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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 08:05 pm
one of the sad outcomes of the iraq adventure may very well be that radical shiites will gain sufficient power to install a government ruling under islamic law; e.g. puttting women back in their inferior position again and all the other nasty things that go along with it. from press and tv reports it seems that the radicals are quite determined - and also somewhat successful - in gaining an upper hand. it will be interesting to see what the u.s. administration will do to ensure that there will be no religious oppression in iraq. since the iraq government is to be given power to write its own constitution, it will be interesting to see how much freedom the citizens of iraq will have under the new constitution and leadership. hbg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2005 08:44 pm
American Enterprise Institute . . . now there's an unbiased source . . . Rolling Eyes
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 05:59 am
A month ago a leaked classified CIA report revealved that the invasion had turned Iraq into a focal point for terrorism. Before the invasion said the CIA, Iraq "exported no terrorist threat to its neighbours" because Saddam Hussein was "implacably hostile to al Qaeda".

Now, a report by the Chatham House organisation, a "think tank" deep within the British establishment may well beckon Blair's coup de grace. Published on 18th July it says there is "no doubt" the invasion of Iraq has "given a boost to the al Qaeda network" in " propaganda, recruitment and fundraising" while providing and ideal targetting and training area for terrorists.

"Riding pillion with a powerful ally" has cost Iraqi American and British lives.

The right-wing academic Paul Wilkinson, a voice of western power, was the prinicipal author. Read between the lines and it says the Prime Minister is now a serious liability. Those who run this country KNOW he as committed a great crime; the "link" has been made.

from this weeks Newstatesman.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 07:10 am
Caleb Carr in [i]The Smell of Fear[/i], WSJ Opinion, 7/19/2005, wrote:

The ultimate targets of the London bombings were not, of course, human beings. Rather, they were a set of governmental policies that the terrorists hoped to change by separating political leaders from the support of their shaken citizenry. Despite this distinction, however, the underlying psychological principles involved in investigating such crimes remain the same as they would be were we studying a mass- or or serial-murder case, of which terrorists are in many respects the politicized version. Is this to say that the four young men suspected of being the instruments of terror on this occasion can be classified as clinical sociopaths? We will unlikely to be able to answer that question with certainty, now that they are dead. What we can focus on, however, are the motivations and perversities of the vastly more dangerous Islamist clerics and terrorist organizers who sought out youthful pawns and instilled in them a theology of murder.

Many political analysts have long been anxious to exclude terrorists from psychological profiling. Some fear that such scrutiny undermines the rationalization that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" (as indeed it does), while others worry that focus on the mental pathologies of terrorists will detract from whatever legitimacy their causes may hold -- just as the psychosis of Hitler overshadowed Germany's grievances about excessive war reparations. But Hitler did not redress injustices against his nation, he prostituted them to his meglomaniacal visions. In the same way, the preachers of Islamist terror are less interested in securing prosperity and dignity for their people than they are in finding new communities of human instruments that they can enlist in their demented campaign to turn History's clock back. In all such cases of international criminal psychology, we have no choice but to move beyond police work and questions of political motive, and reach for the tools of the forensic psychologist -- most importantly, the art of profiling.

But it is not only or even primarily the killers and their tutors that must be so examined. Thorough profiling demands that we also study the victims, who in cases of terrorism are whole societies. The point is not to see these societies as they actually are, but as the planners of the outrage saw them. In this particular case, we must try to understand why a terrorist group associated to at least a degree with al Qaeda was suddenly inspired to move beyond the general desire of that organization's leadership to punish Britain; why, that is, such an affiliate became overwhelmingly convinced that at this particular moment, British citizens were not only deserving of the usual terrorist brand of ritualized bloodshed, but would prove, more importantly, willing to gratify al Qaeda's demands in the wake of the bombings. What had these Islamist organizers seen, as they stalked through the land that had so unwisely given them asylum, that convinced not only them, but their acolytes, that the time had come for a more-than-rhetorical assault on Britains people?

