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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 07:42 pm
Hard to tell what the dispute is about, but if it is true that the wars from the French Revolution to Waterloo took between 4 and 6.5 million lives, given that Napoleon's rule of France as First Consul and later as Emperor took up over two-thirds of the period, it seems likely that at least from 2.7 to 4.3 millions died during Napoleon's rule. If only 40% of these were civilians (which seems conservative) then well over a million civilians were killed during the period, and possibly as many as 2.0 million. It is easy to overestimate the losses in the Grand Armee during the retreat from Moscow because so much of it was comprised of Poles, who deserted en masse when they reached their home territory in disillusion with the 'little emperor'. In any case I'm not sure that any of us can claim more accurate knowledge than that.

For a different take on the great man, here is an old late 19th century piece written by Robert Ingersol, a then well-known iconoclast. A bit corny, but I have long liked the sound of it.

AFTER VISITING THE TOMB OF NAPOLEON
by Robert G. Ingersoll

"A little while ago I stood by the grave of Napoleon, a magnificent tomb of gilt and gold, fit almost for a dead deity, and gazed upon the sarcophagus of black Egyptian marble where rests at last the ashes of the restless man. I leaned over the balustrade and thought about the career of the greatest soldier of the modern world. I saw him walking upon the banks of the Seine contemplating suicide; I saw him at Toulon; I saw him putting down the mob in the streets of Paris; I saw him at the head of the army of Italy; I saw him crossing the bridge at Lodi with the tricolor in his hand; I saw him in Egypt in the shadows of the pyramids; I saw him conquer the Alps and mingle the eagle of France with the eagles of the crags. I saw him at Marengo, at Ulm and Austerlitz. I saw him in Russia, where the infantry of the snow and the cavalry of the wild blast scattered his legions like winter's withered leaves. I saw him at Leipsic in defeat and disaster, driven by a million bayonets back upon Paris, clutched like a wild beast, banished to Elba. I saw him escape and retake an Empire by the force of his genius. I saw him upon the frightful field of Waterloo, when chance and fate combined to wreck the fortunes of their former king. And I saw him at St. Helena, with his hands crossed behind him, gazing out upon the sad and solemn sea. I thought of the orphans and widows he had made; of the tears that had been shed for his glory and of the only woman who had ever loved him pushed from his heart by the cold hand of ambition. And I said I would rather have been a French peasant and worn wooden shoes. I would rather have lived in a hut with a vine growing over the door and the grapes growing purple in the kisses of the autumn sun. I would rather have been that poor peasant with my loving wife by my side, knitting as the day died out of the sky, with my children upon my knee and their arms about me. I would rather have been that man and gone down to the tongueless silence of the dreamless dust than to have been that imperial impersonation of force and murder known as Napoleon the Great.And so I would ten thousand times. "
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 07:58 pm
Rather a quick and dirty analysis there, O'George. Do you care to speculate how many among your "well over a million" were victims of Prussians, Russians, Spaniards, Portugese, Austrians, English, etc.? How many do you think died of epidemic diseases which follow in the wake of armies?

Even were one to accept your rather too fast off the cuff estimate of over a million, that would not authorize Ican's specious contention. I rather suspect that you enjoy disagreeing with me, and that it has become habitual. For example, your reference to Poles deserting en masse takes no account of Doctorov and Davidov and a host of other partisan leaders of the aristocracy who killed anyone they found on the road or in the forests who was not Russian. It further takes no account of the likelihood of survival in a hostile Russia in the wintertime.

It's very sad to think of someone as well-informed as you taking up Ican's absurd contention just because you hate ever to agree with anything i've written. How pathetic.

As for Ingersoll, i could hardly agree more. Napoleon was greatly overrated, and is given credit for far more military ability than an attempt at an objective view of his life and times would warrant. His greatest skills were organizational, and he therefore brought to the highest degree of efficiency the military system which is wrongfully credited to him, but which was the product of the officers of royalist France, when he was still but a pewling youth.

As for suggesting 40% and then suggesting that this seems conservative, this ignores the extent to which those civilians who were not press-ganged into armies were largely left alone in the wars of the 18th century. Neither Napoleon, nor Alexander, nor either of the Hapsburgs, nor yet again Friedrich Wilhelm were so dense as to kill wantonly those who fed the armies.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:04 pm
Lash wrote:
He had France's psychotic Fronde and public executions off by a few years. Why act like you don't know what he's talking about?

