Setanta wrote:In fact, there was a long series of exchanges between Tico and i on the content of the Hanson article he had posted, which you might have noted if you came here with any other purpose than to spew contempt at members. You've added nothing except a witless and uniformed comment about the battleships at Pearl Harbor, which demonstrated how little you know of the subject.
You made a rather large deal, in your usual way, over a passing comment I made to McTag in reference to his rather silly statement about the structure of the WTC.
I really don't
care what you think about much of anything. Especially about my posts or my interactions with other members. You have an especially irritating haughtiness about your posts that I find both revolting and disgusting. It seems that you have an opinion of yourself that you somehow know everything and are the end-all, be-all poster on A2K when all you really are is a joke, and a rather sick joke at that.
Now, you go have a good day.
Cycloptichorn wrote:Heh, I thought I was the only one who had noticed that today, set
Why don't you cowboy up and try making some posts of substance, McG? They generally aren't too bad - when you try.
Cycloptichorn
I observed quite a while ago that McG seems to come here only as a provocateur. I continue to believe that his purpose in posting is the hope that he will elicit a response which will at the least make the respondant look bad, and at best (from his point of view) get them banned. I don't for a moment believe that his purpose has ever been a discussion of or debate about the merits of any idea.
Set, I believe you have identified McG's goals; and it's not about debate. His style eludes common sense and logic.
1996
January: In Kizlyar, 350 Chechen militants took 3,000 hostages in a hospital. The attempt to free them kills 65 civilians and soldiers.
January 31: Central Bank Bombing in Sri Lanka kills 90 and wounds 1,400.
February 9: IRA bombs the South Quay DLR station, killing two people.
May 19: Bin Laden left Sudan -- where he had escaped at least one assassination attempt -- significantly weakened despite his ambitious organization skills, and returned to Afghanistan where he established al Qaeda training bases.
June 15: Manchester bombing by IRA.
June 25: Khobar Towers bombing.
July 27: Centennial Olympic Park bombing, killing one and wounding 111.
A series of four suicide bombings in Israel leave 60 dead and 284 wounded within 10 days.
1997
February 24: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine".
November 17: Luxor Massacre – Islamist gunmen attack tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 62 people, most of them European and Japanese vacationers.
December 22: Acteal massacre – 46 killed while praying in Acteal, Chiapas, Mexico. A paramilitary group associated with ex-president Salinas is held responsible.
1998
January : Wandhama Massacre - 24 Kashmiri Pandits are massacred by Pakistan-backed insurgents in Indian controlled Kashmir city of Wandhama .
August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000.
August 15: Omagh bombing by the so-called "Real IRA" kills 29.
1999
January 3: Gunmen open fire on Shi'a Muslims worshipping in an Islamabad mosque, killing 16 people injuring 25.
April: David Copeland's nail bomb attacks against ethnic minorities and gays in London kill three people and injure over 160.
August 31 – September 22: Russian Apartment Bombings kills about 300 people, leading Russia into Second Chechen War.
December: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb US and Israeli tourists in Jordan and pick up 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
December 24: Indian Airlines Flight 814from Kathmandu, Nepal to Delhi, India is hijacked. One passenger is killed and some hostages are released. After negotiations between the Taliban and the Indian government, the last of the remaining hostages on board Flight 814 are released.
2000
German police foil Strasbourg cathedral bombing plot.
June 8: Stephen Saunders, a British Defense Attaché, was assassinated by Revolutionary Organization 17 November in Athens.
October 12: USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors.
2001
February 5: A bomb blast in Moscow's Byelorusskaya metro station injures 15 people.
August 9: A suicide bomber in Jerusalem kills seven and wounds 130 in the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing; Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
September 11: "9/11" -- [5 years, 4 months after Bin Laden left Sudan for Afghanistan and established al Qaeda training bases in Afghanistan] The attacks on September 11 kill almost 3,000 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.
Paris embassy attack plot foiled.
October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
October 20: US invades Afghanistan.
October 25: The pre-9/11 draft presidential directive on al Qaeda evolved into a new directive, National Security Presidential Directive 9, now titled "Defeating the Terrorist Threat to the United States." The directive was extended to a global war on terrorism, not just on al Qaeda. It also incorporated the President's determination not to distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them. It included a determination to use military force if necessary to end al Qaeda's sanctuary in Afghanistan. The new directive—formally signed on October 25 [2001], after the fighting in Afghanistan had already begun -- included new material followed by annexes discussing each targeted terrorist group. The United States would strive to eliminate all terrorist networks, dry up their financial support, and prevent them from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. The goal was the "elimination of terrorism as a threat to our way of life."