* * *

These questions will not be answered by focusing on the grievances by which the terrorists later claimed to have been propelled: The sociopath's motivations are revealed in his behavior, not in his grandiose self-justifications. Therefore, we must put the issue of the timing of the bombings into the context of the series of similar crimes that have been committed by al Qaeda and its subordinates during the long and deadly spree that they have pursued since the 1990s. Only a few examples from al Qaeda's catalogue of outrages resemble the London attack, in specific purpose and method, enough to be of real use in establishing this pattern. These few are: the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001; the bombings of a synagogue, the British consulate, and a Western bank in Istanbul in November 2003; and the Madrid bombings in March 2004. What common elements can we establish among these societies at the given moments that they were victimized?

Of paramount interest is the fact that each nation had recently exhibited a weakening public determination to aggressively meet the rising challenge of Islamist terrorism. Consider the U.S. of 2001: The Clinton administration had left behind a record of essentially ignoring those few terrorism analysts who asserted that full-fledged military action against al Qaeda's Afghan training bases, backed by the possibility of military strikes against other terrorist sponsor states, was the only truly effective method of preventing an eventual attack within U.S. borders. President Clinton himself, we now know, at times favored such decisive moves; but opposition from various members of his cabinet, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and finally (as well as most importantly) a general public that would not or could not confront the true extent of the Islamist problem generally, and al Qaeda specifically, forced him to confine his responses to occassional and counterproductive bombings -- even as the death toll from al Qaeda attacks on U.S. interests abroad rose dramatically. Correctly sensing that the new president, George W. Bush, was treating the terrorist threat with a similar attitude of denial, al Qaeda's Hamburg-based subsidiaries launched the 9/11 operation.

Turkey, for its part, had taken the dramatic step of withdrawing its cooperation with the invasion of Iraq in early 2003. This move had drastically reduced the number of troops that the U.S. could bring to bear quickly on the operation, and may have colored the entire course of the war. Turkish leaders explained their decision by citing concerns about their nation's role in the region, as well as by saying that they did not trust the Kurds not to try to take advantage of the invasion. Perhaps so: but reports persisted that the Turkish government was worried about revenge attacks by Muslim extremists, along exactly the lines that (in a seeming paradox) did occur in November. Once again, an attempt to deal with the terrorist problem through avoidance only produced savage assaults.

In Spain, during March 2004, a similar public wish to avoid any forceful confrontation with terrorism prevailed, but for entirely different reasons: Spain had joined the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq, which, after enjoying dramatic early success, ran into a buzz-saw of bitter resistance organized by Saddam loyalists, Iraqis angered by occupation, and foreign Islamist terrorists (many trained and supplied by al Qaeda's network). The majority of the Spanish public had never supported participation in the invasion; and the Iraqi insurgency's viciousness only made them more committed to adopt a neutral stance in the global war on terror generally. But Spain was also, at the time, facing an election, and a bazarre component of that contest were warnings issued by an obscure Islamist group (later connected to al Qaeda) which stated that the Spanish people's failure to elect a candidate who would withdraw troops from Iraq would result in attacks against them. As election day neared, it seemed likely that voters would comply; yet despite -- or in fact because of -- this cooperative posture, the terrorists detonated a particularly cruel series of bombs aboard commuter trains in Madrid just days before the voting. We may never know how much the victory of the antiwar Socialist candidate was prompted by the attacks; what we do know is that Spain's posture of pre-election submission did not save her citizens, and that after the election, when the new government did obey the Islamists' demand that they withdraw troops from Iraq, the terrorists ultimately announced that not even this move could guarantee Spain's future safety.


...


Nations that experience collective psychological crises frequently attempt such re-inventions, just as do individuals. By revising the facts surrounding irrationally violent incidents so that they themselves are somehow made responsible for them, victims often seek to exert some kind of control over if, when, and how their tormentors will inflict their random cruelty. But what British citizens who have participated in this revision of the historical record do not realize -- just as Americans in 2001, Turks in 2003, and Spaniards in 2004 did not -- is that showing fear and self-disparagement in the face of al Qaeda's threats only marks the society in question as a suitable candidate for attack. Sociopaths revel most in assaulting terrified, submissive victims; and a Britain so concerned with avoiding attack that its ordinarily wise citizenry would give voice to the kind of simplistic thinking expressed in the media in recent months evidently fit that description to an extent irresistible to al Qaeda's minions within its borders.

...