<mutters....>


If that is directed at me, you are demonstrating an even greater ignorance than Ican. The word fronde means sling, and refers to a popular peasant weapon in the civil wars against Mazarin and Anne of Austria in the middle of the 17th century. The reign of terror of Robespierre's Comité de salut publique takes place at the very beginning of the Wars of the Revolution, when Napoleon was still putzing around Corsica, assuring by his political incompetence that the Corsicans would never willingly join the revolutionaries.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:11 pm
Well, you've got me Setanta. I do enjoy critiquing your recitations of history - not out of any personal animus, however. You do know a great deal and you do get a bit - engaged - in the discussion and disputation. I like to fancy that I too know and understand history quite well, but also don't think I can match you for specific detail in so many areas. So, when an opportunity comes my way.... Besides, I learn from it.

I have had the impression that you do something like this with me occasionally when I become a bit - wrapped up - in recitations of my political views. Perhaps your motives aren't altogether different from mine.

I generally don't waste my time needling jerks. Poking at the occasional faults in formidable figures, however, is quite another thing.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:11 pm
Setanta wrote:
You capacity for self-delusion no longer surprises me. Note that Napoleon does not come to power until 1799, seven years after the period specified in your article. Therefore, all of the casualties in the period 1792-1799 cannot be attributed to Bonarpart's regime
Yes, but they can be attibuted to prior French regimes plus Bonapate's regime and its 19th Century successors!

--the period which this article correcly identifies as the Wars of the Revolution. Then we get to the data highlighted by you with blue print about casualties--4 to 6.5 million, including civilian casualties. When one considers the number of casualties in the Wagram campaign, the number of casualties in the Prussian and Russian campaigns from 1805-1807, the casualties in the 1812 invasion of Russia, the horrible casualties the French suffered in Spain from 1808 to 1815, one can already account for several millions without any reference to civilians. I haven't the least doubt that you did not know that, for example, la Grande Armée which crossed the Vistula in 1812 numbered over one half million French, Germans, Italians, Dutch and Poles, and that 10,000 men marched out of that nightmare.
True! I didn't know that.

There's half a million in a single campaign. Reliable estimates for the long running Spanish disaster are from three to four hundred thousand French, Dutch, Polish and German casualties in the French occupation armies; which therefore, does not include the Spanish, the English, the Canadians or the Portugese who died in Spain. I suspect you are unaware that there were more than a half-million participants in the great battle of Leipsic in 1813.
True! I didn't know that either.

Subtracting the Wars of the Revolution, which include Napoleon's campaigns in Italy and Egypt, subtracting more than a million French and French-allied military dead, subtracting all of the Austrian, English, Canadian, Prussian, Spanish, Russian, Portugese, Egyptian and Turkish dead--subtracting all of the military and civilian deaths due to epidemic diseases, and you would be hard pressed to allege that even a million civilians died during the First Empire
True! I didn't know that either.

--and would still not be able to distinguish those who were killed with intent by the French, and those who were simply hapless victims. You would also not have accounted for the number of civilians who died because of the armies which opposed the French.
All true! But had Emperor Napoleon not attempted to conquer other nations none of these civilians would have died accidentally or deliberately because of Bonaparte's actions. For example, it was the intent of al Qaeda, bin Laden is quoted as saying, to destroy only the top floors of the World Trade Center, but all those that died who were located on lower floors were just as murdered by al Qaeda as the ones on the upper floors.

Which is a far cry from an ignorant, off-hand statement to the effect that millions of civilians died during the Bonapart regime. As usual, you shoot your mouth off without the least knowledge of the history you purport to cite.
Yes, I did that with only the knowledge that I quoted in the wikipedia article.

Are you also asserting that all my allegations of the murders committed by the listed 20th Century regimes are also untrue?

I don't think so.

Just those 20th Centuy horrors make the sum of all alleged American committed horrors trivial by comparison.

Now do you get the point? Rolling Eyes
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:13 pm
EDIT: This is addressed to O'George, who is worth the conversation--as opposed to those who make it up as they go along, and then try to dance their way out of the mudhole they've dug and filled with water.

I believe the vernacular describes that as a left-handed compliment. I'll take it for what it is worth, which is a good deal coming from you. Earlier in this incarnation of the longest running thread at this site, Ican tried to claim that the United States had engaged in numerous pre-emptive wars, and then used 1812, and Dubya-Dubya One and Two as examples. When challenged, he simply redefined "pre-emptive" to suit his purposes. I have little regard for his references to history as he obviously knows so damned little about it.

