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So whats a filibuster again?

 
 
Tyrius
 
Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 08:49 pm
I was listening to NPR on the ride home today and i was hearing people about wether a minority party can use a filibuster to delay a vote or something like that. What is a filibuster actually and how is one performed?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:00 pm
Originally, the term filibuster was applied to Americans who illegally entered Texas to stake out land, and it comes from a Spanish term filibustero, which means a freebooter (sort of a cross between a pirate and a mercenary).

The Louisiana and Arkansas filibusters hemmed and hawed and delayed whenever confronted by a Mexican official, trying to talk so long and so randomly that the Mexican official would give up in disgust and go away. The term entered the language to mean anyone who just talked on and on in order to avoid dealing with officialdom.

In the Congress, the filibuster became a tactic to delay a close vote. If one of the parties did not have enough votes to block the passage of a bill (or as in the case in the Senate right now, to block a vote on a nomination), then they would take the floor and just talk endlessly, and would try to talk into the middle of the night, when there wasn't a quorum (the minimum number of members of a house of the Congress who must be present for a legitimate vote), at which time they would yield the floor to another member, who would continue to talk. The object was to wear down the opposition, and to try to get them either to cut a deal, or to marshall sufficient public support to defeat the passage of the bill or the nomination. Notorious filibusters came during the Civil Rights era, when "Dixiecrats" (Southern Democrats) would prevent a vote on civil rights measures by filibusterting. They would read the newspaper aloud, including the classified ads, even read the phone book aloud.

It is a notorious practice, universally condemned--which is to say, Republicans condemn it when Democrats use it against them, and Democrats condemn it when Republicans use it against them.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:07 pm
They just had this on NPR the other day with a true etymologist ( who says English majors dont get jobs).
The origin was flibeteur , meaning pirate, then the word became basterdized to mean an individual who was a pirate. The rest of the story is as set has sprach.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:12 pm
From Wikipedia:

Under Senate rules, the speech need not be relevant to the topic under discussion, and there have been cases in which a senator has undertaken part of a speech by reading from a telephone directory. Legendary segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond set a record in 1964 by filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 24 hours and 18 minutes. Thurmond broke the previous record of 22 hours and 26 minutes set by Wayne Morse (I-OR) in 1953 protesting the Tidelands Oil legislation.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:34 pm
This is from the Senate website.
(It seems like every European language used "filibuster" for pirate. :wink: )
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm

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Filibuster and Cloture



Using the filibuster to delay or block legislative action has a long history. The term filibuster -- from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- became popular in the 1850s, when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent a vote on a bill.

In the early years of Congress, representatives as well as senators could filibuster. As the House of Representatives grew in numbers, however, revisions to the House rules limited debate. In the smaller Senate, unlimited debate continued on the grounds that any senator should have the right to speak as long as necessary on any issue.

In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate's right to unlimited debate.

Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as "cloture." The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the current one hundred senators.

Many Americans are familiar with the filibuster conducted by Jimmy Stewart, playing Senator Jefferson Smith in Frank Capra's film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but there have been some famous filibusters in the real-life Senate as well. During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used the filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor. The Louisiana senator frustrated his colleagues while entertaining spectators with his recitations of Shakespeare and his reading of recipes for "pot-likkers." Long once held the Senate floor for fifteen hours. The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957.
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Tyrius
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:35 pm
Thats interesting. How could they stop someone from speaking?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:37 pm
Someone could move a vote of cloture . . . which means that debate would be cut off. However, the minority party could claim that it was a violation of procedural rules . . .

They'd just fight it out like the dirty dogs they is . . .
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Tyrius
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:40 pm
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 09:42 pm
You got that right boss . . . to quote Mr. Samuel Clemens:

Suppose I were a member of Congress; suppose I were an idiot--but then, i repeat myself.
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