December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
Jewish Defense League plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, foiled.
Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.
December 20: Some al Qaeda fled Afghanistan and established al Qaeda training bases in northeastern Iraq.
2002
March 24: Twenty people die and 93 are injured in three bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.
March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Netanya suicide attack.
March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
May 8: Bus Attack in Karachi.
May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
June 14: Attack outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi.
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing 2 Israelis before being killed himself.
September 25: Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.
October 2002: Beltway Sniper Attacks around the Washington metropolitan area kill 10 people and leave the region paranoid for weeks, caused by domestic terrorists.
October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
October 12: Bali car bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
2003
February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal nightclub in Bogotá, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
March 20: US invades Iraq. At that time, al Qaeda controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northeastern Iraq on the Iranian border.
May 12: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
May 12: A truck bomb attack on a government building in the Chechen town of Znamenskoye kills 59.
May 14: As many as 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.
May 16: Casablanca Attacks by 12 bombers on five "Western and Jewish" targets in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead and over 100 injured. Attack attributed to a Moroccan al-Qaeda-linked group.
July 5: 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
August 1: An explosion at the Russian hospital in Mozdok in North Ossetia kills at least 50 people and injures 76.
August 19: Canal Hotel Bombing in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 22 people (including the top UN representative Sergio Vieira de Mello) and wounds over 100.
August 25: At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar.
August 29: Car bomb outside Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf, Iraq, kills more than 80 people, including SCIRI leader Sayed Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim.
September 3: A bomb blast on a passenger train near Kislovodsk in southern Russia kills seven people and injures 90.
October 4: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 21 and wounds 51 in a Haifa restaurant in the Maxim restaurant massacre.
October 15: A bomb is detonated by Palestinians against a US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing three Americans.
November 15 and November 20: Truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 57 and wounding 700 in the 2003 Istanbul Bombings.
December 5: Suicide bombers kill at least 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia
December 9: A blast in the center of Moscow kills six people and wounds at least 11.
2004
February 1: 109 Kurds are killed in 2 suicide bombings in Arbil, Iraq.
February 6: Bomb on Moscow Metro kills 41.
February 27: Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura.
March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160.
March 9: Attack of Istanbul restaurant in Turkey.
March 11: Coordinated bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, kills 191 people and injures more than 1,500.
April 21: Basra bombs in Iraq kill 74 and injure hundreds.
April 21: Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 5.
May 29: Al-Khobar massacres, in which Islamic militants kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
August 24: Russian airplane bombings kill 90.
August 31: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.
September 1 – 3: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead.
September 9: Jakarta embassy bombing, in which the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing eight people.
October 7: Sinai bombings: Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 34 and wounding 171, many of them Israeli and other foreign tourists.
December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 5 local employees.
December 12: A bombing at the Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines, kills 15.
2005
February 14: A car bomb kills former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri and 20 others in Beirut.
February 25: A suicide bombing in Tel Aviv kills 5 Israelis and undermines a weeks-old truce between the two sides.
February 28: About 125 Iraqis killed by a suicide car bomb outside a medical centre in Hilla, south of Baghdad.
March 19: Car bomb attack on theatre in Doha, Qatar, kills one Briton and wounds 12 others.
April: April 2005 terrorist attacks in Cairo – On April 7 a suicide bomber blows himself up in Cairo's Khan al Khalili market, killing three foreign tourists and wounding 17 others. In two further attacks on 30 April, suspected accomplices detonate a bomb and spray a tourist coach with gunfire.
May 7: Multiple bomb explosions across Myanmar's capital Rangoon kill 19 and injure 160.
June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 20 people.
June 12: Bombs explode in the Iranian cities of Ahvaz and Tehran, leaving 10 dead and 80 wounded days before the Iranian presidential election.
July 5: Six terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Toiba storm the Ayodhya Ram Janmbhomi complex in India. Before the terrorists could reach the main disputed site, they were shot down by Indian security forces. One devotee and two policemen were injured.
