Iraqis March to Denounce Elction Results
By SINAN SALAHEDDIN
Associated Press Writer
Quote:BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Protesters gathered across the country Friday to denounce parliamentary elections that demonstrators called rigged in favor of the main religious Shiite coalition.
In Baghdad, unknown assailants kidnapped a Sudanese diplomat and five other men as they left prayers at a mosque, a spokesman for Sudan's Foreign Ministry said. An Iraqi Foreign Ministry official said he had not heard of the abduction.
As many as 20,000 people demonstrated after noon prayers in southern Baghdad Friday in a protest organized by Sunni Arab groups and attended by representatives of secular Shia parties.
Many Iraqis outside the religious Shiite coalition allege that the elections were unfair to smaller Sunni Arab and secular Shiite groups.
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revel, That's only the tip of the iceberg. The Sunni and Shiia are at odds - something that will not change just because they had an election in Iraq. It's only a matter of time before civil war breaks out.
This administration's inability to understand the history of Iraq will blow up in their faces - probably sooner than later.
Do you have a link about Civil War breaking out, CI? or are you just bloviating again as usual without evidence?
Gee, "bloviating," such big words for simple minds.
Your purchase of this administration's rhetoric, hook, line, and sinker, just shows how ignorant you are about the realities of Iraq.
I think all a person would have to do is just get their heads out of the sand and merely follow the news of Iraq for the past few years and they would see that there have been violence between, shia, sunnis and kurds. Whether you want to call it "civil war" or merely violence between factions in Iraq, it is a fact that it happens as a matter of course rather than exception.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0822/p01s02-woiq.html
Quote:BAGHDAD - Finding a way to head off civil war is at the heart of all the major initiatives - including the talks over a new constitution - in Iraq. But by most common political-science definitions of the term, "civil war" is already here.
"It's not a threat. It's not a potential. Civil war is a fact of life there now,'' says Pavel Baev, head of the Center for the Study of Civil War at the Peace Research Institute in Oslo, Norway. He argues that until the nature of the conflict is accurately seen, good solutions cannot be found. "What's happening in Iraq is a multidimensional conflict. There's international terrorism, banditry, the major foreign military presence. But the civil war is the central part of it - the violent contestation for power inside the country."
Do you know about the Civil War in India and Pakistan? It has been going on for years, but the governments there operate well even though the border controversy has resulted in the loss of many lives and property.
I will be on these threads when the insurgency is much lessened. And then I will remind you.
Iraq: Game Over
By Robert Dreyfuss
23 December, 2005
Tompaine.com
The last hope for peace in Iraq was stomped to death this week. The victory of the Shiite religious coalition in the December 15 election hands power for the next four years to a fanatical band of fundamentalist Shiite parties backed by Iran, above all to the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI). Quietly backed by His Malevolence, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, sustained by a 20,000-strong paramilitary force called the Badr Brigade, and with both overt and covert support from Iran's intelligence service and its Revolutionary Guard corps, SCIRI will create a theocratic bastion state in its southern Iraqi fiefdom and use its power in Baghdad to rule what's left of the Iraqi state by force.
Does Morkat not know that India and Pakistan are two different independent countries and thus a civil war is a war between different sections or parties of the same country or nation?
And does Morkat not know that civil war with capital letters only refers to the Civil War in the USA?
Morkat should perhaps immatriculate to an evening school and take some lessons.
Mortkat wrote: Do you know about the Civil War in India and Pakistan?
Always trying to divert the issues to another country is grade school tactics of teenagers. It will not work here.
Do you really think< CI, that anyone with an ounce of brains would accept the garbage from Robert Dreyfuss from Tom Paine.com? The entire article is PURE SPECULATION. He presents NO hard evidence.
Does this mean that I can post articles from National Review and the Weekly Standard?
I do not do so because even a moron knows how right wing biased they are.
But Tom Paine, com--shame!!!!!
Mortkat, If you disagree with the content of the article, show where and why. Your inability to present evidence to the contrary shows how weak your arguments are.
