US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

Ican, your time line skips over the Cyrus the Persian and the Assyrians, neither of whom were technically Arab. They both held all or parts of Canaan for a time. That of course does not change the overall premise of your argument.

The forefathers of both the arab terrorists and the arab non-terrorist's conquered the ME and subsequently were themselves conquered repeatedly. It goes back at least 13 hundred years.

By the way, the Arabs originally emigrated from Arabia to conquer Palestine. Maybe that's why they are called Arabs.

Ican you should know better than to stick your head above the historical parapet when Setanta's about.

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history of Arabia
history of the region from prehistoric times to the present.

Some time after the rise of Islam in the first quarter of the 7th century AD and the emergence of the Arabian Muslims as the founders of one of the great empires of history, the name “'Arab” came to be used by these Muslims themselves and by the nations with whom they came in contact to indicate all people of Arabian origin. The very name Arabia, or its Arabic name Jazirat al-'Arab, has come to be used for the whole peninsula.

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Arabia was the cradle of Islam, and through this faith it influenced every Muslim people. Islam, essentially Arabian in nature, whatever superficial external influences may have affected it, is Arabia's outstanding contribution to world civilization.

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Tribes summoned to the banners of Islam launched a career of conquest that promised to satisfy the mandate of their new faith as well as the desire for booty and lands. With families and flocks, they left the peninsula.

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As the conquests far beyond Arabia poured loot into the Holy Cities (Mecca and Medina), they became wealthy centres of a sophisticated Arabian culture; Medina became a centre for Qur'anic study, the evolution of Islamic law, and historical record.

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Well I still wouldnt bet on Brittannica vs Setanta. (And Brittannica doesnt actually mention Palestine in your quote)

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The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BC occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv-Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century AD in "Syria Palaestina," designating the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way thence into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region at least since the early Islamic era. After Roman times the name had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain; in addition to an area roughly comprising present-day Israel and the West Bank, the mandate included the territory east of the Jordan River now constituting the Hashimite Kingdom of Jordan, which Britain placed under an administration separate from that of Palestine immediately after receiving the mandate for the territory.

The name Palestine has long been in popular use as a general term to denote a traditional region, but this usage does not imply precise boundaries. The perception of what constitutes Palestine's eastern boundary has been especially fluid, although the boundary frequently has been perceived as lying east of the Jordan River, extending at times to the edge of the Arabian Desert. In contemporary understanding, however, Palestine is generally defined as a region bounded on the east by the Jordan River, on the north by the border between modern Israel and Lebanon, on the west by the Mediterranean Sea (including the coast of Gaza), and on the south bythe Negev, with its southernmost extension reaching the Gulf of Aqaba.
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The forefathers of both the arab terrorists and the arab non-terrorist's conquered the ME and subsequently were themselves conquered repeatedly. It goes back at least 13 hundred years.

Your statement in the quote does not make any sense. Why not simply say that the ME has been fought over for hundreds of years and leave the whole bit about forefathers and terrorist non or otherwise out of it?

For that matter I don't see any relevance to the whole point. Why don't you clear it up in terms of how it is relates to any of the previous discussions?

Well I still wouldnt bet on Brittannica vs Setanta. (And Brittannica doesnt actually mention Palestine in your quote)

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Well I still wouldnt bet on Brittannica vs Setanta. (And Brittannica doesnt actually mention Palestine in your quote)

The largest Arab group to conquer and hold Canaan and all of Palestine were the Babylonians centered in what is now modern day Iraq. Check your Brittanica on that.

The largest Arab group to conquer and hold Canaan and all of Palestine were the Babylonians centered in what is now modern day Iraq. Check your Brittanica on that.

The early Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula were predominantly nomadic pastoralists who herded their sheep, goats, and camels through the harsh desert environment.

Foxfyre wrote:

The largest Arab group to conquer and hold Canaan and all of Palestine were the Babylonians centered in what is now modern day Iraq. Check your Brittanica on that.

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The early Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula were predominantly nomadic pastoralists who herded their sheep, goats, and camels through the harsh desert environment.

I couldn't find any hint confirming your response in the Britannica, only that the Babylonians were a part of the "ancient Mesopotamian civilization".

Could you give me the link, please?

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History of Arabia

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Some time after the rise of Islam in the first quarter of the 7th century AD and the emergence of the Arabian Muslims as the founders of one of the great empires of history, the name “'Arab” came to be used by these Muslims themselves and by the nations with whom they came in contact to indicate all people of Arabian origin.

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Arabia since the 7th century > Arabian and Islamic expansion > Struggle for leadership

In Arabia offices were generally hereditary and elective; but on Muhammad's death, Abu Bakr, the first caliph, aided by his own eventual successor, 'Umar, gained the leadership that Quraysh might have lost to others. They were not of the house of Hashim, which, from the outset, felt cheated of its rights. 'Ali, Muhammad's stepbrother and son-in-law, became the focus of legitimist claims to succeed the Prophet. 'Uthman, however, the third caliph, was descended from both the Umayyah and Hashim branches of 'Abd Manaf. The latter half of 'Uthman's reign coincided with a slackening in the tide of conquest. 'Uthman was censured for diverting property, revenues, and booty in Iraq and Egypt to his Quraysh relatives. Squabbles with the tribes resulted in 'Uthman's murder at Medina by opponents from Egypt. 'Ali was proclaimed caliph by the ansar, but he lost the political battle with 'Uthman's powerful relative Mu'awiyah, governor of Syria, who demanded retaliation against the murderers. 'Ali was later murdered by a Kharijite, a member of a dissident group. 'Ali had quitted Medina for Iraq, and the political power centre of Islam left the peninsula, never to return. 'Ali's posterity, however, played a key role in subsequent Arabian history.[/b]

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Once Mu'awiyah and the Umayyads had seized overlordship of the far-flung Islamic empire, which they ruled from Damascus, the Holy Cities remained only the spiritual capitals of Islam. The Umayyad caliphs appointed governors over the three crucial areas of the Hejaz, Yemen, and Oman; but in Iraq occasional powerful governors managed to control the Persian Gulf provinces, the gulf being an important maritime trade route, especially under the 'Abbasids. Occasionally Bahrain, Al-Hasa, and Najd also became regional centres of power within Arabia.

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History of Palestine

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In 628 the Byzantine emperor Heraclius recovered Palestine, and he subsequently restored the True Cross to Jerusalem, but 10 years later Arab armies invaded both the Persian and the Byzantine empires.

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Khalid ibn al-Walid, then operating in southern Iraq, was ordered to the aid of his fellow Arab generals on the Syrian front, and the combined forces won a bloody victory on July 30, 634, at a place in southern Palestine that the sources call Ajnadayn.

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In the meantime, the emperor Heraclius was mustering his own large army and in 636 dispatched it against the Muslims. Khalid concentrated his troops on the Yarmuk River, the eastern tributary of the Jordan River. The decisive battle that delivered Palestine to the Muslims took place on August 20, 636. Only Jerusalem and Caesarea held out, the former until 638, when it surrendered to the Muslims, and the latter until October 640. Palestine, and indeed all of Syria, was then in Muslim hands.

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73 AD:Fall of Jerusalem and all resistance ceases.

Jews stop ruling part of Palestine.

638 AD:Arabs take Jerusalem.

Arabs start ruling part of Palestine.

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