Wikinews has news related to this article:
Coordinated terrorist attack in LondonJuly 7: 7 July 2005 London bombings - Attacks on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 55+ people and injuring over 700, occur on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are believed by many to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.
July 12: Islamic Jihad takes responsibility for a suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel, which kills 5 people at a shopping mall.
July 16: A suicide bomber blows up an oil tanker in the predominantly Shiite town of Musayyib in Iraq, killing 98 people.
July 21: 21 July 2005 London bombings - Small explosions in 3 London Underground stations and 1 double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These 4 bombs were designed to cause as much damage at the 7 July 2005 London bombings but the explosive had deteriorated and failed to detonate.
July 23:Sharm el-Sheikh bombings: Car bombs explode at tourist sites in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, killing at least 88 and wounding more than 100.
2006?
April 20?: [5 years, 4 months after Bin Laden left Afghanistan and established al Qaeda training bases in Iraq]
Here are some simple stories, simply told, of firsthand experience, which have the ring of authenticity and truth about them:
August 05, 2005
"What Have We Done?"
As the blood of US soldiers continues to drain into the hot sands of Iraq over the last several days with at least 27 US soldiers killed and the approval rating for his handling of the debacle in Iraq dropping to an all-time low of 38%, Mr. Bush commented from the comforts of his ranch in Crawford, Texas today, "We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq."
Just a two hour drive away in Dallas, at the Veterans for Peace National Convention in Dallas, I'm sitting with a roomful of veterans from the current quagmire.
When asked what he would say to Mr. Bush if he had the chance to speak to him, Abdul Henderson, a corporal in the Marines who served in Iraq from March until May, 2003, took a deep breath and said, "It would be two hits-me hitting him and him hitting the floor. I see this guy in the most prestigious office in the world, and this guy says ?'bring it on.' A guy who ain't never been shot at, never seen anyone suffering, saying ?'bring it on?' He gets to act like a cowboy in a western movie
it's sickening to me."
The other vets with him nod in agreement as he speaks somberly
his anger seething.
One of them, Alex Ryabov, a corporal in an artillery unit which was in Iraq the first three months of the invasion, asked for some time to formulate his response to the same question.
"I don't think Bush will ever realize how many millions of lives he and his lackeys have ruined on their quest for money, greed and power," he says, "To take the patriotism of the American people for granted
the fact that people (his administration) are willing to lie and make excuses for you while you continue to kill and maim the youth of America and ruin countless families
and still manage to do so with a smile on your face."
Taking a deep breath to steady himself he continues as if addressing Bush first-hand; "You needs to resign, take the billions of dollars you've made off the blood and sweat of US service members
.all the suffering you've caused us, and put those billions of dollars into the VA to take care of the men and women you sent to be slaughtered. Yet all those billions aren't enough to even try to compensate all the people who have been affected by this."
These new additions to Veterans for Peace are actively living the statement of purpose of the organization, having pledged to work with others towards increasing public awareness of the costs of war, to work to restrain their government from intervening, overtly and covertly, in the internal affairs of other nations and to see justice for veterans and victims of war, among other goals.
I type furiously for three hours, trying to keep up with the stories each of the men shared
.about the atrocities of what they saw, and committed, while in Iraq.
Camilo Mejia, an army staff sergeant who was sentenced to a year in military prison in May, 2004 for refusing to return to Iraq after being home on leave, talks openly about what he did there:
"What it all comes down to is redemption for what was done there. I was turning ambulances away from going to hospitals, I killed civilians, I tortured guys
and I'm ashamed of that. Once you are there, it has nothing to do with politics
it has to do with you as an individual being there and killing people for no reason. There is no purpose, and now I'm sick at myself for doing these things. I kept telling myself I was there for my buddies. It was a weak reasoning
because I still shut my mouth and did my job."
Mejia then spoke candidly about why he refused to return:
"It wasn't until I came home that I felt it-how wrong it all was and that I was a coward for pushing my principles aside. I'm trying to buy my way back into heaven
and it's not so much what I did, but what I didn't do to stop it when I was there. So now it's a way of trying to undo the evil that we did over there. This is why I'm speaking out, and not going back. This is a painful process and we're going through it."
Camilo Mejia was then quick to point towards the success of his organization and his colleagues. "When I went back to Iraq in October of 2003, the Pentagon said there were 22 AWOL's. Five months later it was 500, and when I got out of jail that number was 5,000. These are the Pentagons' numbers for the military. Two things are significant here-the number went from 500-5,000 in 11 months, and these are the numbers from the Pentagon."
