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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:40 am
Git you a coupla rocks an' rub 'em together, we'll understand . . .
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 07:30 pm
revel wrote:

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Whether you agree with the following or not it is at least proof that democrats and other dissenting voices do offer solutions because in the following speech at least Kerry offers a plan for Iraq instead of merely saying, "stay the course."
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Yes, some democrats have offered solutions -- nearly the same solution as the Bush administration is currently pursuing, flee Iraq, or increase the number of our troops in Iraq.

John Forbes Kerry lied at least twice in his October 26, 2005 speech.

His characterization of the Bush administration's solution as merely "stay the course" is a lie. The Bush administration's solution is the seven step course they specified in 2003. It is the course they have stayed and are staying and have repeatedly declared they will stay. Their solution is to establish a democracy in Iraq secured by the Iraqis themselves. They have completed four of the seven steps in their solution:
(1) Select an initial Iraq government to hold a first election.
(2) Establish and begin training an Iraq self-defense military.
(3) Hold a democratic election of an interim government whose primary function is to write a proposed constitution for a new Iraq democratic government.
(4) Submit that proposed constitution to Iraq voters for approval or disapproval.
(5) After approval by Iraq voters of an Iraq democratic government constitution, hold under that constitution a first election of the members of that government.
(6) Help train as specified by the new Iraq government an Iraq military to secure that Iraq government.
(7) Remove our military from Iraq in a phased withdrawal.

Step (5) will occur December 2005.

Is their progress toward their solution fast enough? NO!
Have they committed many blunders along the way? YES!
Are they making progress toward their solution? YES!

John Forbes Kerry admits he would not have voted to invade Iraq merely to stop and prevent Saddam's government from harboring al Qaeda and other terrorists in contradiction of six of Congresses 23 Whereases (i.e., reasons) for its resolution, Oct. 16, 2002, H.J. Res. 114, To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq:
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(10) Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

(11) Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

(20) Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

(21) Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

(22) Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and,

(23) Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region:



Even though all six of these reasons were known in 2002 (and are now known) to be true and not false, if John Forbes Kerry were president, he would have ignored these six Whereases and would have had no solution for ridding Iraq of what was before the invasion of Iraq, a rapidly growing al Qaeda training operation. Thus, if he were president he would have made zero progress ridding Iraq of its al Qaeda training camps.

John Forbes Kerry lied again when he said in his October 26, 2005 speech: "An Iraq which increasingly is what it was not before the war -- a breeding ground for homegrown terrorists and a magnet for foreign terrorists." Per the above six Whereases, Iraq was before as well as after the war a breeding ground for homegrown terrorists and a magnet for foreign terrorists.

Here are the pertinent excerpts from his speech:
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October 26, 2005
Senator Kerry’s Speech at Georgetown University
Excerpts of remarks as prepared for delivery

Kerry speaks from his heart and conscience on Iraq:

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Now more than 2,000 brave Americans have given their lives, and several hundred thousand more have done everything in their power to wade through the ongoing internal civil strife in Iraq. An Iraq which increasingly is what it was not before the war -- a breeding ground for homegrown terrorists and a magnet for foreign terrorists.
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The truth is, if the Bush Administration had come to the United States Senate and acknowledged there was no “slam dunk case” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, acknowledged that Iraq was not connected to 9/11, there never would have even been a vote to authorize the use of force -- just as there’s no vote today to invade North Korea, Iran, Cuba, or a host of regimes we rightfully despise.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:29 pm
This might be good news for a change.

November 22, 2005
Iraqi Factions Seek Timetable for U.S. Pullout
By HASSAN M. FATTAH
CAIRO, Nov. 21 - For the first time, Iraq's political factions on Monday collectively called for a timetable for withdrawal of foreign forces, in a moment of consensus that comes as the Bush administration battles pressure at home to commit itself to a pullout schedule.

The announcement, made at the conclusion of a reconciliation conference here backed by the Arab League, was a public reaching out by Shiites, who now dominate Iraq's government, to Sunni Arabs on the eve of parliamentary elections that have been put on shaky ground by weeks of sectarian violence.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces," the statement said.

