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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer is at AIPAC

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2019 02:55 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Their idea of a two state solution is to establish bantustans in which to contain the Palestinian people similar to those of South African Apartheid.

Wrong. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a two state solution based on 1967 borders and with no bantustans.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2019 04:39 pm
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:38 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Nuh-uh.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.

See my response way back here.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:49 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Oppression is atrocious.

Not when Israel's very existence is defined as oppression.

Yes when Israel's very existence is oppressive.


oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Peace is not impossible.

It is when you refuse to accept Israel's existence.

More precisely, peace is impossible when you insist on existing as an oppressive state.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Unfortunately, the Zionists and the other extremists are choosing violence which will eventually lead to peace.

Indeed. Making the Palestinians settle down is simply a matter of bombing them hard enough.

No, you are confused. That is not peace. Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:52 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Their idea of a two state solution is to establish bantustans in which to contain the Palestinian people similar to those of South African Apartheid.

Wrong. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a two state solution based on 1967 borders and with no bantustans.

Incorrect. The Zionists have built settlements, that they have never had the intention of abandoning, that make a contiguous Palestinian state impossible.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:55 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
contiguous Palestinian state impossible.

The fact that the Palestinians would be armed makes it impossible.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 11:08 am
@coldjoint,
Your against an armed electorate? Watch out Ollie, he is aftet your guns.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 11:10 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Your against an armed electorate?

No, I am against armed terrorists. Palestinians are terrorists.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 05:52 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
See my response way back here.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 05:54 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Yes when Israel's very existence is oppressive.

No. When you define Israel's very existence as oppression, then oppression is wonderful.


InfraBlue wrote:
More precisely, peace is impossible when you insist on existing as an oppressive state.

Not impossible. Peace is simply a matter of killing enough Palestinians that the rest of them settle down.


InfraBlue wrote:
No, you are confused. That is not peace.

It's good enough. Brutally smashing the Palestinians is quite acceptable when the only alternative on offer is the destruction of Israel.


InfraBlue wrote:
Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Israel is not going anywhere, so the answer is to keep smashing the Palestinians with heavy bombs.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 05:55 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Incorrect.

Denying that Israel made these offers is shameful. Do you deny the Holocaust too?


InfraBlue wrote:
That is not peace. Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Wrong. Israel has always been willing to withdraw settlements from land that they hand over to other people. They did so both in the Sinai Peninsula and in the Gaza Strip.

The only reason why Israel will not be withdrawing settlements in the West Bank is because the end of land for peace means not giving up any more land.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 08:31 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
contiguous Palestinian state impossible.

The fact that the Palestinians would be armed makes it impossible.

That's a pretext that some Zionists use to deny the Palestinians a viable state.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 08:32 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
See my response way back here.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.

See my response, again.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 08:46 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Yes when Israel's very existence is oppressive.

No. When you define Israel's very existence as oppression, then oppression is wonderful.


Oppression is never wonderful.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
More precisely, peace is impossible when you insist on existing as an oppressive state.

Not impossible. Peace is simply a matter of killing enough Palestinians that the rest of them settle down.

It's good enough. Brutally smashing the Palestinians is quite acceptable when the only alternative on offer is the destruction of Israel.


That's not peace, and now you're contradicting yourself. You're still confused.


oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Israel is not going anywhere, so the answer is to keep smashing the Palestinians with heavy bombs.


No. The answer is to end Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 09:02 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Incorrect.

Denying that Israel made these offers is shameful. Do you deny the Holocaust too?

Nope, and nope.


oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
That is not peace. Peace will be attained with the elimination of Israel's oppressive existence. The Zionists are choosing to do this in a violent manner.

Wrong. Israel has always been willing to withdraw settlements from land that they hand over to other people. They did so both in the Sinai Peninsula and in the Gaza Strip.


They merely transferred the settlers to the West Bank settlements and continued to expand those settlements. That's settler shuffle not withdrawal.


oralloy wrote:
The only reason why Israel will not be withdrawing settlements in the West Bank is because the end of land for peace means not giving up any more land.


There was never an intention to withdraw the settlements in the West Bank, so the Zionists never earnestly intended land for peace. It was all a ruse to buy time to create "facts on the ground."
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:40 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
That's a pretext that some Zionists use to deny the Palestinians a viable state.

No one is denying the Palestinians a viable state. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians just that.

But the Palestinians have to agree to peace in exchange for getting that viable state. And because Palestinians are evil, they refuse to ever agree to peace.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:41 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
See my response, again.

Wrong. Accusations of Israeli atrocities are entirely false.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Oppression is never wonderful.

The way you define oppression, oppression is wonderful.


InfraBlue wrote:
That's not peace,

It's good enough. When you kill enough Palestinians, the rest of them settle down. It's a good outcome.


InfraBlue wrote:
and now you're contradicting yourself. You're still confused.

No contradiction and no confusion. Brutally smashing the Palestinians with heavy bombs does indeed make them settle down.


InfraBlue wrote:
No. The answer is to end Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.

The answer is to smash the Palestinians with heavy bombs until they settle down.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:43 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Nope, and nope.

Your denial of Israel's past peace offers is indeed shameful.

I don't believe your claim that you are not a Holocaust denier. Anyone who would deny Israel's history as breathtakingly blatantly as you deny Israel's history is likely to also be a Holocaust denier.


InfraBlue wrote:
They merely transferred the settlers to the West Bank settlements and continued to expand those settlements. That's settler shuffle not withdrawal.

Wrong. Israel withdrew from both the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula.

Your denial of Israel's history is truly horrific.


InfraBlue wrote:
There was never an intention to withdraw the settlements in the West Bank, so the Zionists never earnestly intended land for peace. It was all a ruse to buy time to create "facts on the ground."

Wrong. Israel repeatedly offered to withdraw from the West Bank. The Palestinians refused the offer because they would have to agree to peace in exchange for getting a viable state.

Palestinians are evil so they refuse to make peace even when they would get a viable state in return for that peace.
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