Reincarnation?

No, you can see nothing about me, because you have already conditioned yourself to see what it is that you expect to see. And, you needn't assume that you are hated, although i know that the religiously fanatical really get off on the idea of martyrdom.

You are frankly, not that important to me. I enjoy this web site, and will very likely continue to do so for a long time to come. I have the right, and reserve the right, to comment on anything i see posted here. That means i must be prepared to take a great deal of heat if i post nonsense. If i don't consider what i post nonsense, i must be prepared to demonstrate what i post to be reasonable, to be plausible. The same applies to you, like it or not.

Got a link for the specific page you're on about here, or are you hoping that we'll all just wander around that charlatan's side show, and get sucked in, as you were, and stop questioning your premises?

I see; If you cant prove something is true, it then has even less validity if you cant prove its not true. Come on people. If you think we are the only intel life in the universe. Or life period, You need to check your math. Last I checked the mathematical odds were staggering. And physical proof also exists of various crash debris which is in the possession of the us government is real. People have died for knowing too much and others have been threatened. Reality check. Why would a 4,000 year old painting have an aircraft in it. Aircraft were not stored in the visual cortex of these men and therefore could not have been painted without that hologram available to them.

a) They saw aircraft.

b) They dreamed about the future and used that hologram after awake

c) any other opinions?

Right there, here's a golden opportunity for you to accomplish one, small simple act of proof. Provide us an image of what you claim is a 4000 year old painting, and for the age of which established, reputable archaeologists will vouch, and in which you claim the "aircraft" can unambiguously be seen.

Can you go that far? Can you produce that one, small, simple proof?

Oh. My. Gawd.

Are you really going to use that movie as a reference to back you up?

Did you happen to see the fiasco about it being put out by a cult, masquerading it as a quasi "documentary"--complete with someone channeling the thoughts of the dead-- some ancient dude dead thousands of years....

Are you really asking us to go there?

It appears perhaps you're accustomed to discussing these issues with lightweights or people who accept whatever you have today.

You insult the intelligence of the people here to use this movie, which was found to have been financed by a cult, to backup your claims...

Awake! Let your message Ascend to a Higher level! Really, sir...

A few reviews on the movie below, and believe it or not this is relatively tame to some of the stuff I've seen written about the movie. It appears that the part that bugged most people is the cult tried to hide that they were involved in making the movie, and raped science by having several poseur "experts" in the film.

http://media.orkut.com/articles/r0137.html

"Turns out there were more psychics than physicists producing and starring in the film delivering these insights. Specifically: members of a doomsday cult centered upon the blond lady, who actually turns out to be JZ Knight, a channeler who claims to be speaking in the voice of Ramtha, a 35,000-year-old warrior king. In "Bleep," JZ Knight's voice sounds increasingly like Tia Carrerre's in "Kull the Conqueror" as Ramtha grips her soul. The accent comes and goes, maybe depending on Ramtha signal strength. Supposedly Ramtha's not from Atlantis but from a neighboring island, which has often been overlooked. Think of it as the ancient sunken city-state version of New Jersey. "


http://www.phys.uregina.ca/pss/?q=node/7

"So after a little bit of digging I learned that yes, in fact, this movie was completely financed, filmed, produced, and directed by a cult. The cult being led by the person most interviewed in the movie, a woman named J. Z. Knight who believes she is channeling some long-dead Seer of Atlantis.
Yoiks.
So we all went and we were all frightened. Not only did the makers of this movie completely rape quantum physics, they used the idea of science and the scientists who appeared to justify the underlying theme of this movie...which was basically: Join our cult!
The movie did have some cool effects and some good ideas for how to live your life...but it doesn't excuse what they did."

Insanity.

Its actually cool. I think I have witnessed a certain strain of insanity in its purest form.

Just a meaningless bit of information. It translates to: You are not where you think you are, but you can be where you want to be.

The secrets of the kingdom of YAH will astonish you even more because Yeshua, in the bible, has claimed to do these things which were done in the "blink" movie. If you believe the Bible you must then accept the assertions as possible.