You, on the other hand, ought to know better.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:26 pm
Setanta wrote:


As for Ingersoll, i could hardly agree more. Napoleon was greatly overrated, and is given credit for far more military ability than an attempt at an objective view of his life and times would warrant. His greatest skills were organizational, and he therefore brought to the highest degree of efficiency the military system which is wrongfully credited to him, but which was the product of the officers of royalist France, when he was still but a pewling youth.
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I am of two minds about Napoleon. His many achievements cannot but draw admiration, and yet what did he leave...?

I'm not sure how much of the royalist tradition and skill remained in the French army after the revolution. Moreover, Napoleon selected upstarts as his Marshals, and quite thoroughly reorganized the whole structure, from outfitting and logistics to tactics and doctrine. (I know more about the Navy than the Army - poor old Villeneuve didn't have much going for him at Trafalgar - did you know he blew his brains out not long after the battle?) Finally there was a more important difference : Louis XIV lost most of his wars: until the end, Napoleon was a winner.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:35 pm
Setanta wrote:
EDIT: This is addressed to O'George, who is worth the conversation--as opposed to those who make it up as they go along, and then try to dance their way out of the mudhole they've dug and filled with water.

I believe the vernacular describes that as a left-handed compliment. I'll take it for what it is worth, which is a good deal coming from you. Earlier in this incarnation of the longest running thread at this site, Ican tried to claim that the United States had engaged in numerous pre-emptive wars, and then used 1812, and Dubya-Dubya One and Two as examples. When challenged, he simply redefined "pre-emptive" to suit his purposes. I have little regard for his references to history as he obviously knows so damned little about it.

You, on the other hand, ought to know better.


Setanta, you really had me -- until that last sentence. Very Happy

Left handed, perhaps (that's all I'm capable of), but I did mean it as "a good deal".

pre-emptive wars ? Well there's Mexico and of course Spain. Even there we weren't preempting anything - there was no threat. 1812?? Was he thinking of the ill-fated invasion of Canada? If so he should also include the Fenian invasion of Canada after the Civil War.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:52 pm
Kellerman, Houchard, Jourdan, Moreau and Dumouriez were not appointed by Napoleon, and yet they managed quite well with the levée en masse against the Duke of Brunswick's army of 80,000 professionals. This was only possible because St. Germain (Louis XVI's Minister of War) had gotten together with de Broglie and officers who had experience in the Seven Years War and during the American revolution, and, building upon the writings of pioneers such as Maurice de Saxe, created an entirely new set of tactical doctrines, and created, from the ground up, multi-layered staff organizations and a pyramidic order of battle and chain of command. There is more than ample evidence that the ordre mixte, extended skirmish lines and the division and corps structures and divisional and corps staff organizations were in place and functioning well long before Napoleon came on the scene at Toulon.

When Napoleon marched into Italy in 1797, he had the invaluable aid of officers such as Augereau and Massena--both former NCO's promoted to high rank by the représantants en mission before Napoleon came on the scene. Division and corps officers such as Lannes and Dessaix were invaluable to him, and were alreadly in service when he arrived. Lannes, in fact, reached the rank of Marshal, and was Napoleon's best and most reliable battlefield commander. His death at Wagram was one of the many disasterous blows of that battle from which the Army never recovered.

Napoleon certainly did promote many officers, but many of the greatest were already on the scene, or moving up through the officer corps when he arrived. The creation of divisions as organic but self-contained forces capable of independent action, and of the larger organization of corps in the same role; the creation of the ordre mixte (think: combined arms), the colonnes d'attent, colonnes de marche, and colonnes d'assaut; the creation of mirror staff organizations at the level of division, corps and army--all of these were created and in place when the Wars of the Revolution began, and before Napoleon appeared.

In fact, although orders by divisional and corps officers to regimental commanders for the type of mixed order formations would be used were common after 1795, Napoleon himself did not issue any such instruction until 1809, at the beginning of the Wagram campaign. There is a good deal of evidence that his instructions were ignored by officers accustomed to using the system as they felt best--the new French system was extremely flexible, which was a good deal of the intent.

The French system was so far ahead of its time, that when Yorke and Scharnhorst came to write the new Prussian military manuel in 1814, it is evident that they had not yet grasped the intent and the use of large skirmish formations, marching-, waiting- and assault-columns, and most crucial of all, the use of separate operational axes by organic units of a larger formation. Before Napoleon took command, division and corps commanders in French armies were already making local decisions on battlefields about whether they would operate on divergent or convergent axes relative to the units on their flanks.

The excellence of the French military system, from which all modern systems are descended, would have existed without Napoleon--and my personal view is that his ham-handed performance whenever he took direct command on the field of battle demonstrated that he could never have accomplished what he did without lieutenants like Lannes, and Soult and above all others, Davout.

