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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 03:50 pm
I'd have to consider that dys

1. do i get to vote?
2. besides cheap gas and general anarchy, what is your position on the natterjack toad?
3. Would you have Don van Vliet as your running mate?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 03:52 pm
well steve the good capt'n beefy as we used to call him I believe has retired so, I would have to call on Mr F Zappa or possibly his offspring MotorHead.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 03:58 pm
oh thats a relief

thought

just after I posted

that he was dead
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:06 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
oh thats a relief

thought

just after I posted

that he was dead


Hold on there! I thought you guys already agreed to anybody (e.g. any body)! :wink:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:10 pm
Well Frank's dead, but that would not disqualify him from doing the job equally as well as the Shrub . . .
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:12 pm
thats anynotdeadbody

(or conceivably dead if they just sat there and didnt cause trouble)
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:12 pm
Zappa's shade sure as hell would do less damage....
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:13 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
oh thats a relief

thought

just after I posted

that he was dead


Hold on there! I thought you guys already agreed to anybody (e.g. any body)! :wink:

well yeah ican "anybody" which is what we have in the white house currently so it's evident that thinking/reasoning would not need to be a criteria.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:37 pm
hey dys I've been told you're the antichrist.

any truth in that?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:41 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
hey dys I've been told you're the antichrist.

any truth in that?

Well Steve, I am blond.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:44 pm
oh right

the antichrist blond bombshell anarchist?

are all anarchrists blond or is yours out of a bottle of potassium permanganate?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:48 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
oh right

the antichrist blond bombshell anarchist?

are all anarchrists blond or is yours out of a bottle of potassium permanganate?

I may be "un-natural" or as your ever so lovely wife said "I must have left my charm in New Mexico" but my hair (as thin as it is) is all dna.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 04:52 pm
she said that to you?

never said anything so sweet to me
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 05:05 pm
Laughing Laughing
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 05:42 pm
IRAQ PAPER: SADDAM TO BE EXECUTED SOON


Jul. 23, 2005 at 8:27AM
An Iraqi government newspaper said Saturday that toppled President Saddam Hussein was expected to be sentenced and executed within weeks.

The government-financed al-Sabah daily quoted unidentified sources close to a special court hearing Saddam's case that the verdict will be issued in the next three weeks against the former leader and his top former aides.

The sources said they expected the first death penalty against the former regime officials to be handed to Saddam after the special court convicts him on 12 charges of "crimes against humanity."

The court last week completed its questioning of Saddam over his role in the alleged killing of 150 residents from al-Dujail by the security forces of his regime after a foiled assassination attempt against Saddam in the area in 1992.

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Apologies if this has already been posted.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 06:13 pm
Annual Malignancy's Metastasis

Quote:
List of terrorist incidents
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