Separate the fact from fiction first. Then Provide proof sources that this is a cult commercial. Produced by 20th century fox. Then e-mail the Professors what you think of their work. You will only slow your own advancement.





Electron orbitals in molecules is a wrong assumption. Spin characteristics in free space yes, but they are an illusion of the phase (harmonic) basis for quantum potential between coalesced moments of space.

The magic that it leads to is that all the levels of spatial physicality conform to the axioms of the natural space matrix geometry.
If the octahedral lattice of the basic geometry is realized as the hyper-space vector (180 degree static electric) field and the tetra lattice is seen as the dynamic (120 degree magnetic) vector field, the answer is very academic. The radian sine divisor of the two equals the fine structure constant.
It is an interesting observation that the math basis for quantum calculations is abstracted through and through. For instance all of the energy data is based on Cartesian coordinates where space is measured by the cube, a dimensional format that cannot be found anywhere in
natural space. If you correctly see the tetrahedron as an energy vector field and compare it to the volume of a square of the same vector unit edges, taking in account the permittivity of vacuum space, its volume proportions exactly equal Planck's constant.
I limit my work to the level of a basic quantum potential. At that level I can show how every aspect of quantum data MUST CONFORM to the geometry of the natural space matrix. From that conformity I can demonstrate a complete and applicable hyper-dimensional mechanics.
If spatial contexts exist in parallel coalescence, then the tetrahedron - which is the dynamic moment aspect of them - will cause them all to have a 30 degree discrepancy from one context to the next. Look at the basics of chemical valence in eight octaves of the 720 degree two-phase periodic chart. The 90 degree phases and elements, and the 120 degree phases and electron negativity are 30 degrees out of phase; they come into phase in seven steps of their increasing phase discrepancy. That is the secret for realizing the quantum potential.


http://velikovsky.collision.org/itb/index.htm,
www.holoscience.com/views/view_strange.htm, www.kronia.com,
www.ames.net/aeon/, www.knowledge.co.uk/sis/, www.flash.net/~cjransom/,
www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovskian/, www.bearfabrique.org,
www.grazian-archive.com/, www.holoscience.com,
http://lide.pruvodce.cz/velikovsky/itb/index.htm,
www.users.uswest.net/~dascott/Cosmology.htm,
www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/index.htm,
[email protected], [email protected]

...

Hey, why don't you transport yourself over here and talk to us in person?

I can give you my GPS numbers, latitude & longitude too.

But you probably already have that, right?

Are you a member of the cult?

Its cool if you are, I think there's quite a few cult members on here.

Look I'm just a man who has done something amazing. I have seen the most awesome things happen because I dont have any pre-conceived notions. I have unbreachable faith, I have helped people and will help more... and I have been asked by YAH to heal during the tribulation. In return for my loyalty and faith it seems YAH has allowed me to peak at the power of the blessings he can bestow.

The point is that if you are really listening to my message on this and other threads, you will know that I have not tried to get anyone to join a cult. The answers are not far, do not run over there to find answers, and do not scurry over here for them, they are closer than you know.
Yeshua told us something like that and we all should listen.

Wooo hooooo . . .

He cites Velikovsky . . . full bull goose loony, i'm tellin' ya . . .

Say, Puglia, will you go over for us again about how Venus came out of the interior of Jupiter, and, passing several times past the earth, caused the Mosaic plagues, and caused the earth to stand still for Joshuah at the battle for Jericho . . . that's one a them fairy tales i just can't get enough of . . .

Are you Jesus? Are you from some form or lineage of messiahs or spiritual masters?

Are you reincarnated from spiritual leaders from the past?

What are some amazing things you have done, you who have been Chosen by YAH?

You know, if you check out that list of links he's provided, you can see how someone has taken L Ron Hubbard's mystic mumbo-jumbo scam, and raised it to a higher level . . .

I followed those links, EM, and got caught up in goofin' off the trailers for the movie. Then, when i came back and started to read again, lo and behold, mine eye fell on the name Velikovsky . . .

We're off an runnin' now, folks . . .

I can hardly wait to see what kind of **** hits the fan if Brandon comes back here . . .

LOL.

I was afraid if I clicked on one of the links my monitor might go poof!