"The Iraqi people are looking forward to the day when foreign forces will leave Iraq, when its armed and security forces will be rebuilt and when they can enjoy peace and stability and an end to terrorism," it continued.

The meeting was intended as preparation for a much larger conference in Iraq in late February. The recommendations made here are to be the starting ground for that meeting.

Shiite leaders have long maintained that a pullout should be done according to milestones, and not before Iraqi security forces are fully operational. The closing statement upheld a Sunni demand for a pullout, while preserving aspects of Shiite demands, but did not specify when a withdrawal should begin, making it more of a symbolic gesture than a concrete agenda item that could be followed up by the Iraqi government.

The statement, while condemning the wave of terrorism that has engulfed Iraq, also broadly acknowledged a general right to resist foreign occupation. That was another effort to compromise with Sunnis who had sought to legitimize the insurgency. The statement condemned terror attacks and religious backing for them, and it demanded the release of innocent prisoners and an investigation into reports of torture.

Almost all the delegates belong to political parties that represent the spectrum of Iraqi politics.

But while Sunni parties hinted at their lines of communication to nationalist and tribal insurgents, none would admit any link to militants like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has led a wave of suicide bombings through his group Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.

The wording was a partial victory for Iraq's Sunni politicians, who have long demanded that the United States commit to a scheduled pullout.

While the wording stopped short of condoning armed resistance to the occupation, it broadly acknowledged that "national resistance is a legitimate right of all nations."

"This is the first time that something like this is said collectively and in public," Muhammad Bashar al-Faythi, spokesman for the hard-line Sunni Muslim Scholars Council, said Monday, referring to the timetable. "We managed to convince them of the importance of a timed pullout."

On Monday, Iraq's interior minister, Bayan Jabr, said American-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, adding that the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the United Nations Security Council earlier this month could be the last, The Associated Press reported.

"By mid-next year, we will be 75 percent done in building our forces, and by the end of next year it will be fully ready," Mr. Jabr told Al Jazeera, the pan-Arab news channel.

The Monday statement offered Shiite politicians concessions, too, by condemning the wave of terrorism against Shiites, condemning trumped-up theological arguments for attacks on Shiites, and ultimately legitimizing the political process that has made Shiite politicians the dominant political force in Iraq.

"Some of the sides that were especially sensitive have opened up with the support of the Arab League," said Sheik Humam Hamoudi, a Shiite cleric who was chairman of the Iraqi constitution-drafting committee. "We now clearly see that Sunnis have entered politics, and this meeting won't change that."

"If this meeting did anything, it was to comfort the Arabs and the Iraqi Sunnis about the whole process," he added. "The solution first is that Sunnis enter politics, then they enter government, then we deliver services to their areas, and then we build a strong government."

The statement also called for the release of all prisoners who had not been charged or were deemed innocent, and asked Arab League members to cancel Iraq's debts and assist in building Iraqi security forces.

Perhaps the biggest winner of the meeting was the 22-member Arab League itself, which has entered the political scene in Iraq hoping to repeat its success in 1989, when it brokered an end to Lebanon's 15-year civil war in a similar conference.

The Arab League's secretary general, Amr Moussa, said Monday that the results of the meeting were a success, but he warned that expectations should remain modest.

"This is a success for the most part," he told reporters. "We succeeded in 70 percent of the issues. We will move step by step, but what happened was very significant."

The Iraqi politicians thrashed out their differences in the most open debate about the country's future yet. Starting Saturday, they wasted no time expressing their complaints and differences, after more than two years of sectarian violence.

"Even if there is no agreement, we will have accomplished a conversation," Iraq's interim president, Jalal Talabani, said Sunday. Mr. Talabani and other senior members of the government refrained from taking a direct part in closed-door sessions of the three-day conference.

The meeting ultimately centered on Iraq's insurgency and its causes, seeking to goad Sunnis to lay down their weapons and join the political system, while forcing Shiite politicians to acknowledge Sunni grievances. On Sunday, Mr. Talabani said he was willing to meet Iraqi insurgents if they dropped their weapons.

