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Insurgents, Terrorists or what????

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 08:07 pm
Re: Insurgents, Terrorists or what????
joefromchicago wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
That is what I'm saying. Terrorists do not have the best objectives or intent in what they do.

According to whom?

Baldimo wrote:
Can we agree that blowing up people standing in line for a job is a bad thing? Can we agree that blowing up a car bomb during the busy part of the day to kill people who are shopping and then waiting for the police to show up and then blowing up another car bomb are also bad? How do actions such as this benefit the Iraqi population?

Depends on who you ask.

Baldimo wrote:
I will say it again in case you missed it. When you target civilians for the express purpose of killing them then that does not make you a patriot. It makes you a killer. If you were only attacking the police (who are already trained) or the military then that is a different story.

So the members of the US air force that bombed civilians in Iraq are killers, not patriots, right?


You are expressing moral realtivism and I don't play that game. How about you offer up your explaination of what the difference is.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 10:27 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I didn't want to have a grey area because I knew it would just confuse you more.

When it comes to confusion, McG, I am the victim, you are the carrier.

McGentrix wrote:
You were hung up on the word "good" and the need for an objective standard. I do not think we could agree on one for good, but I felt we could agree that there was an objective standard for evil. So, in the black and white world of good and evil, what is not evil must be good, thus we can create a standard for good - That which is not evil.

It's not necessary to come up with an objective standard of "good;" it is only necessary to come up with an objective standard of patriotism. You have implied, however, that patriotism is always "good" in an objective sense, so it is up to you either to come up with a standard of "good" by which to measure patriotism or else come up with an objective standard of patriotism that eschews any notion of "goodness."

McGentrix wrote:
I'm sorry you were not able to seperate that from the rest of my response. I'm not surprised that you failed to see the logic, as you probably read it as all one response.

Framing it all as one response undoubtedly led me to read it all as one response. How careless of me. Next time, when you want to split up your responses into discreet logical packets, you should indicate the divisions with some kind of marker, such as a series of asterisks
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 10:32 pm
Re: Insurgents, Terrorists or what????
Baldimo wrote:
You are expressing moral realtivism and I don't play that game. How about you offer up your explaination of what the difference is.

I am not expressing moral relativism, for the simple reason that I don't think patriotism has anything to do with morality. It is, in other words, an amoral concept. You, on the other hand, see patriotism as having some sort of relation to morality, in that you believe that patriotism is, in some sense, "good." As such, I have no reason to offer any explanation regarding the relationship between patriotism and "goodness" -- I don't see any relationship at all (at least in an objective sense). You, on the other hand, must explain the relationship as long as you view patriotism as "good."
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