IRAQ WAR PICTURES (not for the faint hearted)

Re: IRAQ WAR PICTURES (not for the faint hearted)

not2know wrote:

The Iraq War Pictures, NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED!!!

The Iraq War Pictures

"If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war". ~Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War

The powers that be here will take these photos down I predict. They are pretty graphic. I personally agree that people need to see them and understand what "collateral damage" actually is, but I don't expect this thread to stay up long.

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Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

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woiyo wrote:

Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

We've seen plenty of that too, as well we should. Don't defend the results of this war shown in these pictures however, by pointing out the lack of pictures more flattering to "our side". No one is denying that American (and other)soldiers in the field help children and civilians and do heroic things. I suspect American soldiers have also been shown kindnesses by Iraqis as well.

That does not in the least however, lessen the tragedy and uselessness of the deaths and carnage pictured here and that is the point of this post.

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I cant believe i think this but they dont look real.Momentarily shocking because they are real, then they look like special effects.

It shouldnt be a matter of HOW people die, more the fact that people die because of wars.

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woiyo wrote:

Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

Fake beheading video: FBI promises heads will roll

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

We've seen plenty of that too, as well we should. Don't defend the results of this war shown in these pictures however, by pointing out the lack of pictures more flattering to "our side". No one is denying that American (and other)soldiers in the field help children and civilians and do heroic things. I suspect American soldiers have also been shown kindnesses by Iraqis as well.

That does not in the least however, lessen the tragedy and uselessness of the deaths and carnage pictured here and that is the point of this post.

Having fought in War, I have seen this up close and personal. Yet, web sites like the one you reference show the obvious result of any war...people die. Yet, this web/propaganda site does not tell the story in any context. Are some of these deaths as a result of "Muslims" killing their own through car bombings, suicide bombings ??? Don't know and frankly don't care.

One can debate the resons for going in, the handling of the campaign, the expectations of the campaign, but to show pictures of the results, is just stating the obvious and another cheap attempt by those who refuse to debate the issue (i refer to the web site, not you Blue).

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I don't know woiyo, think if everyone had to view this up close and personal, see it, smell it, get close enough to touch it, before declaring or going to war. It might change things. I think that idea trumps any political or propaganda motive.

I'm sorry you had to view it up close.

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Re: IRAQ WAR PICTURES (not for the faint hearted)

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

The powers that be here will take these photos down I predict. They are pretty graphic. I personally agree that people need to see them and understand what "collateral damage" actually is, but I don't expect this thread to stay up long.

I don't think the "powers that be" have ever locked a thread because it contained a link to graphic photos. The only times that threads have been shut down and "cleansed" is when the graphic images were pasted directly in the thread.

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Re: IRAQ WAR PICTURES (not for the faint hearted)

joefromchicago wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:
The powers that be here will take these photos down I predict. They are pretty graphic. I personally agree that people need to see them and understand what "collateral damage" actually is, but I don't expect this thread to stay up long.

I don't think the "powers that be" have ever locked a thread because it contained a link to graphic photos. The only times that threads have been shut down and "cleansed" is when the graphic images were pasted directly in the thread.

that is a distinction, and a clear one, and I humbly defer.

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not2know wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

Fake beheading video: FBI promises heads will roll

What's your point? Do you have one?

To think the pictures of the after math of war are going to stop war is wrong. The people we are fighting don't care about anything other then killing. Even if they kill their own people they have said it is necessary in Jihad. source

Do we stop fighting these people because we don't have the stomach for it? That is part of the reason we got into the position we were in on 9/11. They knew we didn't have the stomach before so they got bolder until almost 3000 people lost their lives. I don't wish to see us become weak again. If you can't don't like the results then don't fight in the war leave it to those who can!

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Baldimo wrote:

not2know wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

Fake beheading video: FBI promises heads will roll

Baldimo wrote:

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What's your point? Do you have one?

Baldimo wrote:

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To think the pictures of the after math of war are going to stop war is wrong. The people we are fighting don't care about anything other then killing. Even if they kill their own people they have said it is necessary in Jihad.

