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Hypocracy Most Holy

 
 
rayban1
 
Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:42 pm
Interesting article by a Muslim author:

GOD AND MAN

Hypocrisy Most Holy
Muslims should show some respect to others' religions.

BY ALI AL-AHMED
Friday, May 20, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

With the revelation that a copy of the Quran may have been desecrated by U.S. military personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Muslims and their governments--including that of Saudi Arabia--reacted angrily. This anger would have been understandable if the U.S. government's adopted policy was to desecrate our Quran. But even before the Newsweek report was discredited, that was never part of the allegations.

As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi Arabia--where I come from--are not even allowed to own a copy of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately.

Soon after Newsweek published an account, later retracted, of an American soldier flushing a copy of the Quran down the toilet, the Saudi government voiced its strenuous disapproval. More specifically, the Saudi Embassy in Washington expressed "great concern" and urged the U.S. to "conduct a quick investigation."

Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Quran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia. This would seem curious to most people because of the fact that to most Muslims, the Bible is a holy book. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia we are not talking about most Muslims, but a tiny minority of hard-liners who constitute the Wahhabi Sect.

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. The State Department's annual human rights reports detail the arrest and deportation of many Christian worshipers every year. Just days before Crown Prince Abdullah met President Bush last month, two Christian gatherings were stormed in Riyadh. Bibles and crosses were confiscated, and will be incinerated. (The Saudi government does not even spare the Quran from desecration. On Oct. 14, 2004, dozens of Saudi men and women carried copies of the Quran as they protested in support of reformers in the capital, Riyadh. Although they carried the Qurans in part to protect themselves from assault by police, they were charged by hundreds of riot police, who stepped on the books with their shoes, according to one of the protesters.)

As Muslims, we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols. Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses or Stars of David are censored.

The desecration of religious texts and symbols and intolerance of varying religious viewpoints and beliefs have been issues of some controversy inside Saudi Arabia. Ruled by a Wahhabi theocracy, the ruling elite of Saudi Arabia have made it difficult for Christians, Jews, Hindus and others, as well as dissenting sects of Islam, to visibly coexist inside the kingdom.

Another way in which religious and cultural issues are becoming more divisive is the Saudi treatment of Americans who are living in that country: Around 30,000 live and work in various parts of Saudi Arabia. These people are not allowed to celebrate their religious or even secular holidays. These include Christmas and Easter, but also Thanksgiving. All other Gulf states allow non-Islamic holidays to be celebrated.

The Saudi Embassy and other Saudi organizations in Washington have distributed hundreds of thousands of Qurans and many more Muslim books, some that have libeled Christians, Jews and others as pigs and monkeys. In Saudi school curricula, Jews and Christians are considered deviants and eternal enemies. By contrast, Muslim communities in the West are the first to admit that Western countries--especially the U.S.--provide Muslims the strongest freedoms and protections that allow Islam to thrive in the West. Meanwhile Christianity and Judaism, both indigenous to the Middle East, are maligned through systematic hostility by Middle Eastern governments and their religious apparatuses.

The lesson here is simple: If Muslims wish other religions to respect their beliefs and their Holy book, they should lead by example.

Mr. al-Ahmed is director of the Saudi Institute in Washington.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:12 pm
Interesting. Wonder what kind of reaction, if any, this will get around here.
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Proteinn
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 12:17 am
Well... I wonder why the US has "good relations" with Saudi Arabia then if they are ruled by such tyrants? I thought the US was against tyrants and crushed them on sight.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 12:45 am
tommrr wrote:
Interesting. Wonder what kind of reaction, if any, this will get around here.


Hmmmm?

I for one am overjoyed by those who stand up to the "mind-forg'd manacles" of any fundamentalist religious nonsense - Islamic, Christian, whatever.

Good on him.


Many Saudi laws suck most mightily.

'Tis great to hear one of their own standing up for tolerance.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 12:58 am
dlowan,
Yours wasn't the reaction I was questioning. I have some other in mind.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 01:30 am
Proteinn wrote:
Well... I wonder why the US has "good relations" with Saudi Arabia then if they are ruled by such tyrants? I thought the US was against tyrants and crushed them on sight.

Not at all. We only crush them when there is some other reason to. When their only flaw is totalitarianism, we confine our disapproval to persuasion.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 01:33 am
tommrr wrote:
dlowan,
Yours wasn't the reaction I was questioning. I have some other in mind.


Lol! Well, here is my analysis of why the left and right get into endless wrangles re this stuff.

Some righties here delight in posting really quite nasty and prejudiced stuff about Muslims, right?

The "opposition" get peed off with the tone and the inaccurate generalisations. Still with me?