I cannot imagine any man in history with greater organizational skills than he possessed. I can name dozens of officers who served in his army who had a better grasp of and ability to implement the French system than he himself possessed.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 08:59 pm
O'George, the Fenian invasion of Col. O'Neills little force is a passage of history which i've studied in detail, and which i delight in using to irritate Canajuns who go on and on about their nation's military record (which actually is quite good, if you can manage to forget about O'Neill at Ridgeway).
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 09:00 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
pre-emptive wars ? Well there's Mexico and of course Spain. Even there we weren't preempting anything - there was no threat. 1812?? Was he thinking of the ill-fated invasion of Canada? If so he should also include the Fenian invasion of Canada after the Civil War.

No, I was thinking of the British impressing our sailors and otherwise interfering with our commecial shipping. We attacked the British to stop them from doing us additional harm. Thus our attacks were pre-emptive.

Satanta objected to the definition I used for a pre-emptive attack or invasion. I think his objections are groundless.

The definition I used was: a pre-emptive invasion or attack is an invasion or attack intended to stop additional harm to one's nation before that additional harm occurs.

I noted that al Qaeda had declared war against both military and civilian Americans in 1992, 1996, 1998, and 2004. I also noted that all these declarations, except the one in 2004, were succeeded by several murders of American military and/or civilians.

I also noted that Bush&Adm had in September 2001, after 9/11, declared war against those who had committed terrorism against the US or had harbored or supported those who had. I provided evidence that after our invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001, al Qaeda established training camps in northeasten Iraq in December 2001.

I claimed our invasion of Iraq was an attempt to stop al Qaeda from committing additional harm to Americans before that harm was committed. Thus the US invasion of Iraq was pe-emptive just like US invasions we launched in WWI and WWII.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 11:27 pm
I fully accept the legitimacy of our intervention in Iraq. The action was duly authorized by the Congress and our government acted in accordance with our law. This is not an aggressive war for territory or control, so there is nothing whatever in International law that prevents our taking this action. Finally the strategic and historical reasoning behind the intervention is sound and there is good prospect of significant benefit to Iraq, the Gulf Region and the world as a direct result of our actions there.

There are those who imagine that the UN is a World Government, the Security Council some kind of World Tribunal, and perhaps even that Kofi Anan is President of the World. Their reasoning tells us we must have specific authorization from the UN Security Council to legitimize our action, and that, failing that, it violates some imagined element of International Law. This is, of course false - the UN is a voluntary organization with no powers other than those specifically given to it by sovereign nations. The five permanent members of the Security Council do not have veto power over the ability of sovereign nations to go to war.

Review of the press and many articles posted on this and other threads here indicates that one of the events contributing to PM Blair's "legal" difficulties with respect to the Iraqi Intervention was that the senior military officers in the UK demanded an "ironclad legal determination" that the war was legal and that they won't later be dragged before some international court for war crimes or crimes against humanity. This is what nations get for signing on to such absurdities as the International Criminal Court. Happily for us - at least for the present - our Army is accountable to the Government of the United States, and no one else.

It is noteworthy that very few voices are raised in condemnation of the threats, formally adopted by the government of China, to use military force if needed to prevent the continued independent governance of Taiwan by the people who live there. China, of course describes this as an internal matter, not the concern of other nations. Never mind the fact that Taiwan has not been under the unified control of China since 1918 or that its people have been self governing since 1949. Those too timid to tout 'International Law' to an authoritarian government in China (or an even worse and less rational one in North Korea) cannot expect their arguments to be taken seriously by serious people on serious matters.

I'm not sure just what historical arguments do for either side of this issue. Each of our rather vociferous European critics in the Iraqi matter has itself engaged in obviously aggressive war during the past century, some multiple times. Moreover these were accompanied by none of the self-protection and regional stability arguments that justify this one. The law of history is fairly clear - might does make right. (Another law is that everyone likes to see the top dog taken down a notch.) History is, among other things, a record of winners and losers. We are faced with a serious threat and have been repeatedly attacked by it. This threat does not emerge from a single nation, but rather from a politically (and socially) dysfunctional segment of the world that continues to spawn hostile acts and rhetoric among large numbers of people. Our effort is intended to alter the historical trajectory of that part of the world and stimulate a developmental process that will lead them away from this threatening posture. We intend to emerge a winner in this matter and we have every right to do so.