But whatever the ultimate reaction of the British people to these latest terrorist outrages, we must hope that American intellectuals and celebrities will not emulate Britain's recent exercises in wavering, revisionist behavior. Already there has been unfortunate evidence that the tendency to "blame the victim" after July 7 was greater in America than it was in Britain. Such words and actions only cause the scent that emerges from our own communities to become that of fear -- and should al Qaeda again detect such an odor inside our borders, we may expect attacks such as those that struck our oldest and most trusted ally to once more visit our own shores. And we may expect them very soon.

Mr. Carr is author of "The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians," and "The Atheist." He teaches military history at Bard.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 07:17 am
Thankfully, some when confronted by a problem attempt to solve it.

Unfortunately, others when confronted by a problem attempt to deny it.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 07:33 am
"

In Spain, during March 2004, a similar public wish to avoid any forceful confrontation with terrorism prevailed, but for entirely different reasons: Spain had joined the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq, which, after enjoying dramatic early success, ran into a buzz-saw of bitter resistance organized by Saddam loyalists, Iraqis angered by occupation, and foreign Islamist terrorists (many trained and supplied by al Qaeda's network). The majority of the Spanish public had never supported participation in the invasion; and the Iraqi insurgency's viciousness only made them more committed to adopt a neutral stance in the global war on terror generally. But Spain was also, at the time, facing an election, and a bazarre component of that contest were warnings issued by an obscure Islamist group (later connected to al Qaeda) which stated that the Spanish people's failure to elect a candidate who would withdraw troops from Iraq would result in attacks against them. As election day neared, it seemed likely that voters would comply; yet despite -- or in fact because of -- this cooperative posture, the terrorists detonated a particularly cruel series of bombs aboard commuter trains in Madrid just days before the voting. We may never know how much the victory of the antiwar Socialist candidate was prompted by the attacks; what we do know is that Spain's posture of pre-election submission did not save her citizens, and that after the election, when the new government did obey the Islamists' demand that they withdraw troops from Iraq, the terrorists ultimately announced that not even this move could guarantee Spain's future safety"

This is a complete travesty of what happened. But believe it if you wish, I dont actually give a damn anymore.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 08:51 am
ican711nm wrote:
Caleb Carr in [i]The Smell of Fear[/i], WSJ Opinion, 7/19/2005, wrote:
... after the election, when the new government did obey the Islamists' demand ... .[/b][/size]


I don't know who Caleb Carr is.

But I do know that he didn't read international news, especially the news during the pre-election period in Spain.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 08:53 am
Ican't inhabits a fantasy world. He visits no other threads, he warps whatever he can get his hands on (if the content is not already suitably warped) to justify his obsessive partisan point of view. I wouldn't give him too much thought, were i you, Boss. I like to drop by and rip up his nonsense when he attempts to enlist some crackpot view of history in aid of his propaganda, but otherwise, ignore his crap.

I hope the world treats you well this summer, Steve.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 09:26 am
Ican is a toy to be played with, nothing more.

In fact, I suspect he is in reality some sort of Republican AIM-bot. A sophisticated one, but predictable over time.

Interestingly enough he posted a story by Michael A. Ledeen on the last page; a traitor to our country who has had his hands in dirty pies since Iran-Contra. He is tied up in the fake Niger documents these days....

We really have entered a 1984 world these days

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 02:52 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:


"In Spain, ... future safety"

This is a complete travesty of what happened. But believe it if you wish, I dont actually give a damn anymore.


Please describe why you think Carr's paragraph on Spain "is a complete travesty of what happened." The chronology of events depicted in the quoted paragraph on terroism in Spain conforms to the chronology presented by TOMNOM (i.e., The Oxy-Moron News Opinion Media) sources. However, to me that is hardly a convincing testamonial to the validity of that depiction. So if you think you have a more accurate depiction of the chronology of events please post it and identify your source(s).
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 03:23 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ican is a toy to be played with, nothing more.

In fact, I suspect he is in reality some sort of Republican AIM-bot. A sophisticated one, but predictable over time.

What is a "Republican AIM-bot?"

Interestingly enough he posted a story by Michael A. Ledeen on the last page; a traitor to our country who has had his hands in dirty pies since Iran-Contra. He is tied up in the fake Niger documents these days....