Saad al-Janabi, head of the Iraqi Republican Party, said: "No one can directly influence the resistance in Iraq. But they don't intend to maintain their resistance forever. As soon as the occupation leaves, you will see all this sectarianism and division end."

From the start, the meeting was beset by controversy as many, especially Shiites, objected to plans to invite former Baath Party officials to take part. Even the statement's release was delayed Monday because of last-minute objections by Sunni leaders. But with some diplomacy, which included shuttling from the general assembly to Mr. Moussa's offices for private talks, a compromise was reached Monday evening.

The United Nations, the Gulf Cooperation Council, the United States and European officials have all applauded the reconciliation effort. Still, most of those attending said there was no guarantee the conference would have any direct impact on the violence in Iraq soon.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 01:03 am
"After next month's elections, when a new Iraqi government takes over and contracts are signed it will become clearer how much oil was part of London and Washington's pre-war plans."

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Companies waiting in the wings for Iraqi riches
By Leonard Doyle, Foreign Editor
Published: 22 November 2005

On the eve of the war in Iraq, there was a shocking moment of clarity in the Commons when Jack Straw revealed that when it was all over, France and Germany would not be allowed to "get their snouts in the trough".

This public slap in the face to Britain's biggest EU partners gave an insight into what was really concentrating US and British minds. Having constructed a tortuous case for war over Iraq's lack of co-operation with the UN security Council, plans were being laid for post-Saddam Iraq excluding non-coalition countries.

Straw's remarks revealed the focused on Iraqs oil. The World's four oil giants (BP, Exxon, Chevron and Shell) , have been desperate to get back into Iraq, since being booted out in the nationalisation of 1972.

Iraq sits on the world's second largest proven oil reserves, expected to increase to reserves of 200-plus billion barrels of high-grade crude. No one doubts Bush's determination to ensure "friendly" companies gain the lion's share of lucrative oil contracts - worth hundreds of billions of dollars over many decades.

Iraq's new constitution - practically written by US and Foreign office advisors, guarantees a major role for foreign companies. Production Sharing Agreements would hand over control of dozens of oil fields, like the gian Majnoon .

After next month's elections, when a new Iraqi government takes over and contracts are signed it will become clearer how much oil was part of London and Washington's pre-war plans.

On the eve of the war in Iraq, there was a shocking moment of clarity in the Commons when Jack Straw revealed that when it was all over, France and Germany would not be allowed to "get their snouts in the trough".

This public slap in the face to Britain's biggest EU partners gave an insight into what was really concentrating US and British minds. Having constructed a tortuous case for war over Iraq's lack of co-operation with the UN security Council, plans were being laid for post-Saddam Iraq excluding non-coalition countries.

Straw's remarks revealed the focused on Iraqs oil. The World's four oil giants (BP, Exxon, Chevron and Shell) , have been desperate to get back into Iraq, since being booted out in the nationalisation of 1972.
Iraq sits on the world's second largest proven oil reserves, expected to increase to reserves of 200-plus billion barrels of high-grade crude. No one doubts Bush's determination to ensure "friendly" companies gain the lion's share of lucrative oil contracts - worth hundreds of billions of dollars over many decades.

Iraq's new constitution - practically written by US and Foreign office advisors, guarantees a major role for foreign companies. Production Sharing Agreements would hand over control of dozens of oil fields, like the gian Majnoon .

After next month's elections, when a new Iraqi government takes over and contracts are signed it will become clearer how much oil was part of London and Washington's pre-war plans.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 01:39 am
OIL? Of course oil is important. Read the expose on the Oil for Food scandal in the UN and the Billions of dollars acquired by French and Russian interests which make the data in Walter Hinteler's commentary look like child's play.

Pre-war plans of Washington and London?" Piffle!!!

The Chicago Tribune Editorial of Nov. 14th entitled reveals exactly where the OIL MONEY went.

