Good news! I just found out that nematodes eat tardigrades!

All we need is another spaceship to bring up nematodes and problem solved.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Uh oh
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 11:46 am
It's an interesting concept that life can pollute, but I guess it goes along with the notion that human life (in and of itself) pollutes. However, most who hold to "human life pollution" are quite fond of and protective of all the other living organisms on earth...including the itsy bitsy ones.

A dead rock, one of trillions, travels around space for a few billion years and then (possibly) becomes a home to life (and eventually huggable trees) and it's been polluted? It sounds like an upgrade to me.

I suppose if you consider these dead rocks the work of a divine creator you might argue that they shouldn't be messed with any more than Michelangelo's David should have a mustache added, but then we know the OP doesn't believe in a divine creator, so what's up?

Or maybe it's just because this version of life is tiny and ugly. What if Palestinian scientists terraformed the moon into a Garden of Eden. Outrage?
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Or maybe it's just because this version of life is tiny and ugly. What if Palestinian scientists terraformed the moon into a Garden of Eden. Outrage?


That was my thought - it is only considered polluting because they are not fuzzy and cute like a bunny or puppy.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:18 pm
@Linkat,
I think the objection is that the surface and core of the moon has yet to be fully explored. If the goal of lunar geologists is to study the moon to get clues as to the formation of the solar system and possibly the earth, introducing terrestrial life forms is pollution, but not in the sense you and Finn are using. More like this second definition:

"To make less suitable for an activity, especially by the introduction of unwanted factors."

They don't want to study tardigrades, they want to study objects in the solar system before they have been influenced and transformed by earthly life. After the moon has been carefully studied and its lunar geology analyzed, scientists and governments may agree on a plan to mine or possibly 'terraform' the satellite but for one country to do this on its own runs contrary to the protocols of space exploration.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:22 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I think the objection is that the surface and core of the moon has yet to be fully explored. If the goal of lunar geologists is to study the moon to get clues as to the formation of the solar system and possibly the earth, introducing terrestrial life forms is pollution, but not in the sense you and Finn are using. More like this second definition:

"To make less suitable for an activity, especially by the introduction of unwanted factors."

They don't want to study tardigrades, they want to study objects in the solar system before they have been influenced and transformed by earthly life. After the moon has been carefully studied and its lunar geology analyzed, scientists and governments may agree on a plan to
mine or possibly 'terraform' the satellite but for one country to do this on its own runs contrary to the protocols of space exploration.

Good post.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:40 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I think the objection is that the surface and core of the moon has yet to be fully explored. If the goal of lunar geologists is to study the moon to get clues as to the formation of the solar system and possibly the earth, introducing terrestrial life forms is pollution, but not in the sense you and Finn are using. More like this second definition:

"To make less suitable for an activity, especially by the introduction of unwanted factors."

They don't want to study tardigrades, they want to study objects in the solar system before they have been influenced and transformed by earthly life. After the moon has been carefully studied and its lunar geology analyzed, scientists and governments may agree on a plan to mine or possibly 'terraform' the satellite but for one country to do this on its own runs contrary to the protocols of space exploration.


yeah just like you --- wanting to muddy the waters with logic and reasoning.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:49 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

That was my thought - it is only considered polluting because they are not fuzzy and cute like a bunny or puppy.


What are you talking about? I think tardigrades are adorable.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:47 pm
@hightor,
Exactly.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What if Palestinian scientists terraformed the moon into a Garden of Eden. Outrage?


If the Palestinians did that, you would be outraged.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:51 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I think the objection is that the surface and core of the moon has yet to be fully explored. If the goal of lunar geologists is to study the moon to get clues as to the formation of the solar system and possibly the earth, introducing terrestrial life forms is pollution, but not in the sense you and Finn are using. More like this second definition:

"To make less suitable for an activity, especially by the introduction of unwanted factors."

They don't want to study tardigrades, they want to study objects in the solar system before they have been influenced and transformed by earthly life. After the moon has been carefully studied and its lunar geology analyzed, scientists and governments may agree on a plan to mine or possibly 'terraform' the satellite but for one country to do this on its own runs contrary to the protocols of space exploration.


Someone wants to study tardigrades or they wouldn't have been sent there.

It's not as if there is a massive international effort to study the moon within the next ten years that is at risk.

It is likely to be colonized well before "lunar geologists" have gotten all the data they want.

The political violence of Palestinian organizations runs contrary to the protocols of international law, but that doesn't bother the OP

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:52 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What if Palestinian scientists terraformed the moon into a Garden of Eden. Outrage?


If the Palestinians did that, you would be outraged.


Actually, it would make me think much more highly of them: directing their efforts to nourishing life rather than eradicating it.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 03:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Right.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 03:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Someone wants to study tardigrades or they wouldn't have been sent there.

The political violence of Palestinian organizations runs contrary to the protocols of international law, but that doesn't bother the OP


Ever the assumptive asshole.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 03:21 pm
Why are we dragging these creatures into the Israeli-Palestine conflict? Whichever side of this nasty conflict you are rooting for it has nothing to do with these water bears. Whether you want Jews dead or Arabs dead frankly doesn't concern these creatures.

Maybe these tardigrades are better off on the Moon.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 04:11 pm
@maxdancona,
Any mention of Israel by me triggers Finn's Israel sycophancy.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2019 06:33 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Whether you want Jews dead or Arabs dead frankly doesn't concern these creatures.

If tardigrades are somehow the missing link of how animal life was seeded onto Earth before it differentiated and evolved into all the modern manifestations that exist today and in fossil records, then wouldn't Jews, Arabs, and all humans be the descendants of tardigrades?

Not that they would care more about about them/us because of that fact.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:25 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Linkat wrote:

That was my thought - it is only considered polluting because they are not fuzzy and cute like a bunny or puppy.


What are you talking about? I think tardigrades are adorable.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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