House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer is at AIPAC

Their idea of a two state solution is to establish bantustans in which to contain the Palestinian people similar to those of South African Apartheid.

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Nuh-uh.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.

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Oppression is atrocious.

Not when Israel's very existence is defined as oppression.

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Peace is not impossible.

It is when you refuse to accept Israel's existence.

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Unfortunately, the Zionists and the other extremists are choosing violence which will eventually lead to peace.

Indeed. Making the Palestinians settle down is simply a matter of bombing them hard enough.

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Their idea of a two state solution is to establish bantustans in which to contain the Palestinian people similar to those of South African Apartheid.

Wrong. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a two state solution based on 1967 borders and with no bantustans.

contiguous Palestinian state impossible.

Your against an armed electorate?

See my response way back here.

Yes when Israel's very existence is oppressive.

More precisely, peace is impossible when you insist on existing as an oppressive state.

No, you are confused. That is not peace.

Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Incorrect.

That is not peace. Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

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contiguous Palestinian state impossible.

The fact that the Palestinians would be armed makes it impossible.

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See my response way back here.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.

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Yes when Israel's very existence is oppressive.

No. When you define Israel's very existence as oppression, then oppression is wonderful.

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More precisely, peace is impossible when you insist on existing as an oppressive state.

Not impossible. Peace is simply a matter of killing enough Palestinians that the rest of them settle down.

It's good enough. Brutally smashing the Palestinians is quite acceptable when the only alternative on offer is the destruction of Israel.

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Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Israel is not going anywhere, so the answer is to keep smashing the Palestinians with heavy bombs.

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Incorrect.

Denying that Israel made these offers is shameful. Do you deny the Holocaust too?

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That is not peace. Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Wrong. Israel has always been willing to withdraw settlements from land that they hand over to other people. They did so both in the Sinai Peninsula and in the Gaza Strip.

The only reason why Israel will not be withdrawing settlements in the West Bank is because the end of land for peace means not giving up any more land.

That's a pretext that some Zionists use to deny the Palestinians a viable state.

See my response, again.

Oppression is never wonderful.

That's not peace,

and now you're contradicting yourself. You're still confused.

No. The answer is to end Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.

Nope, and nope.

They merely transferred the settlers to the West Bank settlements and continued to expand those settlements. That's settler shuffle not withdrawal.

There was never an intention to withdraw the settlements in the West Bank, so the Zionists never earnestly intended land for peace. It was all a ruse to buy time to create "facts on the ground."