1980s
19801981
October 6: Assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat by Islamic Jihad.
1982
July 20: Two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London by the IRA kill 8 members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. Seven horses are also killed.
August 7: Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia set off bomb in Ankara airport, killing 9 people and wounding 70.
September 14: Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Bashir Gemayel and twenty-five others in an car explosion at the Kataeb headquarters.
September 17: Sabra and Shatila Massacre: the murder of hundreds of Palestinian civilians at refugee camps by Israeli-backed Christian Phalangist militiamen.
October 14: Direct Action bombs a Litton Industries factory.
1983
April 18: U.S. Embassy Bombing in Beirut, Lebanon kills 63.
July 15: Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia bombed a Turkish airline counter in the Orly Airport, killing eight people and wounding over 50.
September 23: Gulf Air Flight 771 is bombed, killing all 117 people on board.
October 9: Rangoon bombing by North Koreans targets South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan, killing 21 persons and injuring 48.
October 23: Marine Barracks Bombing in Beirut kills 241 U.S. Marines. 58 French troops from the multinational force are also killed in a separate attack.
December 17: Harrods bomb by the IRA. Six are killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store.
1984
October 12: IRA bomb in the Grand Hotel Brighton: 5 are killed in an attempt to kill members of the British cabinet.
October 31: Two Sikh bodyguards assassinate Prime Minister of India Indira Gandhi.
1985
February 28: IRA mortar attack kills nine Police officers in Newry.
June 14: TWA Flight 847 hijacking.
June 22: Air India Flight 182 is blown up by a bomb put onboard the flight from Canada by Sikh nationalists. All 329 people on board are killed. The single most deadly terrorist attack prior to September 11, 2001.
October 7 – October 10: Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking by Palestinian Liberation Front, during which passenger Leon Klinghoffer is shot dead.
November 23: EgyptAir Flight 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group, flown to Malta, where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.
December 27: Rome and Vienna Airport Attacks.
Investigators associated with the WHO reported that U.S.-funded Contras repeatedly destroyed health-care facilities and murdered health-care workers in Nicaraqua.
1986
April 2: TWA Flight 840 bombed on approach to Athens airport; 4 Americans, including an infant, are killed.
April 6: the La Belle discotheque in Berlin, a known hangout for U.S. soldiers, was bombed, killing three and injuring 230 people, for which Libya is held responsible. In retaliation, the US bombs Libya in Operation El Dorado Canyon and tries to kill Colonel Qaddafi.
June 14: ANC bombs Why Not Restaurant and Magoo's Bar in Durban, South Africa, 3 people killed, 73 wounded.
July 15: ETA Basque militant group bombs a Guardia Civil police truck, kills 12.
September 5: Pan Am Flight 73, an American civilian airliner, is hijacked; 22 people die when plane is stormed in Karachi, Pakistan.
December 25: Iraqi Airways Hijacking
December 31: New Year's Eve fire at the Dupont Plaza Hotel in San Juan, Puerto Rico, claimed 97 lives, mainly in the casino area. Fire set by 3 hotel workers, trying to make tourists stay away from Puerto Rico as a protest to their working wages.
1987
June 19: ETA Basque militant group bomb in Hipercor Mall's parking in Barcelona, kills 21, 45 injured.
November 8: Enniskillen massacre. Remembrance Day parade in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh is bombed by the IRA and 11 are killed and 63 injured.
November 29: KAL Flight 858 bombed by North Korea.
December 11: ETA Basque militant group bomb a Guardia Civil police bedrooms in Zaragoza, kills 11, 40 injured.
1988
December 21: Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie. The worst act of terrorism against the United States prior to September 11, 2001.
1989
July 9: Two bombs explode in Mecca, killing one pilgrim and wounding 16 others.
September 22: Deal barracks bombing: Ten Royal Marines bandsmen are killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, is bombed by the IRA.
September 19: UTA Flight UT-772 kills 171 people.
November 27: Avianca Flight 203 bombed over Colombia.
December 6: Truck bomb kills 52 and injures 1,000 outside a security building in Bogota, Colombia; blast is blamed on drug lord Pablo Escobar.
1990s
1990
October 24: A series of car bombings directed by the IRA in Northern Ireland leave 7 people dead and 37 wounded.
1991
May 29: Basque ETA group bombs the Guardia Civil police barracks in Vic (Barcelona), killing 10.
November 15: Two IRA members are killed by their own bomb in St Albans.
1992
January 17: Eight Protestant builders killed by an IRA bomb on their way to work at an Army base near Omagh.
March 17: Israeli Embassy bombing by "Islamic Jihad" in Buenos Aires, Argentina; 29 killed, 242 injured.
1993
January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. Two died.
February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills 6 and injures over 1000 people.
March 12: Mumbai car bombings in India
March 20: IRA bomb in Warrington kills two children (Warrington Bomb Attacks)
April 24: IRA detonate a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, killing two and causing approximately £350m of damage.
June: Failed New York City landmark bomb plot.
June 21: ETA Basque terrorist group bombs a military truck in Madrid, kills 7, 36 injured.