What are some of the things Michael A. Ledeen has done to earn your calling him "a traitor to his country?"

We really have entered a 1984 world these days

I agree! You certainly have "entered a 1984 world these days!"

A plethora of parroted propaganda and pompous paradigms are issued from your ministry of truth without cessation and without pretense of rational explanation why either should be perceived as truth. All you need more is to obtain the totalitarian power of "Big Brother" and "1984" will have arrived.


Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 03:47 pm
Setanta wrote:
Ican't inhabits a fantasy world.

He visits no other threads, he warps whatever he can get his hands on (if the content is not already suitably warped) to justify his obsessive partisan point of view.

Who is "Ican't?"

I wouldn't give him too much thought, were i you, Boss.

I like to drop by and rip up his nonsense when he attempts to enlist some crackpot view of history in aid of his propaganda, but otherwise, ignore his crap.

...


Except for his claims "He visits no other threads," and "I like to drop by and rip up his nonsense," Ican't appears to be Setanta's alias. Although Setanta does visit other threads, and does not rip us his own nonsense, Setanta alias Ican't does recommend that he not be given "too much thought" and probably when he wrote the above post he was following his own advice.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 04:37 pm
Quote:
What is a "Republican AIM-bot?"


Heh, ask a grandkid of yours sometime

And watch out for that senesence; sneaks up on ya

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2005 05:27 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
What is a "Republican AIM-bot?"


Heh, ask a grandkid of yours sometime

And watch out for that senesence; sneaks up on ya

Cycloptichorn


So please help out an old circling buzzard and answer my question!


?AIM = Aeronautical Information Manual?

?bot = before our time?
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PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:24 am
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/daoud/images/blood-monkey.jpg
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:32 am
Caleb Carr in [i]The Smell of Fear[/i], WSJ Opinion, 7/19/2005, wrote:

The ultimate targets of the London bombings were not, of course, human beings. Rather, they were a set of governmental policies that the terrorists hoped to change by separating political leaders from the support of their shaken citizenry. Despite this distinction, however, the underlying psychological principles involved in investigating such crimes remain the same as they would be were we studying a mass- or or serial-murder case, of which terrorists are in many respects the politicized version. Is this to say that the four young men suspected of being the instruments of terror on this occasion can be classified as clinical sociopaths? We will unlikely to be able to answer that question with certainty, now that they are dead. What we can focus on, however, are the motivations and perversities of the vastly more dangerous Islamist clerics and terrorist organizers who sought out youthful pawns and instilled in them a theology of murder.

Many political analysts have long been anxious to exclude terrorists from psychological profiling. Some fear that such scrutiny undermines the rationalization that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" (as indeed it does), while others worry that focus on the mental pathologies of terrorists will detract from whatever legitimacy their causes may hold -- just as the psychosis of Hitler overshadowed Germany's grievances about excessive war reparations. But Hitler did not redress injustices against his nation, he prostituted them to his meglomaniacal visions. In the same way, the preachers of Islamist terror are less interested in securing prosperity and dignity for their people than they are in finding new communities of human instruments that they can enlist in their demented campaign to turn History's clock back. In all such cases of international criminal psychology, we have no choice but to move beyond police work and questions of political motive, and reach for the tools of the forensic psychologist -- most importantly, the art of profiling.

But it is not only or even primarily the killers and their tutors that must be so examined. Thorough profiling demands that we also study the victims, who in cases of terrorism are whole societies. The point is not to see these societies as they actually are, but as the planners of the outrage saw them. In this particular case, we must try to understand why a terrorist group associated to at least a degree with al Qaeda was suddenly inspired to move beyond the general desire of that organization's leadership to punish Britain; why, that is, such an affiliate became overwhelmingly convinced that at this particular moment, British citizens were not only deserving of the usual terrorist brand of ritualized bloodshed, but would prove, more importantly, willing to gratify al Qaeda's demands in the wake of the bombings. What had these Islamist organizers seen, as they stalked through the land that had so unwisely given them asylum, that convinced not only them, but their acolytes, that the time had come for a more-than-rhetorical assault on Britains people?