Strategists generally recognize that the Cold War was concluded with remarkable success - the right side won and a major conflagration was avoided - replaced by a long-term political struggle that was interrupted numerous times by localized armed conflict. In many ways we are faced with a similar struggle with an Islamic world that has awakened to the discovery that it has been rather badly screwed by the history of the past two centuries, and this has spawned the fanaticism and gangster regimes that infect it and threaten us. Our right to resist this threat is no less than our right to resist the previous one presented by Socialist tyranny.

I believe chasing the historical precedents leads nowhere.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2005 11:57 pm
Setanta,

Thanks for the fascinating exposition on the history of French Military doctrine. Certainly the French imprint is still present in the words, phrases, terminology and language of Armies and maneuver. I recognize the long-term investment of national treasure Louis XIV made in his armies, and although he extended the borders of his kingdom, it could not be said that he or France was then the military master of even Western Europe. I'm not aware that the French did much better in the European campaigns of the Seven Years War. Then the revolution, Napoleon and - sustained successes. Was it then a thing that came to a slow and, for the royals, late fruition?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 12:18 am
Setanta wrote:
Lash wrote:
He had France's psychotic Fronde and public executions off by a few years. Why act like you don't know what he's talking about?

<mutters....>


If that is directed at me, you are demonstrating an even greater ignorance than Ican. The word fronde means sling, and refers to a popular peasant weapon in the civil wars against Mazarin and Anne of Austria in the middle of the 17th century.


Just adding that there was a «Fronde of the Parlement» and a «Fronde of the Princes».
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 04:49 am
What is truly looney about the wars of the Fronde is what appears to have been the professional jealousy betsween Condé and Turenne. When one supported the royal side, the other would support the rebels. If one reversed his position, so would the other.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 05:34 am
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. US Releases Enemy Casualty Estimate of 100 The U...
US Releases Enemy Casualty Estimate of 100

The US military is conducting a major operation around Ubaidi, near Qaim on the border with Syria. The operation near the Euphrates was aimed at foreign jihadi bases.

The Marines are reportedly surprised by the degree of preparation the guerrillas are showing. They also seem to have specialized knowledge of how best to fight the Americans. (This datum suggests that someone in the Iraqi army or government let them know the US was coming. Everyone knows that the police, national guards and security apparatuses are extensively infiltrated by the guerrilla resistance).

The remarkable thing about the operation was the claim by the US to have killed 100 guerrillas, a new move in the propaganda wars. The US military had been deliberately avoiding announcements of numbers of guerrillas killed. But this strategy, which comes from the scandals about over-estimates of Viet Cong killed in the Vietnam War, had left the guerrillas free to generate headlines such as "300 killed in bombings during the past week." Nothing the US had done could compete with that sort of number, which I believe explains why we now get a number. The problem with giving out such numbers, however, is that sooner or later there will be another scandal.

For instance, are all 100 (a suspiciously round number) really guerrillas? Or are some innocent civilians who got caught in the crossfire? How would you tell, if all you have is a dead 16-year-old male body?

The other problem with this operation is that it may raise false hopes. Probably less than ten percent of the guerrillas are foreign fighters, so even if the US could weaken their Qaim-area bases substantially, it would not stop most of the attacks. And, the Syrian-Iraqi border is so long and rugged that the foreign infiltrators will just develop new routes. One remembers the conviction that if only Fallujah could be reduced, the bombings would stop. It didn't happen then, it won't happen now.
Tue, May 10, 2005 0:29
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 May, 2005 05:41 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Was it then a thing that came to a slow and, for the royals, late fruition?


One could simply refer to the inertia which grips all organizations, and especially an essentially conservative profession such as that of arms. However, in this case, the changes had been brewing for a long time. When i was writing yesterday--doing it off the top of my head, which is the case when i'm not challenged--i couldn't recall all of the names i needed. However--during the War of the Austrian Succession, France's "expert" in mountain warfare had planned an invasion of Piedmont (Kingdom of Sardinia) which involved nine separate columns, operating within mutual supporting distance, and crossing the mountains through nine separate passes. The plan involved each commander operating semi-independently and moving on an axis of operation which was suited to his circumstances. Each commander was to keep in touch with the columns on his flanks, and if he were opposed in the pass he was approaching, he was to screen that force and move north or south to join another column as circumstance dictated. The French crossed the mountains through three of the passes, isolating and neutralizing the defensive garrisons, and reached the plains below with an army larger than the Piedmontese and moving rapidly while the Italians were scurrying to get organized--they failed, and France knocked the Italians out of the war in what was a "lightening" campaign by the standard of the day, and which would have been acceptable even by Napoleon's standards.

