What is "God" to you?

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Why can't you see that you will burn in hell for all eternity just for feeling that way? You and your children for four generations?

At least I'll be there to keep you company.

I think it extremely unlikely that any gods exist.

I think it extremely likely that given hypothetically that gods did NOT exist, we would make them up anyway.

Superior beings that are mortal and "normal" in a biological sense are much more likely, even probable, but the odds are heavily against ever meeting them.

I think all people should be taught to at least understand the atheist view as well as a good grounding in the religions of the world during their schooling.

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Eorl wrote:

Why can't you see that you will burn in hell for all eternity just for feeling that way?

I think hell will be just peachy. When Ghengis Khan rocked up there he lead a rebellion that ousted all the demons. Meanwhile Socrates, Einstein and Da Vinci have terraformed the place using the perpetual fires as a fantastic energy source.

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You and your children for four generations?

My gametes, my precious precious gametes.

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At least I'll be there to keep you company.

Meet you behind sysiphus' hill?

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I think it extremely unlikely that any gods exist. I think it extremely likely that given hypothetically that gods did NOT exist, we would make them up anyway.

I'd go logarithmically beyond "extremely" but yeah same here.

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Superior beings that are mortal and "normal" in a biological sense are much more likely, even probable, but the odds are heavily against ever meeting them.

Yeah, I believe in Vorlons too (babylon 5). Given the age and size of the universe it seems likely there will be sentient advanced life out there somewhere.

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I think all people should be taught to at least understand the atheist view as well as a good grounding in the religions of the world during their schooling.

Yeah, I've thought about that as well. I was thinking that in order to obtain the religious tax benefits a priest has to undergo a compulsary religious tolerance course. What do you think?

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I'm all for it. I think preists do study all religions and atheism though. They'd have to wouldn't they? Although I'm sure they must be taught from a very distorted perspective.

Generally, I've had a lot more success getting understanding from preists than I have from the more militant members of their flock!

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There is an oriental I feel rings most true, "He who knows cannot say, he who says, cannot know"

However, this doesn't stop people like me, who feel an awareness of god from making an abstract attept at communicating a general idea to others.

Here are two attempts by me:
1) Everything within itself.
2)As God is love, God is thought

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Interesting question.
God is just a word to me. It means absolutely nothing in all honesty. I don't even have a feeling to relate it to. Kinda how we created the words Fo snizzle. We created the word God. Still has no real context for me. 18 years without a Godly thought tends to push that concept out the door.
But I do know when I was little I believed and viewed God like Santa Claus and maybe kind of like Merlin as well. Then my father passed away when I was 11 and out went Merlin,God and the baby with the bath water.

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My Lord and Savoir; Jesus Christ, the one from the King James Version Bible.

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I think god loves fungi and cows because, as I understand it, he spends much of his time inside certain mushrooms growing in cow dung.

Psilobybe cubensis

And god sayeth unto them, "Eat me!" and they did.

One "mushroom head" on a website tries to make the case that the "manna from heaven" was a psychotropic mushroom; however, others think that manna was the collective dried sugar-rich excretions of planthopper insects.

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God is- as far as humans can understand-

that than which nothing greater can exist
perfect in every sense:

omnipotent- the all powerful
omniscient- the all knowing
omnibenevolent- the all loving

the most merciful
the most beneficient
master of the day of judgement

the creator
the preserver
the destroyer

he is transcendent- outside time and space.

he is the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover

the creator of everything

the eternal

the uncreated.

he is one.

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He's a size 18?

Huh

I had imagined he'd be bigger...

Deities always seem smaller when you meet them in real life.

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omnipotent- the all powerful
omniscient- the all knowing
omnibenevolent- the all loving

I guess when he lets babies drown in Tsunamis, he's doing because he wants a cuddle?

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I've always said that I'm not smart enough to be an atheist, and not dumb enough to be a christian.

Works for me.

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LionTamerX, you were born an atheist, have you gone downhill since then ? Wink

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Eorl wrote:

omnipotent- the all powerful
omniscient- the all knowing
omnibenevolent- the all loving

I guess when he lets babies drown in Tsunamis, he's doing because he wants a cuddle?

a) death is not the end
b) this life is a dream

a poor man who has seen misery all his life on earth will forget any pain within one moment of entering heaven

c)you do not know why god does what he does
d)God cannot be blamed for natural evil

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raheel you have entirely ignored the point.

If he is all knowing then he knows about the tsunami.

If he is all powerful then he could easily have prevented hundreds of thousands of premature deaths on a single day.

Are you suggesting that he WILL be all loving when I get to heaven (after I wake from this "dream" ) and therefore he can treat me as badly as he likes NOW ?

Don't bother, you've already given the standard cop-out answer...

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"you do not know why god does what he does "

...even though YOU claim to know exactly what he is and how he works and why he does things.

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raheel wrote:

a poor man who has seen misery all his life on earth will forget any pain within one moment of entering heaven

If you forget pain, can you know pleasure?

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True atheists are as hopelessly locked in to literalism as fundamentalists are, that is, each takes religious metaphors literally, and while one says a concept is true the other merely denies it, thus missing the point totally.

So when someone mentions heaven, he means it literally as pie in the sky after death and the other denies it, but both arguments have a significance only to the inexperienced mind locked in temporal thought. Spirituality must take a leap past polarized, time-based thought to make any sense at all, which, I admit, is an oxymoron because mythical language like poetry or music doesn't make logical sense at all. The truth is in the listening and experiencing.

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Coluber, you are so right. The atheists and the evangelicals are arguing from two entirely different premises, in effect are speaking two different languages. I'll go you one step further and say that it is impossible to know the truth by verbalizing and articulating your thoughts and by trying to "prove" or "disprove" something the way one would approach a debating contest. When it comes to the spiritual experience, "rational" thought is irrlevant. At best, we can try to communicate to one another our experience, but it will be a shallow verbal rendering of the actuality.

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Rosborne - I see my god in your avatar. I've found my god in the woods of (north eastern) New Hampshire in the past, and at present I find my god in the Mendip Hills of Somerset behind my house. I can't define or describe my god and I would never try to convince or convert an unbeliever. It can't be done. But I possess real "peace that passes all understanding" from my experiences, and I know that that is real.

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Eorl wrote:

LionTamerX, you were born an atheist, have you gone downhill since then ?

I have most certainly gone downhill since birth. Twisted Evil

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aidan wrote:

Rosborne - I see my god in your avatar. I've found my god in the woods of (north eastern) New Hampshire in the past, and at present I find my god in the Mendip Hills of Somerset behind my house. I can't define or describe my god and I would never try to convince or convert an unbeliever. It can't be done. But I possess real "peace that passes all understanding" from my experiences, and I know that that is real.

What? Psilocybe grows in New Hampshire? I'll have to check out your avatar with a magnifying glass, Rosborne.

By the way, I'm just joshin' you, aidan. I understand what you're saying.

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