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"The 623 page report by Paul Volcker says that more than half of the 4,700 companies worldwide that participated inthe oil-for-food paid some $1.8 BILLION in illegal kickbacks to the former Iraq regime...Tariq Aziz, then Iraq's deputy prime minister has told probers that beneficiaries of Hussein's largess received oil allocations PEGGED TO THEIR LEVEL OF OPPOSITION TO SANCTIONS...As the Washington Post summed up the findings Friday: Iraq used its oil wealth to influence SOME COUNTRIES'POLICIES AT THE UNITED NATIONS, AWARDING

RUSSIA

19 BILLION IN OIL CONTRACTS

and

FRANCE

4.4 BILLION IN DEALS.


And some opponents of the war still fault the Bush Administration for not following the wisdom France, Russia and other tainted governments in viewing a war as unnecessary???

With so many of Hussein's influential defenders around the world ON THE TAKE, it's remarkable that the UN Security Council even went through the charade of adopting all of its anti-Iraq resolutions--demands on Hussein that many governments CLEARLY HAD NO INTENTIONS OF SEEING ENFORCED. HAD THE SECURITY COUNCIL BACKED UPO THAT PILE OF FECKLESS RESOLUTIONS WITH THE ACTION IT HAD THREATENED, HUSSEIN'S WEAPONS PROGRAM WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTED FOR WHAT IT WAS: AN AMBITIOUS AND PREVIOUSLY DEPLOYED AGENT OF MASS DEATH THAT THE DICTATOR HAD SECRETLY DISMANTLED."

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I am very much afraid that Walter Hinteler does not realize that Oil is a fungible commodity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 01:44 am
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Iraq's oil: The spoils of war

By Philip Thornton, Economics Correspondent
Published: 22 November 2005

Iraqis face the dire prospect of losing up to $200bn (£116bn) of the wealth of their country if an American-inspired plan to hand over development of its oil reserves to US and British multinationals comes into force next year. A report produced by American and British pressure groups warns Iraq will be caught in an "old colonial trap" if it allows foreign companies to take a share of its vast energy reserves. The report is certain to reawaken fears that the real purpose of the 2003 war on Iraq was to ensure its oil came under Western control.

The Iraqi government has announced plans to seek foreign investment to exploit its oil reserves after the general election, which will be held next month. Iraq has 115 billion barrels of proved oil reserves, the third largest in the world.

According to the report, from groups including War on Want and the New Economics Foundation (NEF), the new Iraqi constitution opened the way for greater foreign investment. Negotiations with oil companies are already under way ahead of next month's election and before legislation is passed, it said.

The groups said they had amassed details of high-level pressure from the US and UK governments on Iraq to look to foreign companies to rebuild its oil industry. It said a Foreign Office code of practice issued in summer last year said at least $4bn would be needed to restore production to the levels before the 1990-91 Gulf War. "Given Iraq's needs it is not realistic to cut government spending in other areas and Iraq would need to engage with the international oil companies to provide appropriate levels of foreign direct investment to do this," it said.

Yesterday's report said the use of production sharing agreements (PSAs) was proposed by the US State Department before the invasion and adopted by the Coalition Provisional Authority. "The current government is fast-tracking the process. It is already negotiating contracts with oil companies in parallel with the constitutional process, elections and passage of a Petroleum Law," the report, Crude Designs, said.

Earlier this year a BBC Newsnight report claimed to have uncovered documents showing the Bush administration made plans to secure Iraqi oil even before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the US. Based on its analysis of PSAs in seven countries, it said multinationals would seek rates of return on their investment from 42 to 162 per cent, far in excess of typical 12 per cent rates.

Taking an assumption of $40 a barrel, below the current price of almost $60, and a likely contract term of 25 to 40 years, it said that Iraq stood to lose between £74bn and $194bn. Andrew Simms, the NEF's policy director, said: "Over the last century, Britain and the US left a global trail of conflict, social upheaval and environmental damage as they sought to capture and control a disproportionate share of the world's oil reserves. Now it seems they are determined to increase their ecological debts at Iraq's expense. Instead of a new beginning, Iraq is caught in a very old colonial trap."

Louise Richards, chief executive of War on Want, said: "People have increasingly come to realise the Iraq war was about oil, profits and plunder. Despite claims from politicians that this is a conspiracy theory, our report gives detailed evidence to show Iraq's oil profits are well within the sights of the oil multinationals."