July 5: the IRA detonate a 1500lb car bomb (the largest used in Northern Ireland) in the centre of Newtownards in Northern Ireland, no one is killed but massive property damage is caused to the town centre.
October 23: A bomb at a fish and chip shop on the Protestant Shankill Road, Belfast kills 10 people, including two children.
October 30: Seven people killed in a Loyalist UFF gun attack in a bar in Greysteel, Co Derry.
1994
February 25: Baruch Goldstein kills 29 Palestinian civilians in an attack in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron.
June 18: Six Catholic men shot dead by Loyalists in a pub in Loughinisland, Co Derry.
July 18: Bombing of Jewish Center in Buenos Aires, Argentina kills 86 and wounds 300. Attributed by the judge who tried the case, Juan José Galeano, to Hezbollah acting on behalf of Iran.
July 19: Alas Chiricanas bombing kills 21 people. Generally attributed to Hezbollah.
July 26: Israeli Embassy Attack in London and a Jewish charity are car-bombed, wounding 20. Attributed by Britain, Argentina, and Israel to Hezbollah.
December 11: A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. Authorities found out that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for his planned terrorist attack.
December 24: Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked by GIA members who planned to crash the plane on Paris but didn't succeed.
1995
January 6: Operation Bojinka is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila, Philippines apartment by authorities after an apartment fire occurred in the apartment.
March 20: Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway by AUM Shinrikyo cultists
April 19: ETA Basque militant group tries to kill José María Aznar (then leader of the Popular Party, later a Spanish Prime Minister) bombing his car, kills a woman.
April 19: Oklahoma City bombing kills 168 people, 19 of them children.
Bombings in France by a GIA unit led by Khaled Kelkal kill seven and injure more than 100.
October 9: An Amtrak Sunset Limited train is derailed by anti-government saboteurs near Palo Verde, Arizona.
November 13: Bombing of military compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 7
November 19: Bombing of Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan kills 19.
December 11: ETA Basque militant group bombs a military truck in Madrid, killing 6 civilian public servants.
1996
January: In Kizlyar, 350 Chechen militants took 3,000 hostages in a hospital. The attempt to free them kills 65 civilians and soldiers.
January: Provisional Irish Republican Army plants a bomb that police defuse at the Canary Wharf towers in London.
January 31: Central Bank Bombing in Sri Lanka kills 90 and wounds 1,400.
February 9: IRA bombs the South Quay DLR station, killing two people.
June 15: Manchester bombing by IRA.
June 25: Khobar Towers bombing.
July 27: Centennial Olympic Park bombing, killing one and wounding 111.
A series of four suicide bombings in Israel leave 60 dead and 284 wounded within 10 days.
1997
February 24: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine".
November 17: Luxor Massacre – Islamist gunmen attack tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 62 people, most of them European and Japanese vacationers.
December 22: Acteal massacre – 46 killed while praying in Acteal, Chiapas, Mexico. A paramilitary group associated with ex-president Salinas is held responsible.
1998
January : Wandhama Massacre - 24 Kashmiri Pandits are massacred by Pakistan-backed insurgents in Indian controlled Kashmir city of Wandhama .
August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000.
August 15: Omagh bombing by the so-called "Real IRA" kills 29.
1999
January 3: Gunmen open fire on Shi'a Muslims worshipping in an Islamabad mosque, killing 16 people injuring 25.
April: David Copeland's nail bomb attacks against ethnic minorities and gays in London kill three people and injure over 160.
August 31 – September 22: Russian Apartment Bombings kills about 300 people, leading Russia into Second Chechen War.
December: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb US and Israeli tourists in Jordan and pick up 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots
December 24: Indian Airlines Flight 814from Kathmandu, Nepal to Delhi, India is hijacked. One passenger is killed and some hostages are released. After negotiations between the Taliban and the Indian government, the last of the remaining hostages on board Flight 814 are released.
2000s
2000
[see--Terrorism against Israel in 2000.]
The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.
German police foil Strasbourg cathedral bombing plot.
June 8: Stephen Saunders, a British Defense Attaché, was assassinated by Revolutionary Organization 17 November in Athens.
October 12: USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors.
2001
[see--Terrorism against Israel in 2001.]
February 5: A bomb blast in Moscow's Byelorusskaya metro station injures 15 people.
August 9: A suicide bomber in Jerusalem kills seven and wounds 130 in the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing; Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
"9/11": The attacks on September 11 kill almost 3,000 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.
Paris embassy attack plot foiled.
October 21: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
Jewish Defense League plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, foiled.
Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.
2002
[see--Terrorism against Israel in 2002.]
Singapore embassies attack plot foiled.
January: Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
March 24: Twenty people die and 93 are injured in three bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.