While the military is falling short of its recruitment goals across the board and the disaster in Iraq spiraling deeper into chaos with each passing day, these are little consolation for these men who have paid the price they've had to pay to be at this convention. They continue to pay, but at the same time stand firm in their resolve to bring an end to the occupation of Iraq and to help their fellow soldiers.
Ryabov then begins to tell of his unit firing the wrong artillery rounds which hit 5-10 km from their intended target.
"We have no idea where those rounds fell, or what they hit," he says quietly while two of the men hold their heads in their hands, "Now we've come to these realizations and we're trying to educate people to save them from going through the same thing."
After talking of the use of uranium munitions, of which Ryabov stated 300 tons of which were used in the '91 Gulf War, and 2,200 tons and counting having been used thus far in the current war, he adds, "We were put in a foreign country and fire artillery and kill people
and it shouldn't have even happened in the first place. It's hard to put into words the full tragedy of it-the death and suffering on both sides. I feel a grave injustice has been done and I'm trying to correct it. You do all these things and come back and think, ?'what have we done?' We just rolled right by an Iraqi man with a gunshot in his thigh and two guys near him waving white flags
.he probably bled to death."
Harvey Tharp sitting with us served in Kirkuk. His position of being in charge of some reconstruction projects in northern Iraq allowed him to form many close friendships with Iraqis
something that prompts him to ask me to tell more people of the generous culture of the Iraqi people. His friendships apparently brought the war much closer to home for him.
"What I concluded last summer when I was waiting to transfer to NSA was that not only were our reasons for being there lies, but we just weren't there to help the Iraqis. So in November of ?'04 I told my commander I couldn't take part in this. I would have been sent into Fallujah, and he was going to order me in to do my job. I also chose not to go back because the dropping of bombs in urban areas like Fallujah are a violation of the laws of warfare because of the near certainty of collateral damage. For me, seeing the full humanity of Iraqis made me realize I couldn't participate in these operations."
Tharp goes on to say that he believes there are still Vietnam vets who think that that was a necessary war and adds, "I think it's because that keeps the demons at bay for them to believe it is justified
this is their coping mechanism. We, as Americans, have to face the total obvious truth that this was all because of a lie. We are speaking out because we have to speak out. We want to help other vets tell other vets their story
to keep people from drinking themselves to death."
When he is asked what he would say to Mr. Bush if he had a few moments with him, he too took some time to think about it, then says, "It is obvious that middle America is starting to turn against this war and to turn against you
for good reason. The only thing I could see that would arrest this inevitable fall that you deserve, is another 9/11 or another war with say, Iran. There are some very credible indications in the media that we are already in pre-war with Iran. What I'm trying to do is find a stand Americans can take against you, but I think people are willing to say ?'don't you dare do this to us again.' My message to the American people is this-do you want to go another round with these people? If not-now is the time to say so."
The men are using this time to tell more of why they are resisting the illegal occupation, and it's difficult to ask new questions as they are adding to what one another share.
"I didn't want to kill another soul for no reason. That's it," adds Henderson, "We were firing into small towns
.you see people just running, cars going, guys falling off bikes
it was just sad. You just sit there and look through your binos and see things blowing up, and you think, man they have no water, living in the third world, and we're just bombing them to hell. Blowing up buildings, shrapnel tearing people to shreds."
Tharp jumps in and adds, "Most of what we're talking about is war crimes
war crimes because they are directed by our government for power projection. My easy answer for not going is PTSD
but the deeper moral reason is that I didn't want to be involved in a crime against humanity."
Ryabov then adds, "We were put in a foreign country to fire artillery and kill people
and it shouldn't have even happened in the first place. It's hard to put into words the full tragedy of it-the death and suffering on both sides. I feel a grave injustice has been done and I'm trying to correct it. You do all these things and come back and think, what have we done?"
Michael Hoffman served as a Marine Corps corporal who fought in Tikrit and Baghdad, and has since become a co-founder of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
"Nobody wants to kill another person and think it was because of a lie. Nobody wants to think their service was in vain," says Hoffman.
His response to what he would say to Mr. Bush is simple, "I would look him straight in the eye and ask him ?'why?' And I would hold him there and make him answer me. He never has to deal with us one on one. I dare him to talk to any of us like that, one on one, and give us an answer."