The current Iraqi government has indicated that it wants to treble production from two million barrels a day this year to six million. The US Energy Information Administration said such an increase would ease "market tensions" that have kept the price high. But governments and oil companies in the West said the report was purely hypothetical and that the issue was a matter for the Iraqi people. They also pointed out that Iraq needed money to rebuild in the sector.

A spokesman for the Foreign Office said the country's oil industry was in desperate need of investment after years of under-investment, UN sanctions, vandalism by Saddam Hussein and more recent sabotage by insurgents and general looting. "The Iraqi government has made it clear that the decision is a matter for its authorities but they understand that it would require a lot of investment," he said. He said it was not surprising that Iraq should look to outside experts to help rebuild an industry that was the key source of revenue to help rebuild the country.

"We work closely with other departments such as the Treasury to give assistance and advice," he said, adding that the Foreign Office had not been involved in specific lobbying.

Gregg Muttitt, of Platform, a campaign group that co-authored the report, said Iraq had an existing - albeit damaged - network of oil expertise and could use current revenues or new borrowings to fund investment. The report named several companies, including the Anglo-Dutch Shell group, as jockeying for position before a new government is elected. In 2003, Walter van de Vijver, then head of exploration and production, said investors would need "some assurance of future income and a supportive contractual arrangement". The groupsaidyesterday that the involvement of foreign oil companies would be determined by the new Iraqi administration. "We aspire to establish a long-term presence in Iraq and a long-term relationship with the Iraqis, including the newly elected government."

No multinationals are operating in Iraq now because of the poor security situation.

Iraqis face the dire prospect of losing up to $200bn (£116bn) of the wealth of their country if an American-inspired plan to hand over development of its oil reserves to US and British multinationals comes into force next year. A report produced by American and British pressure groups warns Iraq will be caught in an "old colonial trap" if it allows foreign companies to take a share of its vast energy reserves. The report is certain to reawaken fears that the real purpose of the 2003 war on Iraq was to ensure its oil came under Western control.

The Iraqi government has announced plans to seek foreign investment to exploit its oil reserves after the general election, which will be held next month. Iraq has 115 billion barrels of proved oil reserves, the third largest in the world.

According to the report, from groups including War on Want and the New Economics Foundation (NEF), the new Iraqi constitution opened the way for greater foreign investment. Negotiations with oil companies are already under way ahead of next month's election and before legislation is passed, it said.

The groups said they had amassed details of high-level pressure from the US and UK governments on Iraq to look to foreign companies to rebuild its oil industry. It said a Foreign Office code of practice issued in summer last year said at least $4bn would be needed to restore production to the levels before the 1990-91 Gulf War. "Given Iraq's needs it is not realistic to cut government spending in other areas and Iraq would need to engage with the international oil companies to provide appropriate levels of foreign direct investment to do this," it said.

Yesterday's report said the use of production sharing agreements (PSAs) was proposed by the US State Department before the invasion and adopted by the Coalition Provisional Authority. "The current government is fast-tracking the process. It is already negotiating contracts with oil companies in parallel with the constitutional process, elections and passage of a Petroleum Law," the report, Crude Designs, said.

Earlier this year a BBC Newsnight report claimed to have uncovered documents showing the Bush administration made plans to secure Iraqi oil even before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the US. Based on its analysis of PSAs in seven countries, it said multinationals would seek rates of return on their investment from 42 to 162 per cent, far in excess of typical 12 per cent rates.

Taking an assumption of $40 a barrel, below the current price of almost $60, and a likely contract term of 25 to 40 years, it said that Iraq stood to lose between £74bn and $194bn. Andrew Simms, the NEF's policy director, said: "Over the last century, Britain and the US left a global trail of conflict, social upheaval and environmental damage as they sought to capture and control a disproportionate share of the world's oil reserves. Now it seems they are determined to increase their ecological debts at Iraq's expense. Instead of a new beginning, Iraq is caught in a very old colonial trap."
Louise Richards, chief executive of War on Want, said: "People have increasingly come to realise the Iraq war was about oil, profits and plunder. Despite claims from politicians that this is a conspiracy theory, our report gives detailed evidence to show Iraq's oil profits are well within the sights of the oil multinationals."