Your mention of the 'civil war' between India and Pakistan proves your ignorance. Your claim that the US never imprisoned minorities in concentration camps also shows your ignorance of American history.
As Walter suggested, you must return to school, and I suggest you learn about American history before you go spouting about other countries.
I believe "concentration camps" and "Internment camps" are different. Both were horrible decisions, but no one was placed in ovens or starved to death en masse in the "internment camps" in America. That point should be made clear as there is a distinction between the two.
How does my mention of the Civil War in Pakistan and India prove my ignorance?
Please quote where I said the US never imprisoned minorities in concentration camps.
And as for History, I am very much afraid that it is I who will have to continue to point out your egregious errors.
And, McGentrix,your point is well taken.To try to equate the West Coast in World War II with Dachau and Buchenwald is surely foolish.
Mortkat wrote:
And, McGentrix,your point is well taken.To try to equate the West Coast in World War II with Dachau and Buchenwald is surely foolish.
There were some dozen of more concentration camps than these two - and lots were more cruel as well.
I doubt that besides Irving and some other fools anyone will compare those with e.g. the 'original' from the Second Boer War.
As well as Andersonville is been seen different to e.g. Guantanamo.
Baghdad, Iraq
After the massacres of Shias in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Wahabis have shifted their attention to Iraq in order to ignite hatred among the country's Sunni and Shia population.
A document seized by the US security forces proposes that the terrorist network provoke sectarian hatred and a civil war in Iraq, US officials said.
Top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt attributed the 17 page document to Abu Musab Zarqawi, a suspected Jordanian militant with al-Qaeda ties.
Brig. Gen. Kimmitt told a news conference in Baghdad: "We believe the document is credible and we take the threat seriously.
"There is clearly a plan on the part of outsiders to come into this country and spark civil war, breed sectarian violence and try to expose fissures in the society.
"We are persuaded that Zarqawi was the author of the letter."
Washington suspects Zarqawi in the killing of a U.S. diplomat in Jordan in 2002 and of links to Ansar al-Islam, a militant group operating in Iraq.
According to the BBC, a part of the document reads: "If we succeed in dragging them [the Shia] into a sectarian war, this will awaken the sleepy Sunnis who are fearful of destruction and death at the hands of the Shia."
The document also laments Al-Qaeda's inability to rid Iraq of US troops.
According to Reuters, chief spokesman for Iraq's U.S. governor Paul Bremer, Dan Senor said the document proposed attacks on shrines and Shia leaders.
Mr Senor said: "The document ... talks about a strategy of provoking violence targeted at the Shia, the Shia leaders in the hope that it would provoke reprisals against other ethnic groups in the country, all focused on provoking ethnic, sectarian warfare."
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Quote:How does my mention of the Civil War in Pakistan and India prove my ignorance?
It proves your ignorance because even I know that in order for a civil war to be a civil war it has to be in the same country. Pakistan and India are two different countries. (as walter already pointed out)
Some good news now:
Quote:Ali Abbas, the Iraqui boy who lost his family and both his arms in Bagdad, is making such good progress he has visited an ice rink and is planning a skiing holiday. The teenager has only seen snow once but plans to ski in the New Year.
...
Ali's courage and determination have brought him long way in the two years since he was phtographed in a Bagdad hospital, horrible injured and alone.
Fifteen members of his family including his father and pregnant mother, died in March 2003 when an Allied missile hit their home.
...
source: Evening Standard, Final Westend Edition, page 3, December 23, 2005
Mortkat wrote: Please quote where I said the US never imprisoned minorities in concentration camps."
Mortkat wrote: "You see, Walter, we never herded our minorities into concentration camps..."
Mortkat, You should refrain from using such words as "egregious errors." It makes you look even more ignorant.
cicerone imposter wrote:Mortkat wrote: Please quote where I said the US never imprisoned minorities in concentration camps."
Mortkat wrote: "You see, Walter, we never herded our minorities into concentration camps..."
To be precise:
Post: 1745742, posted at 19:33 GMT on the Bush supporters thread:
Mortkat wrote:I know about my country and concentration camps. I know about the Concentration camps for Japanese during World War II.