March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Netanya suicide attack.
March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
May 8: Bus Attack in Karachi.
May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
June 14: Attack outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi.
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing 2 Israelis before being killed himself.
October 2002: Beltway Sniper Attacks around the Washington metropolitan area kill 10 people and leave the region paranoid for weeks, caused by domestic terrorists.
October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
October 12: Bali car bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
2003
[see--Terrorism against Israel in 2003.]
February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal nightclub in Bogota, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
May 12: Bombings of United States expat housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
May 12: A truck bomb attack on a government building in the Chechen town of Znamenskoye kills 59.
May 14: As many as 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.
May 16: Casablanca Attacks by 12 bombers on five "Western and Jewish" targets in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead and over 100 injured. Attack attributed to a Moroccan al-Qaeda-linked group.
July 5: 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
August 1: An explosion at the Russian hospital in Mozdok in North Ossetia kills at least 50 people and injures 76.
August 19: Canal Hotel Bombing in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 22 people (including the top UN representative Sergio Vieira de Mello) and wounds over 100.
August 25: At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar.
August 29: Car bomb outside Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf, Iraq, kills more than 80 people, including SCIRI leader Sayed Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim.
September 3: A bomb blast on a passenger train near Kislovodsk in southern Russia kills seven people and injures 90.
October 4: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 21 and wounds 51 in a Haifa restaurant in the Maxim restaurant massacre.
October 15: A bomb is detonated by Palestinians against a US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing three Americans.
November 15 and November 20: Truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 57 and wounding 700 in the 2003 Istanbul Bombings.
December 5: Suicide bombers kill at least 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia
December 9: A blast in the center of Moscow kills six people and wounds at least 11.
2004
[see--Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004.]
February 1: 109 Kurds are killed in 2 suicide bombings in Arbil, Iraq.
February 6: Bomb on Moscow Metro kills 41.
February 27: Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura.
March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160.
March 9: Attack of Istanbul restaurant in Turkey.
March 11: Coordinated bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, kills 191 people and injures more than 1,500.
April 21: Basra bombs in Iraq kill 74 and injure hundreds.
April 21: Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 5.
May 29: Al-Khobar massacres, in which Islamic militants kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
August 24: Russian airplane bombings kill 90.
August 31: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.
September 1 – 3: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead.
September 9: Jakarta embassy bombing, in which the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing eight people.
October 7: Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 34 and wounding 114, many of them Israeli and other foreign tourists.
December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 5 local employees.
December 12: A bombing at the Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines, kills 15.
2005
February 28: About 125 Iraqis killed by a suicide car bomb outside a medical centre in Hilla, south of Baghdad.
March 19: Car bomb attack on theatre in Doha, Qatar, kills one Briton and wounds 12 others.
April: April 2005 terrorist attacks in Cairo – On April 7 a suicide bomber blows himself up in Cairo's Khan al Khalili market, killing three foreign tourists and wounding 17 others. In two further attacks on 30 April, suspected accomplices detonate a bomb and spray a tourist coach with gunfire.
June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 20 people.
July 5: Six terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Toiba storm the Ayodhya Ram Janmbhomi complex in India. Before the terrorists could reach the main disputed site, they were shot down by Indian security forces. One devotee and two policemen were injured.
Wikinews has a related story:
Coordinated terrorist attack in LondonJuly 7: 7 July 2005 London bombings - Attacks on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 55+ people and injuring over 700, occur on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference.
July 21: 21 July 2005 London bombings - Small explosions in 3 London Underground stations and one double-decker bus. This was pronounced as an "incident" than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported.
July 23:Sharm el-Sheikh bombings: Car bombs explode at tourist sites in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, killing at least 88 and wounding more than 100.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 06:57 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
she said that to you?