The current Iraqi government has indicated that it wants to treble production from two million barrels a day this year to six million. The US Energy Information Administration said such an increase would ease "market tensions" that have kept the price high. But governments and oil companies in the West said the report was purely hypothetical and that the issue was a matter for the Iraqi people. They also pointed out that Iraq needed money to rebuild in the sector.

A spokesman for the Foreign Office said the country's oil industry was in desperate need of investment after years of under-investment, UN sanctions, vandalism by Saddam Hussein and more recent sabotage by insurgents and general looting. "The Iraqi government has made it clear that the decision is a matter for its authorities but they understand that it would require a lot of investment," he said. He said it was not surprising that Iraq should look to outside experts to help rebuild an industry that was the key source of revenue to help rebuild the country.

"We work closely with other departments such as the Treasury to give assistance and advice," he said, adding that the Foreign Office had not been involved in specific lobbying.

Gregg Muttitt, of Platform, a campaign group that co-authored the report, said Iraq had an existing - albeit damaged - network of oil expertise and could use current revenues or new borrowings to fund investment. The report named several companies, including the Anglo-Dutch Shell group, as jockeying for position before a new government is elected. In 2003, Walter van de Vijver, then head of exploration and production, said investors would need "some assurance of future income and a supportive contractual arrangement". The groupsaidyesterday that the involvement of foreign oil companies would be determined by the new Iraqi administration. "We aspire to establish a long-term presence in Iraq and a long-term relationship with the Iraqis, including the newly elected government."

No multinationals are operating in Iraq now because of the poor security situation.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 02:31 am
Walter Hinteler- Your post includes a critical word in its first paragraph-

IF

On the other hand, my facts about the OIL FOR FOOD scandal HAVE OCCURED.

I am sure that documented facts take precedence over hypotheticals.

If the IF the writer fears comes about, I urge you to post then. You are not, and cannot be certain that such an event will transpire.

I class it as useless prognastication based on shaky assumptions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 02:58 am
So you don't think that the American-inspired plan to hand over development of Iraq oil reserves to US and British multinationals comes into force next year.

We'll see, as you said.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 03:06 am
Yes, we will see, Walter Hinteler. I note you WISELY omitted any comment on what has been documented- The Oil for Food Scandal involving Russia, France and others--why? Does it upset your applecart?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 05:37 am
Somebody didn't get the memo that the "Oil for Food Scam" argument has become a bit problematic....

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The scale of the shipments involved dwarfs those previously alleged by the Senate committee against UN staff and European politicians like the British MP, George Galloway, and the former French minister, Charles Pasqua.

In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.

"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.


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revel
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:10 am
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CAIRO, Nov. 21 - For the first time, Iraq's political factions on Monday collectively called for a timetable for withdrawal of foreign forces, in a moment of consensus that comes as the Bush administration battles pressure at home to commit itself to a pullout schedule.

The announcement, made at the conclusion of a reconciliation conference here backed by the Arab League, was a public reaching out by Shiites, who now dominate Iraq's government, to Sunni Arabs on the eve of parliamentary elections that have been put on shaky ground by weeks of sectarian violence.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces," the statement said.

"The Iraqi people are looking forward to the day when foreign forces will leave Iraq, when its armed and security forces will be rebuilt and when they can enjoy peace and stability and an end to terrorism," it continued.

The meeting was intended as preparation for a much larger conference in Iraq in late February. The recommendations made here are to be the starting ground for that meeting.

In Washington, Justin Higgins, a State Department spokesman, said, "The United States supports the basic foundation of the conference and we certainly support ongoing discussion among Iraq's various political and religious communities."

But regarding troop withdrawal, he said: "Multinational forces are present in Iraq under a mandate from the U.N. Security Council. As President Bush has said, the coalition remains committed to helping the Iraqi people achieve security and stability as they rebuild their country. We will stay as long as it takes to achieve those goals and no longer."
Shiite leaders have long maintained that a pullout should be done according to milestones, and not before Iraqi security forces are fully operational. The closing statement upheld a Sunni demand for a pullout, while preserving aspects of Shiite demands, but did not specify when a withdrawal should begin, making it more of a symbolic gesture than a concrete agenda item that could be followed up by the Iraqi government.