Maurice de Saxe (Moritz von Saxe, the eldest and bastard son of Augustus the Strong of Saxony) proposed many of the ideas which eventually came to be at the core of the new doctrine. During that same war, and most notably at Fontenoy, he had units as small as regiments moving on independent operational axes, as well as deploying skirmishers in large numbers. Additionally, he informally provided for semi-independent commanders by employing the services of a Dane and a Swede as Lieutenant Generals (to the annoyance of French officers), which was outlined as a principle in his book Mes Reveries (My Dreams or My Musings), and can be seen as the genesis of the corps structure of an army. Prior to Gustavus Adolphus, all armies confronted one another in parallel lines--facing off in roughly equivalent formations, and then trying to get an advantage by attacking one flank or the other of the enemy. The Swedes were trained to manoeuvre regiments independently, so that at Breitenfels near Leipsic in 1631, after the foolish and unauthorized attack of the Imperial cavalry, Gustavus had his troops back in line and facing Tilly's line in well under an hour, before Tilly could respond--then when the Saxons unceremoniously decamped, heading back to Dresden as fast as their little legs would carry them, Tilly attempted to attack what he assumed would be the exposed flank of the Swedes, only to find that the Swedes had realigned, changed front, and were suddenly attacking his flank. What had happened to him was not understood outside of the counsels of Gustavus and Oxensteirn (sp?), and the concept was "lost" for many years.

But Frederick the Great introduced a modification which he called oblique order formation, which had a small portion of the army screening the enemy and "fixing" them in place, while the rest of the battalions would be "stacked up" and hurled at the enemy flank, or a supposed weak spot, in echelon (echelle=ladder, echelon=rung of a ladder). This was nowhere more evident than at Hohenfriedberg in 1745. He began moving his troops out at about 3:00 a.m. A strongly posted Austrian cavalry unit was encountered on a hill to the north shortly after the foot were in the road, so the position was screened, the attack battalions moved by the right, and slammed into the Saxons as the sun was rising. By 9:00 a.m., it was all over, the Austrians and Saxons in full flight and Frederick master of the field. This was only possible because of first rate staff work and units moving on separate operational axes. Nevertheless, Frederick still approached a battle in parallel order, but had simply made a significant adjustment.

Maurice de Saxe proposed that the army be divided into rationalized units for maneouvre on the battlefield to operate on separate axes, and to operate independently where expedient. He also called for different formations to be adopted to conform to realities of each battlefield situation. If it were possible to approach under cover, then the regiment should be hurled at the enemy in a dense column as soon as it came out of cover, relying upon momentum and the fear of the bayonet to break the enemy line (exactly what he did to the advance of the redcoats of the right of the Pragmatic Army at Fontenoy). Where there were little cover, or a large area to be secured by a small force, the troops should be placed in an extended line, with skirmishers out to slow an enemy attack and give their parent organization time to conform and change front.

During the American Revolution, brilliant battlefield commanders such as Benedict Arnold and Nathaniel Greene had used militia as what the French would come to call "a cloud" of skirmishers, largely because they were unreliable in a stand up fight in regular lines. At Hannah's Cowpens, Daniel Morgan went around the militia campfires the night before the battle and told them: "Just give me two good fires, boys, and then you can skedaddle." The following morning, as Tarleton approached, they did just that, and the English, thinking they had their enemy (of whom they were contemptuous) on the run, came forward hurriedly in a ragged line. At that point, Morgan's little band of Continentals appeared on the crest of the hill that formed the base of the American position, poured a well-directed volley into the English, and came down the hill with a shout and the bayonet did the rest of the work (the only war in which Americans frequently used the bayonet). Tarleton lost 80% of his force as killed, and wounded and captured or simply captured. Morgan rejoined Greene, and then Greene did essentially the same thing at Guilford Courthouse. When Greene's Continentals repulsed the attack of the brigade of Guards, Greene sent them down the hill in a bayonet charge which broke and scattered the line of the best infantry the English had on offer. Cornwallis only saved the situation by turning the guns on the Americans and his own troops, the latter hopelessly disorganized and fleeing before the former. Although no French troops were present, the lessons of battles such as these were not lost on the French.

When the Austrians attacked France at the beginning of the Wars of the Revolution, the French commanders did not always succeed in bringing off the desired marches and operations--so it was not apparent to the Austrians what was going to happen to them. When they saw huge formations of skirmishers, they assumed that the levée en masse were untrained, undisciplined troops who could not be relied upon take a regular formation. They were in for many nasty shocks when they would discover a line of intermitten battalions behind the skirmishers, with artillery sections in the intervals, and cavalry troops supporting the guns and protecting the infantry flanks. This was the ordre mixte--what we call combined arms.