Hoffman then adds, "What about the 3 year old Iraqi girl who is now an orphan with diseases and nightmares for the rest of her life for what we did? And the people who orchestrated this don't have to pay anything. How many times are my children going to have to go through this? Our only choice is to fight this to try to stop it from happening again."
Earlier this same day Mr. Bush said, "We cannot leave this task half finished, we must take it all the way to the end."
However, Charlie Anderson, another Iraq veteran, had strong words for Bush. After discussing how the background radiation in Baghdad is now five times the normal rate-the equivalent of having 3 chest x-rays an hour, he said, "These are not accidents-the DU [Depleted Uraniaum]-it's important for people to understand this-the use of DU and its effects are by design. These are very carefully engineered and orchestrated incidents."
While the entire group nods in agreement and two other soldiers stand up to shake his hand, Anderson says firmly, "You subverted us, you destroyed our lives, you owe us. I want your resignation in my hand in the next five minutes. Get packin' Georgie."
All ACFR articles, at least by me, are automatically discarded; for they have no link, and have shown to be faulty in the past.
Nothing more than propaganda
Cycloptichorn
If you look back a way, Cyclo, you will see a post of mine in which i dug up info on ACFR at Media Transparency . . . they are supported by foundations which fund conservative media outlets, and all the evidence is that ACFR is just another conservative propaganda organ . . .
McGentrix wrote:[...a passing comment I made to McTag in reference to his rather silly statement about the structure of the WTC.
Several people have jumped on me for this, taking my comment deliberately out of context.
Tico said the 9/11 attack was worse: I contend that is nonsense. The air crash killed a few hundred people. The collapsing buildings killed a few thousand. The buildings collapsed before the firemen could deal with them, because they were inadequately built. Fact. A collision from an aircraft containing aviation fuel was a predictable hazard.
No, the Japanese attack was worse. Japan had already declared war. Smirking George still had the choice to take a better decision. He blew it.
Such vitriol McG . . . you protest too much . . . and Cyclo was right, you really are in form today, and you display nothing but a penchant for sneering at others. Have fun yourself . . .
Setanta wrote:...they are supported by foundations which fund conservative media outlets, and all the evidence is that ACFR is just another conservative propaganda organ . . .
I hope no one confuses the ACFR with the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). The Council on Foreign Relations was founded in New York in 1921, publishes a quarterly journal, and is independent and non-partisan. I would not be surprised if the ACFR intends to confuse people that they are the CFR.
Of course they do!
Cycloptichorn
The day you spread your blanket of criticism to encompass your sycophants may be the day I actually take you seriously. Until then, you just keep reflecting that haughtiness that you nurture so well...
You're a hoot . . . sycophants . . . your delusions of adequacy have finally overwhelmed what little grasp on reality you once had . . .
Oh, c'mon Set. You know you bask in their adoration! That's why you never give them the stick while applying it liberally to those with the opposite view. Everyone knows it, so you can drop the charade.
You are hilarious. Can't you even see the idiocy of such a contention? If someone posts something with which i agree, there is no reason to comment, let alone "give them the stick." If someone posts something with which i disagree, i'll post a rebuttal. If in the process of their posting, they have smeared an individual or a group, i'll "give them the stick."
As a matter of fact, i rarely comment on Cyclo's posts, and he rarely comments on mine. I have not the least doubt that stating that simple fact will have no effect whatsoever on you maintaining your paranoid fantasy.
Everyone knows it . . . god, you're a hoot ! ! !
McGentrix wrote:Oh, c'mon Set. You know you bask in their adoration! That's why you never give them the stick while applying it liberally to those with the opposite view. Everyone knows it, so you can drop the charade.
What about you, McG? Do you ever give your own cohorts the stick?
What am I going to do, sit around patting people on the back? If I wanted that I would post at DailyKos, and not here.
You're currently fighting with JW for the title of 'consistnently empty, insulting poster,' McG. And the sad part is, unlike her, that you can do so much better; why, in the past, you've been quite the font of discussion.
Why this sinking into snark and insult?
Cycloptichorn
He who presents little but his own opinion about the sources of opinions with which he disagrees -- and not these opinions themselves -- provides pesuasive evidence that he is incapable of rationally refuting those opinions with which he disagees.