The statement, while condemning the wave of terrorism that has engulfed Iraq, also broadly acknowledged a general right to resist foreign occupation. That was another effort to compromise with Sunnis who had sought to legitimize the insurgency. The statement condemned terror attacks and religious backing for them, and it demanded the release of innocent prisoners and an investigation into reports of torture.

Almost all the delegates belong to political parties that represent the spectrum of Iraqi politics.

But while Sunni parties hinted at their lines of communication to nationalist and tribal insurgents, none would admit any link to militants like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has led a wave of suicide bombings through his group Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.

The wording was a partial victory for Iraq's Sunni politicians, who have long demanded that the United States commit to a scheduled pullout.

While the wording stopped short of condoning armed resistance to the occupation, it broadly acknowledged that "national resistance is a legitimate right of all nations."

"This is the first time that something like this is said collectively and in public," Muhammad Bashar al-Faythi, spokesman for the hard-line Sunni Muslim Scholars Council, said Monday, referring to the timetable. "We managed to convince them of the importance of a timed pullout."

On Monday, Iraq's interior minister, Bayan Jabr, said American-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, adding that the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the United Nations Security Council earlier this month could be the last, The Associated Press reported.


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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 07:42 am
Thanks for the articles from the Independent Walter. I think for some people the penny is finally dropping. We invaded Iraq to take control of its oil. Why did we do this? Because Iraqi sweet crude was just too tempting. The world is moving into an era of depleting oil supply whilst demand rises exponentially from China and India. America already imports nearly 60% of its daily oil needs. As supplies from around the world start to deplete (e.g. Venezuala, North Sea) the areas where oil is still abundant take on even more significance. This explains why Iraq with its vast resources of high grade conventional oil, is the keystone to American foreign policy.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 08:59 am
I wonder why we haven't just annexed the country then? Why would the US even bother pretending to install a democratic government? It would have been a lot easier to just bribe Saddam like so many other countries were doing than to risk everything going to war with him don't you think?
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:02 am
McGentrix wrote:
It would have been a lot easier to just bribe Saddam like so many other countries were doing [...]


You didn't get the memo neither, I suppose?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:03 am
I sometimes get the idea that the USA is still in the process of annexing the country.

And bribing didn't work - as you perhaps remember.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:13 am
McGentrix wrote:
I wonder why we haven't just annexed the country then? Why would the US even bother pretending to install a democratic government? It would have been a lot easier to just bribe Saddam like so many other countries were doing than to risk everything going to war with him don't you think?


Because OE's source gives a wholly different perspective that our own Washington Post as to what the Senate report said. Nobody, and I mean nobody, thinks the Washington Post is favorable to George W. Bush or the current administration and it has ripped them every chance it gets. In this particular issue, however, the Post reports:

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Oil-for-Food Benefited Russians, Report Says
Iraq Sought to Influence U.N. Through Moscow

By Justin Blum and Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, May 16, 2005; Page A01

Top Kremlin operatives and a flamboyant Russian politician reaped millions of dollars in profits under the U.N. oil-for-food program by selling oil that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein allowed them to buy at a deep discount, a Senate investigation has concluded.

The allegations -- which also include descriptions of kickbacks paid to Hussein -- are detailed in hundreds of pages of reports and documents made public last night by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in advance of a hearing tomorrow.

A Profitable Arrangement
How Some Transactions Worked Seeking to retain Russia's support in the United Nations, Saddam Hussein gave prominent Russians rights to buy Iraqi oil at discounts. The politically influential Russians then made millions of dollars in profits by selling the oil.

The documents outline a trail of oil and money that leads directly from Iraq to the Kremlin and the former chief of staff to Russian President Vladimir Putin and former president Boris Yeltsin. The report said Iraq sought to influence and reward the Russian government because it sits on the powerful U.N. Security Council that oversaw sanctions against the Hussein government. Russia repeatedly sided with Iraq on issues before the Security Council.

Yevgeniy V. Khorishko, a spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Washington, said it had received the Senate reports but could not yet discuss the findings. "We are looking into them," Khorishko said. "It's too early to give any comment."