No greater expression of the system in action can be found than at Auerstadt. There, Davout defeated the repeated attacks of a greatly superior Prussian force because each regimental commander was capable of independently responding to his local situation. Desparate to drive Davout from his high ground, the Prussians launched a massive parallel order infantry attack, and shortly thereafter, Blucher lead an "oblique order" cavalry "charge at speed." The French infantry, well supported by guns in the intervals of the battalions, made minced meat of the Prussian infantry, and immediately changed front to face and repel the cavalry attack. The Prussians had advanced in three columns before that battle--Davout dispatched the largest column of about 45,000, which had been joined later by about 10,000 reinforcements--Davout had 18,000 men in his corps, and had received 2,000 reinforcements. Meanwhile, down the road at Jena, Napoleon with the main army easily crushed the smaller Prussian column of about 35,000 men. The Prussians never knew what hit them.

The system had evolved over a period of about forty years, and it gelled and was given form and made into regulation by St. Germain and de Broglie. Napoleon was a student at Brienne and later the École Militaire in Paris when the new instructions to officers were being issued. There was just sufficient time for French officers (and most importantly) NCO's to learn to apply the new system before revolution and the levée en masse created the huge armies which would lead to the spectacular battles of the Wars of the Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars.
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Al-Qaeda in Kuwait

A Kuwaiti court sentenced 25 radical Muslim fundamentalists for plotting to go to Iraq to fight US troops, or to fund the effort. They were also accused of belonging to an illegal organization. Only as you read down the Reuters report does it gradually become apparent that the "forbidden organization" is . . . al-Qaeda! Diplomats in Kuwait City told Reuters that "sympathy for Saudi-born al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is on the rise among Kuwaiti youth."

This statement requires some sort of comment. Why? The US rescued little Kuwait from Saddam in 1991. If Kuwaitis don't like the US, who in the Arab world would? But even many of them are turning against us. From a fundamentalist Sunni Kuwaiti point of view, the US occupation of Iraq is the ultimate insult to Islam and Muslims, and has empowered the Shiites and their Iranian allies.

I repeat. If Kuwaitis are turning against the US and joining al-Qaeda and going to Iraq to fight US troops, then the "War on Terror" isn't going very we


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5. 8 US Servicemen Killed Over Weekend The NYT repor...
8 US Servicemen Killed Over Weekend

The NYT reports that guerrillas killed 8 US servicemen in separate incidents over the weekend. On Sunday, bombings in Samarra and Khalidiya killed 3 US servicemen. In Haditha on Saturday, guerrillas attacked and captured a hospital, killing 3 US Marines and a sailor when the US attempted to take it back.

What is going on in Sunni Iraqi cities, which might account for this violence (which is typically reported curtly and in a shadowy fashion by the US military and American press)? Al-Zaman has a report today (it gives joint credit to Reuters and AFP) that might shed some light on it. Al-Zaman says Ramadi and some of the towns around it were gripped by a civil rebellion on the part of virtually all the townspeople on Saturday and Sunday. It comes in response to the Friday prayers sermons in the city's mosques and appeals by the city's clergy, who called for a strike to protest against the US encirclement of the city and against what they called random arrests, which have resulted in the imprisonment of many young men of Ramadi. Everyday life has ground to a standstill. The streets are empty of passers-by, shops are shuttered, and bazaars are closed. Schools, universities and government offices are likewise closed. The US military has addressed the population with loudspeakers mounted on cars, calling on them to end the civil strike and to refuse to obey the armed militias in their midst.

The council of Sunni clergy in the city spread around a pamphlet that complained that ever since the US occupied the city, virtue and honor no longer had any value. The practices of the illegal Occupation were aimed at achieving its illegitimate aims, from daily killings to attacks and round-ups to the imprisonment of free persons in a forest of jails. The latest outrage was the encirclement of the city, cutting it off and isolating it from its environment through barricades, such that all have been grievously harmed. It called on townspeople to protest these practices with a two-day strike over the weekend

If the Al-Zaman report is at all accurate, it suggests that the counter-insurgency campaign in Ramadi to date is a political failure, whatever its tactical successes.

[Someone just told me that the US military thinks Zarqaw is in Ramadi, accounting for the encirclement and isolation of the city and the arrest campaign inside.]

The Washington Post says that US military commanders are putting more emphasis now on combating the foreign jihadis. Seems to me like they should begin with making friends of Ramadi and Mosul, instead.