Oh, so you think it is only the "people we are fighting" that are doing the killing. Why do you think that the U.S. went over there? It wasn't for a friendly visit. People were killed! May I remind you that your own forces have come under "friendly fire" at times as well. Face it. Killing is being done by everyone involved in this war. Wars are like that. Sometimes going to war in unavoidable. This one was avoidable.

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Baldimo wrote:

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Do we stop fighting these people because we don't have the stomach for it? That is part of the reason we got into the position we were in on 9/11. They knew we didn't have the stomach before so they got bolder until almost 3000 people lost their lives. I don't wish to see us become weak again.

Wrong war...wrong people. It was not Iraq that attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001. That is why your army went into Afghanistan to track down OBL. Remember him?

Baldimo wrote:

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If you can't don't like the results then don't fight in the war leave it to those who can!

Do you think that all of the young men and women that are involved in this war have the stomach for it as well? Do you really think that every one of them would say yes if you asked if it was right? Do you think that they enjoy killing and seeing their pals killed?

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Baldimo wrote:

not2know wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Where is the pix of the American who got his head chopped off?

How about the pix of the GI helping the Iraqi child?

Oh, never mind. Objectivity is not present here.

Fake beheading video: FBI promises heads will roll

What's your point? Do you have one?

To think the pictures of the after math of war are going to stop war is wrong. The people we are fighting don't care about anything other then killing. Even if they kill their own people they have said it is necessary in Jihad. source

Do we stop fighting these people because we don't have the stomach for it? That is part of the reason we got into the position we were in on 9/11. They knew we didn't have the stomach before so they got bolder until almost 3000 people lost their lives. I don't wish to see us become weak again. If you can't don't like the results then don't fight in the war leave it to those who can!

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as you are?

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Oh, so you think it is only the "people we are fighting" that are doing the killing. Why do you think that the U.S. went over there? It wasn't for a friendly visit. People were killed! May I remind you that your own forces have come under "friendly fire" at times as well. Face it. Killing is being done by everyone involved in this war. Wars are like that. Sometimes going to war in unavoidable. This one was avoidable.

I think you missed my point.

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Wrong war...wrong people. It was not Iraq that attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001. That is why your army went into Afghanistan to track down OBL. Remember him?

Yes I remember him; I'm going to Afghanistan at the beginning of the year.

We never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11. It is one of those things that the left has repeated for the last several years, which isn't true. You repeat it enough and people begin to believe it.

We claimed Saddam had links to terrorism, which was true. His people had meetings with OBL's people. He gave money to people's families who murdered Israeli citizens in dance clubs and on buses.

We also claimed Saddam had WMD's which turned out to be wrong due to faulty intelligence.

We also claimed that he shot at and tried to down US and British planes over the no fly zones. This has been proven and is also seen as an act of war during a treaty.

We also claimed Saddam tortured his people and was a general asshole when it came to the civil rights of his people, which has been proven true due to the mass graves we have found in different parts of the country.

These were all reasons listed for going into Iraq.

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Do you think that all of the young men and women that are involved in this war have the stomach for it as well?

I can't speak for them. They are there and they are doing their job that is what counts. They are far better people then the cowards who turned tail and ran when they were told they had to go.

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Do you really think that every one of them would say yes if you asked if it was right?

I don't think everyone of them would say yes, but I'm willing to bet most of them would. I know a vast majority of the people in my unit support Bush as well as going on our up coming mission. We aren't happy about having to leave our families but we all know we have a job to do.

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Do you think that they enjoy killing and seeing their pals killed?

I don't really think any one enjoys killing, except the enemy we fight. You can tell this by the fashion in which they blow up car bombs on city streets regardless of who is around and cut people's heads off.

No one likes seeing their battle buddies die, but as has already been stated it is a fact of war. Most of us don't go to kill other people; most us go to complete a mission and watch our battle buddies back. I know I will be very sad if one of my buddies dies but it is a fact of war.

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