So - they defend Muslims from unfair attack - generally while having very little sympathy for religion generally, and religious fanatics in particular. Some of them get really upset, and use less than temperate language against the Muslim bashers.

The anti-Muslim folk do a "Oh my god!! You are defending terrorists and murderers!!! You are nothing but a terrorist and murderer yourself!!! The sky is falling!!! You murdering bastards!!! You traitorous etc." Well, you get the picture....


This kinda tends to lead to people fighting hotly - and taking more extreme positions than usual. And all sorts of folk weigh in - and there is more heat than light. Right?

The other nasty thing I notice creeping in lately is a kind of "Christians are decent and civilised and tolerant - while those Muslims are bad and evil and be-nighted savages cos we are way more tolerant."

Well, in modern secualr states they ARE, generally speaking, way more tolerant. Bless their cotton sockses.

However, to GET them to be tolerant, we endured centuries of christian religious savagery, and fought to get their mitts off the ship of state, eh?

So - when some of us see the "christians are superior" stuff, we see historical red, (and many of us are damned worried about the likelihood of the current christian far right trying to get a damned bigoted theocracy going again!!!) and the same rather entrenched debate starts again.


Whaddayouthink?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 01:36 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Proteinn wrote:
Well... I wonder why the US has "good relations" with Saudi Arabia then if they are ruled by such tyrants? I thought the US was against tyrants and crushed them on sight.

Not at all. We only crush them when there is some other reason to. When their only flaw is totalitarianism, we confine our disapproval to persuasion.


Ah Brandon - one assumes you are trolling - but your sort of expressed attitude is what makes many people desire to see the US crushed like a cigarette butt on the green grass of history.

And I quite LIKE America and Americans, in general!
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 01:41 am
dlowan wrote:
tommrr wrote:
dlowan,
Yours wasn't the reaction I was questioning. I have some other in mind.


Lol! Well, here is my analysis of why the left and right get into endless wrangles re this stuff.

Some righties here delight in posting really quite nasty and prejudiced stuff about Muslims, right?

The "opposition" get peed off with the tone and the inaccurate generalisations. Still with me?

So - they defend Muslims from unfair attack - generally while having very little sympathy for religion generally, and religious fanatics in particular. Some of them get really upset, and use less than temperate language against the Muslim bashers.

The anti-Muslim folk do a "Oh my god!! You are defending terrorists and murderers!!! You are nothing but a terrorist and murderer yourself!!! The sky is falling!!! You murdering bastards!!! You traitorous etc." Well, you get the picture....


This kinda tends to lead to people fighting hotly - and taking more extreme positions than usual. And all sorts of folk weigh in - and there is more heat than light. Right?

The other nasty thing I notice creeping in lately is a kind of "Christians are decent and civilised and tolerant - while those Muslims are bad and evil and be-nighted savages cos we are way more tolerant."

Well, in modern secualr states they ARE, generally speaking, way more tolerant. Bless their cotton sockses.

However, to GET them to be tolerant, we endured centuries of christian religious savagery, and fought to get their mitts off the ship of state, eh?

So - when some of us see the "christians are superior" stuff, we see historical red, (and many of us are damned worried about the likelihood of the current christian far right trying to get a damned bigoted theocracy going again!!!) and the same rather entrenched debate starts again.


Whaddayouthink?

I think you have pretty well nailed it. Smartest darned rabit I've encountered. It always is the right vs. the left...it can get entertaining for those of us here in the middle.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 01:43 am
Lol!!!! In most countries, I AM the middle, too!!!

I guess the rest of my point is that people then perceive each other as having positions quite different from those they actually hold.

I detest Muslim fanaticism, for example - (and sometimes get accused of prejudice against Islam - which is likely true) but many ultra righties here would probably believe in their hearts that I support terrorism! Simply because I am against the Iraq war.

I very warmly applaud those fighting for more tolerance within Islam - and especially for women's rights.

It is great to see these moderate and challenging voices coming from within Islam - and there are many of them. Current western and Islamic hysteria - and the freezing of positions between Islam and the west - tends to drown them out - unless you look hard.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 12:57 pm
The correctness of this author's message is so self evident and refreshing that one can only forlornly ask...........why don't we see the same response from the entire moderate Muslim community? Such a unified response would certainly reduce the animosity against all Muslims in this country
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 06:17 pm
Dare I say it? Dare I?

Hypocrisy

/spelling nazi

Cycloptichorn
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:13 pm
The author's essay was quite refreshing.

I hope with each bit of increased freedom and education about the world around them--more Muslims will throw off hatred.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:59 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Dare I say it? Dare I?

Hypocrisy

/spelling nazi

Cycloptichorn

Thank you.
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