* * *

These questions will not be answered by focusing on the grievances by which the terrorists later claimed to have been propelled: The sociopath's motivations are revealed in his behavior, not in his grandiose self-justifications. Therefore, we must put the issue of the timing of the bombings into the context of the series of similar crimes that have been committed by al Qaeda and its subordinates during the long and deadly spree that they have pursued since the 1990s. Only a few examples from al Qaeda's catalogue of outrages resemble the London attack, in specific purpose and method, enough to be of real use in establishing this pattern. These few are: the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001; the bombings of a synagogue, the British consulate, and a Western bank in Istanbul in November 2003; and the Madrid bombings in March 2004. What common elements can we establish among these societies at the given moments that they were victimized?

Of paramount interest is the fact that each nation had recently exhibited a weakening public determination to aggressively meet the rising challenge of Islamist terrorism. Consider the U.S. of 2001: The Clinton administration had left behind a record of essentially ignoring those few terrorism analysts who asserted that full-fledged military action against al Qaeda's Afghan training bases, backed by the possibility of military strikes against other terrorist sponsor states, was the only truly effective method of preventing an eventual attack within U.S. borders. President Clinton himself, we now know, at times favored such decisive moves; but opposition from various members of his cabinet, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and finally (as well as most importantly) a general public that would not or could not confront the true extent of the Islamist problem generally, and al Qaeda specifically, forced him to confine his responses to occassional and counterproductive bombings -- even as the death toll from al Qaeda attacks on U.S. interests abroad rose dramatically. Correctly sensing that the new president, George W. Bush, was treating the terrorist threat with a similar attitude of denial, al Qaeda's Hamburg-based subsidiaries launched the 9/11 operation.

Turkey, for its part, had taken the dramatic step of withdrawing its cooperation with the invasion of Iraq in early 2003. This move had drastically reduced the number of troops that the U.S. could bring to bear quickly on the operation, and may have colored the entire course of the war. Turkish leaders explained their decision by citing concerns about their nation's role in the region, as well as by saying that they did not trust the Kurds not to try to take advantage of the invasion. Perhaps so: but reports persisted that the Turkish government was worried about revenge attacks by Muslim extremists, along exactly the lines that (in a seeming paradox) did occur in November. Once again, an attempt to deal with the terrorist problem through avoidance only produced savage assaults.

In Spain, during March 2004, a similar public wish to avoid any forceful confrontation with terrorism prevailed, but for entirely different reasons: Spain had joined the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq, which, after enjoying dramatic early success, ran into a buzz-saw of bitter resistance organized by Saddam loyalists, Iraqis angered by occupation, and foreign Islamist terrorists (many trained and supplied by al Qaeda's network). The majority of the Spanish public had never supported participation in the invasion; and the Iraqi insurgency's viciousness only made them more committed to adopt a neutral stance in the global war on terror generally. But Spain was also, at the time, facing an election, and a bazarre component of that contest were warnings issued by an obscure Islamist group (later connected to al Qaeda) which stated that the Spanish people's failure to elect a candidate who would withdraw troops from Iraq would result in attacks against them. As election day neared, it seemed likely that voters would comply; yet despite -- or in fact because of -- this cooperative posture, the terrorists detonated a particularly cruel series of bombs aboard commuter trains in Madrid just days before the voting. We may never know how much the victory of the antiwar Socialist candidate was prompted by the attacks; what we do know is that Spain's posture of pre-election submission did not save her citizens, and that after the election, when the new government did obey the Islamists' demand that they withdraw troops from Iraq, the terrorists ultimately announced that not even this move could guarantee Spain's future safety.

In all these examples, then, the "trigger" for terrorist action was not any newly adopted Western posture of force and defiance. Rather, it was a deepening of the targeted public’s wish to deal with terrorism through avoidance and accommodation, a mass descent into the psychological belief, so often disproved by history, that if we only leave vicious attackers alone, they will leave us alone. It is hardly surprising that by actively trying – or merely indicating that they wished – to bury their collective heads in the sand, the societies were led not to peace but to more violent attacks. Al Qaeda and terrorist groups in general have tended to press their campaigns of violence against civilians in areas where they have sensed disunity and a lack of forceful opposition. In the manner of clinical sociopaths, they seem to "smell fear" – and to find in it, not any inspiration to show mercy or accept accommodation, but a compulsion to torment all the more vigorously those who exude it.