MORE. . . . .


On the second page you find:

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Bayoil played a key role in a number of transactions, the report said. The company had conducted an "aggressive campaign" to buy Iraqi oil under the oil-for-food program, but its efforts were stymied by a Hussein policy forbidding direct contracting with U.S. or British companies. Iraq also required the company that purchased the oil to be in the same country as the recipient of the allocation.

The report described cases in which Bayoil orchestrated transactions between Iraq and Zhirinovsky. The company arranged for a Russian entity to purchase the oil and, without ever taking possession, sell it to Bayoil. A letter from Bayoil described how the company paid an "agreed premium" to Zhirinovsky for his allocation.


SOURCE

In short, the Guardian piece is most likely highly exaggerated if not highly erroneous.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:15 am
Foxfyre wrote:

In short, the Guardian piece is most likely highly exaggerated if not highly erroneous.


Just because .... ehem, why exactly?

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It has also been alleged that the American and British governments were fully aware of the scandal, but opted to close their eyes to smuggling because their allies Turkey and Jordan benefited from the majority of the smuggled oil.

US Senator Carl Levin (D-Michigan) is quoted in an interview for the New York Times as saying "There is no question that the bulk of the illicit oil revenues came from the open sale of Iraqi oil to Jordan and to Turkey, and that that was a way of going around the oil-for-food program [and that] We were fully aware of the bypass and looked the other way."

The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations assigned to investigate the scandal has also concluded that

"The United States (government) was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions. On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales."

The report also found that individuals and companies in the United States accounted for 52% of all oil-voucher kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein. The largest of these recipients, Houston based Bayoil and its CEO, Bay Chalmers have been indicted by the US Department of Justice for their actions.

Further, during the sanctions regime, the United States and United Kingdom had a lot of influence in the Security Council regarding Iraq, and in general, the monitoring was very detailed.

Wikipedia
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:35 am
McGentrix wrote:
I wonder why we haven't just annexed the country then? Why would the US even bother pretending to install a democratic government? It would have been a lot easier to just bribe Saddam like so many other countries were doing than to risk everything going to war with him don't you think?


To maintain a fig leaf of legality.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:35 am
If the 'administration' turned a blind eye and ignored the problem as the Guardian piece implied, how did Bayoil get indicted? Hmm?

And where are the outcries of outrage and demands for retribution from Jordan or Russia or France or Kofi Annan's son's company or any other countries/companies/organization who were involved in this mess?

Tell me somebody who cares other than that the United States be embarrassed and/or excoriated.

Bayoil is pretty small potatoes among American oil companies. If they broke the law, they will be dealt with in no uncertain terms. But to suggest that George Bush or the administration knew what was going on and did nothing about it is absurd.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 09:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:
If the 'administration' turned a blind eye and ignored the problem as the Guardian piece implied, how did Bayoil get indicted? Hmm?


It's all in the "REPORT ON ILLEGAL SURCHARGES ON OIL-FOR-FOOD CONTRACTS AND ILLEGAL OIL SHIPMENTS FROM KHOR AL-AMAYA"

You'll find some interesting facts there. Example? Here we go:

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U.S. Failure to Exercise Oversight of U.S. Nationals Buying Iraqi Oil

At the same time U.S. officials aggressively pursued action at the United Nations to prevent Iraq from imposing illegal surcharges, the United States failed to take meaningful action to ensure that U.S. nationals were not paying those surcharges.


or, this bit:

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U.S. Knowledge of Khor al-Amaya Oil Shipments

The evidence is clear that the U.N. Oil Overseers notified the United States of the Khor al-Amaya loadings as soon as they learned of them in mid-February 2003. In addition, there is significant evidence that the United States knew of plans to load the oil even before some of the chartered ships arrived in Iraq.

Ship communications obtained by the Subcommittee indicate that the U.S. Navy, which was then in command of the Maritime Interdiction Force, was informed before-the-fact that oil tankers would be docking at Khor al-Amaya, and had been instructed to permit the loadings of oil and not confiscate any of the ships or cargoes.


the report
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