It blew me out of the water when he used the movie as a source.

I mean, thats like "Well I saw it on the cartoons Saturday morning, they're doing stuff like I am if you don't believe me."

Actually the cartoons are a smidgen better because at least cults aren't producing them. One hopes.

The Velikovsky nailed it down for me, and at the bottom was a catastrophism link . . . Velikovsky is the "father" of catastrophism . . .

Carl Sagan remarked that he read Velikovsky (World's in Collision, 1951), and knew the astronomy to be absolute crap, but was impressed by his knowlege of ancient middle-eastern history and literature. He then tells how he was at a faculty party, and speaking to an historian, when the subject of Velikovsky came up, and the historian remarked that he had been impressed by Velikovsky's obvious command of astronomy, but that the history and literature were absolute crap.

There are some things to be said against specialization . . .

I had to look up Velikovsky as a reminder. Some scientists comment on Veliskovsky:

"Reading something they can understand, that seems to make sense, that presents itself as technically competent, non-scientists are easily gulled by fake science." --Henry H. Bauer

"The less one knows about science, the more plausible Velikovsky's scenario appears...." --Leroy Ellenberger

"I would not trust any alleged citation by Velikovsky without checking the original printed sources." -- Michael Friedlander

This is not looking good.

Its bizarre. The one thing I will say is that its amazing the certainty with which some people believe in their fantasy. There is no question in their mind.

Part of me actually wonders if we are witnessing full blown psychoses here? Seriously.

I mean, there is more evidence pointing toward psychoses here than normalcy. Well I will say that he can write mostly coherent sentences. But other than that...

I heard one difference between a neurotic and a psychotic is the neurotic is aware something is wrong with himself.

Where is Brandon when you need him? We need to call in the experts on this one.

I must get out of here before this stuff affects my dreams...

G'nite Set, thanks for the reminder on the Vel. dude.

There is indeed nothing new under the sun. Do a web search on L Ron Hubbard, and always check the bottom of the page first, be suspicious--if the site is at all affiliated with Scientology, go to a different site.

Hubbard paved the way for so many cults to come, by a judicious mixture of the plausible and the outrageous, created the "Church" of Scientology. What we have here is Hubbard redux . . .

A Scientology "missionary" was in a bar once where i and my friends were having a few beers, and he came over and insinuated himself into the group. He began his crap, and i grew suspicious, and soon asked him outright if he were a "Scientologist." In under a minute, he grew desparate, and then took a pilsner glass and broke it on the edge of the table, and advanced toward me with the glass pointed at my throat. I looked him dead in the eye as he came around the table, made my judgement, and then reached out, took the wrist holding the glass and twisted his arm behind his back. I then body-slammed him into the wall. My friends ran up and grabbed me and hustled him out the door. It took me more than an hour to explain to them that his every move, including the crap with the beer glass, had been calculated, and a part of a technique he had been taught. His only problem was that i'm an inherent coward, who therefore happens to get very angry and lose all sense of proportion when threatened. His biggest mistake had been to leave me even one second to judge his intent.

Read up on old L Ron Hubbard, its an eye-opener on the genesis of modern psycho-babble cults.

Yes, I should read more on Hubbard.

Definitely one of the Mothers of All Cults.

Some of the secrets involved with them. Some weird stuff. Hubbard was a crafty dude. They are a powerful crew too--lots of money and fingers are everywhere. Supposedly they used to make it really hard to leave the group? Like they would try to get secrets on your personal life to use against you if you ever wanted to leave. Check out this list of former or present Scientologists:

Kirstie Alley, actress
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman
William S. Burroughs, author, Beat Generation icon (later denounced Scientology)
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor
Courtney Love, musician and widow of Kurt Cobain
Charles Manson, serial killer who joined Scientology in prison before starting his own cult
Van Morrison, singer, songwriter (later repudiated Scientology)
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Priscilla Presley, actress
Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly (http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebcrit.html#sharonstone) now a convert to Buddhism)
Patrick Swayze, actor
John Travolta, actor

Why did the dude come at you with the bottle? I don't quite get that one? A ruse that he wasn't a Scientologist?

-signing off for now.