When the situation is viewed through this lens of victim profiling (never to be confused with "blaming the victim"), we begin to see why al Qaeda’s leaders and affiliates evidently began to think themselves capable of breaking an alliance that once withstood the assaults of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. For a widespread psychological phenomenon has gained strength in Britain in recent years, coming to a crescendo in the last few months. In political and editorial writings, but perhaps even more tellingly in the mass entertainment media to which the young bombers were reportedly heavily exposed, many Britons have subscribed to a new narrative of the post 9/11 world, one in which the U.K. is portrayed, not as a willing partner in the invasion of Afghanistan, nor as the author of the incorrect and/or deceptive intelligence that so rallied support in the West for invading Iraq, but rather as the largely innocent tool of a nefarious U.S., one whose government has been "bullied" by Washington. In this remarkably distorted yet equally powerful version of events, Britain emerges as a nation that would, if its leaders would only obey the true will of its people, display greater concern with such benevolent programs as ameliorating world hunger and climate degradation, and far less with combating terrorism. Indeed, they are only involved in the latter, runs the new "history, " because of Tony Blair’s obliging participation in Mr. Bush’s oil-propelled policies.


Nations that experience collective psychological crises frequently attempt such re-inventions, just as do individuals. By revising the facts surrounding irrationally violent incidents so that they themselves are somehow made responsible for them, victims often seek to exert some kind of control over if, when, and how their tormentors will inflict their random cruelty. But what British citizens who have participated in this revision of the historical record do not realize -- just as Americans in 2001, Turks in 2003, and Spaniards in 2004 did not -- is that showing fear and self-disparagement in the face of al Qaeda's threats only marks the society in question as a suitable candidate for attack. Sociopaths revel most in assaulting terrified, submissive victims; and a Britain so concerned with avoiding attack that its ordinarily wise citizenry would give voice to the kind of simplistic thinking expressed in the media in recent months evidently fit that description to an extent irresistible to al Qaeda's minions within its borders.

...


But whatever the ultimate reaction of the British people to these latest terrorist outrages, we must hope that American intellectuals and celebrities will not emulate Britain's recent exercises in wavering, revisionist behavior. Already there has been unfortunate evidence that the tendency to "blame the victim" after July 7 was greater in America than it was in Britain. Such words and actions only cause the scent that emerges from our own communities to become that of fear -- and should al Qaeda again detect such an odor inside our borders, we may expect attacks such as those that struck our oldest and most trusted ally to once more visit our own shores. And we may expect them very soon.

Mr. Carr is author of "The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians," and "The Atheist." He teaches military history at Bard.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:37 am
Lol, okay

An AIM-bot is an AOL Instant Messenger Robot that is designed to fool the other member of the converstation into believing they are having a conversation with a real person.

Some of them are quite good.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:41 am
Thankfully, some when confronted by a problem attempt to solve it.

Unfortunately, others when confronted by a problem attempt to deny it.
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PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 11:49 am
ican711nm wrote:
Thankfully, some when confronted by a problem attempt to solve it.

Unfortunately, others when confronted by a problem attempt to deny it.


And some when confronted with a problem just change their tune:

http://www.bartcop.com/dam-control.gif
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2005 12:40 pm
PDiddie wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Thankfully, some when confronted by a problem attempt to solve it.

Unfortunately, others when confronted by a problem attempt to deny it.


And some when confronted with a problem just change their tune ...


Alas, you are another victim of the TOMNOM(i.e., The Oxy-Moron News Opinion Media).

President Bush's original statement and all subsequent statements regarding the investigation of the Valerie Plame affair, said anyone who has committed a crime will be removed from my administration.

You can verify this for yourself by listening to actual recordings of Bush's news conferences on the subject.

By the way, Valerie Plame has not served as a covert agent for the CIA since 1997.

Thankfully, some when confronted by a problem attempt to solve it.

Unfortunately, others when confronted by a problem attempt to deny it, and thereby handicap those trying to solve it.


P.S. The quotation, "I have no need to reach conclusions. I am only combatting sophisms; that is all," is itself a sophism.

Of those who survived beyond their 5th birthday and acted on their own behalf at least once by then, name one who had "no need to reach at least one conclusion."
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