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Why is "You're gay!" such an insult?

 
 
Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:29 pm
Why is this the number one insult to say to a guy?

I started a thread yesterday wherein I explained that I was sad that my buddy who had worked beside me for the past five years had just left after finishing his last day there...which, of course, turned into a bunch of guys on the site ridiculing me and calling me gay. I, of course, responded by calling all of them gay.

I am pretty sure none of us were really offended by it, either. We were just having fun being dicks to each other, that's all.

Then dlowan said this...

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In all seriousness, what on EARTH is it that evokes this "you're gay" stuff from you guys?


This is an interesting question.

Others pointed out that it has just become a generic insult, and it has nothing to do with how homophobic society is, and I think that makes some sense. But that doesn't really answer the question that dlowan asked, now does it? Why? Why is it the number one insult that guys use on each other?

I guess my answer would have to be, "because it works." It's emasculating, and if you can get all your buddies to gang up on one person relentlessly, even if he's just finished banging the hottest girl on the planet, if you're real lucky, you might just get him to cry.

And why does it work? Because no straight guy wants other people thinking that he is weak, or feminine, or otherwise girlie...at all. And the word "gay" personifies all those things, in the mind of the straight man.

Am I right?

DISCLAIMER: If you are gay, or bisexual, or otherwise sensitive to this issue, and are offended, I apologize. I understand that it is insulting to gay people, and I do sympathize with you. I'm just trying to be honest, in hopes of finding the answer to dlowan's question.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:38 pm
Frankly, kicky, I had never thought much about that, but you're right, I guess among men, it is something to consider, but truthfully, I don't think women really care.
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:41 pm
Re: Why is "You're gay!" such an insult?
kickycan wrote:
And why does it work? Because no straight guy wants other people thinking that he is weak, or feminine, or otherwise girlie...at all. And the word "gay" personifies all those things, in the mind of the straight man.

I think you're stretching it a bit, Kicky.

I'd say, although I can't prove it, that no insecure straight guy wants other people thinking that he is gay, weak, or feminine.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:44 pm
I didn't realize that it was the #1 insult for men. Or at least, I didn't think it was the worst inslut for men over the age of 18.
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:55 pm
Insecure men...
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 12:59 pm
Oh jesus. So my whole premise is bullshit? Is that what you're saying? I don't think it is, but then again, I'm immature and insecure...
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:02 pm
No one thinks that your premise is bullshit, kicky. Although I can't speak for Deb, I think she meant for you to ask yourself most of the questions.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:12 pm
Well, I did. And that is what I came up with. And I don't think I'm much different than most guys in this.

I don't think I stretched it at all, either. As for joking around, of course it doesn't bother me, because it's just screwing around. And that's mostly what I was talking about.

But when it comes to real insults...yeah, that's what a lot of guys go for. Okay, so maybe it isn't the number one insult, but if there is a situation where two guys are fighting, the chances are very good that one of them will go for the "you're gay" shot.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:19 pm
littlek wrote:
I didn't realize that it was the #1 insult for men. Or at least, I didn't think it was the worst inslut for men over the age of 18.


Okay, maybe I overstated that. Just trying to make a point.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:21 pm
Not that there's anything wrong with that - (Sienfeld tv show)
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:22 pm
Kicky, if someone uses this phrase "you're gay" in
an argument, than it just shows where the other person
is hauling from. Only a bigot and insecure person
himself would use such a term to discredit others, right?

So the right answer would be: "Yeah I am a real man and
admit to being gay in certain situations other than sexual".

That would leave the other guy certainly speechless.
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:22 pm
kickycan wrote:
Oh jesus. So my whole premise is bullshit? Is that what you're saying?


Umm.... maybe? I dunno. I wasn't expecting that response. To disgaree with you (and only slightly, really) is to call your ideas "bullshit"?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:25 pm
I wasn't responding to you specifically smog. It seemed that the combination of you and littlek had shot down the whole thing before it got started. Sorry.

<edit: took "Letty" out of that list, since she didn't really shoot it down at all>
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:28 pm
Thank you for your response, CJ, but I'm really more interested in the "why" than a way to respond to it.

I don't need any help in that area. Trust me, I can handle myself when it comes to dishing out insults.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:36 pm
I gave you the "why" too kicky.
To me "being gay" is an insult to discredit the other and
make them feel inferior.

In doing so, the perpetrator shows his own securities
and inabilities to stand up to an opponent.
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:38 pm
No worries, Kicky.

I just meant to say that it's not the case for all guys to use "gay" as an insult or be insulted by it. Yes, it does happen a lot, and more often than I'd like it to. But I still don't think it's universal. Your point was well taken, but I was just trying to say that you might have overstated it a bit, which you then even said yourself. I guess I should've been a bit clearer myself, but it seems we're cool now.

Your reason for "why" is probably pretty accurate, saying that some straight men don't want to feel weak. And these men do tend to want to appear more macho when around other men, which makes being called gay around those other men even worse.

Other men in those situations, though, will still not be bothered in the slightest. That makes me think that it also has something to do with the personalities and qualities of the men who do feel insulted, since it's not universal, which I probably oversimplified by saying this is due only to insecurity. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it needs to be caused by something, and I'd guess that self-image has a lot to do with it.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:44 pm
Kicky--

I agree with your analysis--particularly when the word "men" is modified by "immature and insecure". Remember than charming little iconoclast from Centerburg who thought "gay" as an insult was high-level discourse?

Supporting your point of view, the immature and insecure men are the men who will accuse a woman who ignores or spurns their mating calls of being a Lesbian--or even worse...horrors!....a bull dyke Lesbian.

I suppose it comes from having vulnerable dangly bits.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:57 pm
I'm sorry kicky, for my part in the shoot down - that wasn't my intention at all!
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 02:01 pm
Dude, don't be so sensitive. What are you, gay?













(I think that answer's obvious, ain't it? Question is, what's the deal with homophobia?)
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 03:24 pm
As Slappy asked in the original thread that started all this, "Homophobic is what...'scared of gays?'"
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