never said anything so sweet to me

To be honest (it goes against my grain) Mrs Steve was the most delightful lady I met on our English sojourn. When I commented to her statement that she was a teacher with "oh, you couldn't get a real job" she simply smiled. I detest really nice people. I liked steve.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2005 11:14 pm
To be honest here, too: she really is.

And I'm hoping, she will tell me such nice things, too.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2005 03:05 am
ican711nm wrote:
Annual Malignancy's Metastasis

Quote:
List of terrorist incidents
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

…

1980s
1980



Isn't it funny that your list starts with a US funded Malignancy?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2005 07:17 am
Concerning Saddam Hussien, I am glad that justice is soon to be served.

Concerning the constitution, I think they are getting closer, they have a draft.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5166027,00.html

Iraq Constitution Draft Links Islam, Law

Monday July 25, 2005 10:01 PM


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By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A chapter of Iraq's draft constitution obtained by The Associated Press on Monday gives Islam a major role in Iraqi civil law, raising concerns that women could lose rights in marriage, divorce and inheritance.

The proposal also appears to rule out non-governmental militias, an area addressed Monday by the new U.S. ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad. Urging Iraqis to build national institutions, he said there is no place for factional forces that ``build the infrastructure for a future civil war.''

The civil law section, one of six to make up Iraq's new charter, covers the rights and duties of citizens and public and private freedoms. The language in the chapter is not final, but members of the charter drafting committee said there was agreement on most of its wording.

Committee members have been rushing to complete the constitution so the Iraqi National Assembly can set the final wording by Aug. 15. Parliament's version would be put to a public vote by mid-October, and if approved, elections would follow by the year's end.

The drafting panel's efforts got a boost Monday when its 12 Sunni Arab members ended a boycott, easing fears the document might be rejected by the ethnic community at the heart of the insurgency.

Sunni Arab support is crucial because the charter can be scuttled if voters in three of Iraq's 18 provinces reject it by a two-thirds majority - and Sunni Arabs are a majority in four provinces. Sunni Arabs make up about 20 percent of Iraq's 27 million people but dominate areas where the insurgency is raging.

A Sunni member of the constitutional commission, Saleh al-Mutlaq, told AP that he and his 11 colleagues agreed to resume work after receiving assurances from the government that their grievances would be addressed.

Those concerns included better security after last week's assassination of two colleagues, which triggered the boycott, and for an expanded role for the Sunni Arab minority in the constitutional deliberations.

Most worrying for women's groups has been the section on civil rights, which some feel would significantly roll back women's rights under a 1959 civil law enacted by a secular regime.

In the copy obtained by AP, Article 19 of the second chapter says ``the followers of any religion or sect are free to choose their civil status according to their religious or sectarian beliefs.''

Shiite Muslim leaders have pushed for a stronger role for Islam in civil law but women's groups argue that could base legal interpretations on stricter religious lines that are less favorable toward women.

Under Islamic law, a woman gets half of what a man would get when it comes to inheritance. Men also have the power when it comes to initiating divorces.

Committee members said Monday they had taken account of women's concerns, but said they were not planning to make changes since the National Assembly will have final say on the wording.

Last week, Qassim Dawoud, a member of former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's secular bloc in parliament, told reporters: ``I can assure that (there will be) no humiliation to the rights of women in the new Iraq.''

Committee member Khudayer al-Khuzai said Muslims would be free to choose which Islamic sect they want to be judged under the proposed civil law.

``We will not force anyone to adopt any sect at all. People are free to choose the sect they see as better or more legitimate. This is implemented in marriage, inheritance and all civil rights,'' he said.

Not all Shiite laws are disadvantageous for women. Many Sunni Muslims who have only daughters prefer to follow Shiite religious law when it comes to inheritance since daughters inherit everything their parents leave. Under Sunni rules, daughters have to share their inheritance with uncles, aunts and grandparents.

While not specifically addressing militias, the draft chapter would permit Iraqis to form only political parties and would ban individuals from possessing weapons.

``There is no place for militias,'' said al-Khuzai, a Shiite. ``We have even made it clear for non-governmental organizations that they should not have any secret or military activities.''

Earlier in the day, the U.S. ambassador spoke against militias - a clear signal to groups in Iraq's dominant Shiite Arab and Kurdish communities that have maintained armed groups since they were in opposition to Saddam Hussein's regime.

Khalilzad, who took up his ambassador's post over the weekend, told reporters the U.S. government believes Iraqis must focus on building strong national institutions.

``Regarding the militias, of course, our position is clear,'' he said. ``... We don't want to do anything that creates longer term problems for Iraq in terms of the problem of warlordism or the problem of building an infrastructure for a future civil war.''

In other areas, the chapter obtained by AP would make the judiciary independent, require public trials, ban torture and require a judicial order to detain anyone. Child labor, which flourished in the 1990s after the United Nations imposed sanctions on Iraq, would be banned.

Also, the draft would prevent tens of thousands of Iraqi Jews who emigrated to Israel in the 1950s from getting back their Iraqi citizenship. It says only Iraqis who lost their citizenship after Saddam's Baath Party came to power in 1963 ``will be allowed to get it back.''

Meanwhile, a minibus packed with explosives blew up Monday at a checkpoint outside a hotel once used by American contract workers, killing at least 12 people and wounding at least 18. A second suicide bomber killed two Iraqi commandos and injured 10 people in an attack at a police garrison in the capital.

A U.S. soldier was killed Monday when a roadside bomb exploded under his vehicle near Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. At least 1,778 U.S. military personnel have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
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