Apparently, the opinions of some folks change over time.
cicerone imposter wrote:Quote:
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The survey was conducted by an Iraqi university research team that, for security reasons, was not told the data it compiled would be used by coalition forces. It reveals:
• Forty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified - rising to 65 per cent in the British-controlled Maysan province;
• 82 per cent are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops;
• less than one per cent of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security;
• 67 per cent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;
• 43 per cent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability have worsened;
• 72 per cent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.
The opinion poll, carried out in August, also debunks claims by both the US and British governments that the general well-being of the average Iraqi is improving in post-Saddam Iraq.
Mortkat wrote:Quote:
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Dec. 12, 2005
--An ABC News Poll in Iraq, conducted with Time Magazine and other media partners
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Specifically,
26 percent of Iraqis say U. S. and other coalition forces should "leave now" and another
19 percent say they should go after the government chosen in this week's election takes office; that adds up to
45 Percent. Roughly the other
half SAYS THAT COALITION FORCES SHOULD REMAIN UNTIL SECURITY IS RESTORED
This survey was sponsored by ABC News with partners Time, the BBC, the Japanese network NHK and the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, with field work by Oxford Research International, It consists of in-person interviews with a random national sample of 1,711 Iraqis from early October through mid- November(of 2005)
Losing is easy! Winning is difficult!
Transcribed from the WSJ, Page A18, December 16, 2005
emphasis added by me
Quote:Iraq's Future, Our Past
By Rastislav Kacer, Petr Kolar, Janusz Reiter and Andras Simonyi
When it comes to tyranny, we believe we can offer some personal experience. After all, it was only a short while ago that our countries emerged from soviet oppression. During the decades of dictatorship, our peoples' attempts to restore freedom and democracy were crushed. Who would have thought in 1956 in Hungary, in 1968 in Czechoslovakia, or in 1980 in Poland, that we could get rid of the dictatorial regimes in our lifetimes and shape our own future?
The memories of tyranny are still alive in the minds of many Czechs, Hungarians, Poles and Slovaks. We also remember the challenges we faced early in our democratic transition. It is a testament to the resilience of our peoples that we are where we are now -- members of NATO and the European Union, and strong allies of the U.S. We got here by believing in the transformational power of democracy and a market economy. But we needed others to believe in us, too. We could not have made it alone. We need the perseverance and support of Western democracies for freedom finally to arrive.
The attainment of our immediate goals of stability and prosperity could have made us complacent. It has not. We feel that as free and democratic nations we have a duty to help others achieve the security and prosperity that we now enjoy. That is why we have been part of the coalition to help democracy emerge in Iraq.
Establishing democracy in Iraq was never going to be easy. Yet it is essential for the political and economic stability of the entire Middle East -- and also vital for the security of our countries. We are convinced that for Iraq to become a vigorous partner in the war on terrorism, the Iraqis will need our continuous help for rebuilding their country, as well as for establishing democratic institutions and a market economy. The good news is that we are not alone; it's a truly international partnership, based on a U.N. mandate. More than 30 nations are on the ground with the coalition and NATO, and more than 80 have signed up for the "new international partnership" with Iraq. European countries work closely with the U.S. on strengthening stability and democracy in Iraq, and the U.N. is providing key support to achieve our goals.
The Visegra'd Group, which includes our countries, has been one of the most effective regional partnerships in Europe established after the changes of 1989. With our vast experience in transitioning from dictatorship to democracy, we can be of special help. Although the Central European reality is quite different from Iraq, we offer our assistance in building democratic institutions as well as civil society. We can share the successes and challenges of our transition with the Iraqis, as we all know that freedom comes at a price. The experiences from the area of responsibility of the Multinational Division Central South prove that transformation in Iraq can be completed with success. Right now we are transferring more power and responsibilities to the local Iraqi authorities, which, thanks to our assistance, are capable of securing their future.
Democratic transition is a long, painful process. It requires sacrifice. But more than anything, it requires a belief that democratic values will prevail and people will have a better life as a result. We had that belief to guide us during the most difficult years of transition and we want to keep that belief alive in the people of Iraq. Maybe it takes countries with vivid recollections of tyranny to serve as the institutional memory of a larger community of democracies. If so, we are ready to fulfill that role.
Messrs. Kacer, Kolar, Reiter and Sionyi are, respectively, the Slovak, Czech, Polish and Hungarian ambassadors to the U.S.
Murtha on Iraq: 'Tough time prevailing'
Johnstown Democrat says situation deteriorating, help from other countries needed
Sunday, August 15, 2004
MURTHA: Now, let's talk about terrorism versus insurgency in Iraq itself. We think that foreign fighters are about 7 percent -- might be a little bit more, a little bit less. Very small proportion of the people that are involved in the insurgency are terrorists or how I would interpret them as terrorists.
And we don't have enough troops to guard against the border. The generals in charge of that part of Anbar said, "I don't have enough troops. They've given me a mission to protect against the Syrian border. I don't have enough troops to do that."
They have never had enough troops to get it under control. They didn't have enough troops for the looters. And they haven't had enough troops ever since then to get the place under control.
But the key elements, as I see it -- you heard him say that 70 percent of the Iraqis were satisfied, in that paper they sent me. Now, you'll see a document that's in this package here that told me six months before -- well, in the victory document he says we have 212,000 people trained now, Iraqi security people. Last year, we had 96,000.
Yet, they wrote to me six months before the last year's statement that said they had 200,000. Now, why don't I believe them when they say anything? They said we got weapons of mass destruction. They said we got an Al Qaida connection. They said we got nuclear weapons. They said we cross this red line which surrounds Baghdad and we're going to have a war with them.
Eighty percent of the people, according to a British poll reported by the Washington Times, says we want the United States out; 77 percent of the people in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt say there's a better chance of democracy if the United States is not there because we're considered occupiers; 45 percent of the people in Iraq think that it's justified to kill Americans. They even had an official communique that says it's justified to attack Americans.
When the Iraqi government says they want Americans to leave Iraq, the Americans will leave Iraq.
All the Bunkum Slop polls notwithstanding!
The puppet regime in Iraq will only follow the orders from this administration. Is that a surprise for you?
cicerone imposter wrote:The puppet regime in Iraq will only follow the orders from this administration. Is that a surprise for you?
Bunkum Slop!
The puppet
cicerone imposter only opines what George Soros et al & the opinion-news media opine. Is that a surprise to anyone?
My grandchildren have won my allegiance.
This just in- War in Iraq is over- we lost.
dyslexia wrote:This just in- War in Iraq is over- we lost.
Breaking News!
It ain't over 'til it's over!
the fat lady has sung, the bugout has begun.
When the bugout is done, the war will be won.
You would think they would learn to get all their information first then talk. It is has gotten to the point where anything the leaders of the US or UK say is now suspect which is completely dangerous to the safety of both places.