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The Occupation, Year Two
"Mission Accomplished"

By ROBERT FISK
The Independent

Two years after "Mission Accomplished", whatever moral stature the United States could claim at the end of its invasion of Iraq has long ago been squandered in the torture and abuse and deaths at Abu Ghraib. That the symbol of Saddam Hussein's brutality should have been turned by his own enemies into the symbol of their own brutality is a singularly ironic epitaph for the whole Iraq adventure. We have all been contaminated by the cruelty of the interrogators and the guards and prison commanders.

But this is not only about Abu Ghraib. There are clear and proven connections now between the abuses at Abu Ghraib and the cruelty at the Americans' Bagram prison in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. Curiously, General Janis Karpinski, the only senior US officer facing charges over Abu Ghraib, admitted to me a year earlier when I visited the prison that she had been at Guantanamo Bay, but that at Abu Ghraib she was not permitted to attend interrogations - which seems very odd.

A vast quantity of evidence has now been built up on the system which the Americans have created for mistreating and torturing prisoners. I have interviewed a Palestinian who gave me compelling evidence of anal rape with wooden poles at Bagram - by Americans, not by Afghans.

Many of the stories now coming out of Guantanamo - the sexual humiliation of Muslim prisoners, their shackling to seats in which they defecate and urinate, the use of pornography to make Muslim prisoners feel impure, the female interrogators who wear little clothing (or, in one case, pretended to smear menstrual blood on a prisoner's face) - are increasingly proved true. Iraqis whom I have questioned at great length over many hours, speak with candour of terrifying beatings from military and civilian interrogators, not just in Abu Ghraib but in US bases elsewhere in Iraq.

At the American camp outside Fallujah, prisoners are beaten with full plastic water bottles which break, cutting the skin. At Abu Ghraib, prison dogs have been used to frighten and to bite prisoners.

How did this culture of filth start in America's "war on terror"? The institutionalised injustice which we have witnessed across the world, the vile American "renditions" in which prisoners are freighted to countries where they can be roasted, electrified or, in Uzbekistan, cooked alive in fat? As Bob Herbert wrote in The New York Times, what seemed mind-boggling when the first pictures emerged from Abu Ghraib is now routine, typical of the abuse that has "permeated the Bush administration's operations".

Amnesty, in a chilling 200-page document in October, traced the permeation of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memos into the prisoner interrogation system and the weasel-worded authorisation of torture. In August 2002, for example, only a few months after Bush spoke under the "Mission Accomplished" banner, a Pentagon report stated that "in order to respect the President's inherent constitutional authority to manage a military campaign, [the US law prohibiting torture] must be construed as inapplicable to interrogations undertaken pursuant to his Commander- in-Chief authority." What does that mean other than permission from Bush to torture?

A 2004 Pentagon report uses words designed to allow interrogators to use cruelty without fear of court actions: "Even if the defendant knows that severe pain will result from his actions, if causing such harm is not his objective, he lacks the requisite specific intent [to be guilty of torture] even though the defendant did not act in good faith."

The man who directly institutionalised cruel sessions of interrogation in Abu Ghraib was Major-General Geoffrey Miller, the Guantanamo commander who flew to Abu Ghraib to "Gitmo-ize the confinement operation" there. There followed the increased use of painful shackling and the frequent forcible stripping of prisoners. Maj-Gen Miller's report following his visit in 2003 spoke of the need for a detention guard force at Abu Ghraib that "sets the conditions for the successful interrogation and exploitation of the internees/detainees". According to Gen Karpinski, Maj-Gen Miller said the prisoners "are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe they're more than a dog, then you've lost control of them".

The trail of prisons that now lies across Iraq is a shameful symbol not only of our cruelty but of our failure to create the circumstances in which a new Iraq might take shape. You may hold elections and create a government, but when this military sickness is allowed to spread, the whole purpose of democracy is overturned. The "new" Iraq will learn from these interrogation centres how they should treat prisoners and, inevitably, the "new" Iraqis will take over Abu Ghraib and return it to the status it had under Saddam and the whole purpose of the invasion (or at least the official version) will be lost.

With an insurgency growing ever more vicious and uncontrollable, the emptiness of Mr Bush's silly boast is plain. The real mission, it seems, was to institutionalise the cruelty of Western armies, staining us forever with the depravity of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and Bagram - not to mention the secret prisons which even the Red Cross cannot visit and wherein who knows what vileness is conducted. What, I wonder, is our next "mission"?

Robert Fisk is a reporter for The Independent and author of Pity the Nation. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch's collection, The Politics of Anti-Semitism. Fisk's new book, The Conquest of the Middle East, will be released this fall.


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