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WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS??

 
 
NoNe
 
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Reply Thu 12 May, 2005 09:49 pm
I never demand for a public to agree with me. If somebody's worshipping the Toilet, It is his business. I am OK with any sorts of stupid religions. I am a Moslem, and I think that I could've been nobody else.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 12 May, 2005 09:56 pm
Welcome to A2K NoNe.
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booman2
 
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Reply Thu 12 May, 2005 10:10 pm
NoNe,
....When say "any stupid religion", do you mean all religions, or are there exceptions.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 12:43 am
Re: Convert to catholocism
mikarian wrote:
Help.
I want to join a church. my husband was raised catholic and I want our son to know a religion. I was raised presbyterian/methodist/religious science/ unitarian/ u name it. I believe in god, but not that he would be so naive to put just one son on this earth. My sister converts to judaism in 2 weeks. I am so confused what direction to give my child, as I want him to have more religious direction that I did/ did not have. where do I go? I cannot be the spiritual guide for my son beside my own belief that there is a benevolent God, who is much smarter than us. Life is so much more complicated than it was when I was growing up, I think he needs a faith, but I don't know where to begin. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Karin


Here's a perfect example of someone about to force their religion onto others, in this case ...their own child.

Why not teach your son about all religions, and let him make up his own mind as to which, if any, make sense to him!
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 06:22 am
Why not teach your son to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That should be enough religion for anyone.
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Anonymous
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 08:12 am
I'm glad that religion was not forced on me by my parents in any way. This gave me the opportunity to study all of the religions and choose one for myself. This made my faith in Chirstianity grow even more. I bet a lot of children who are forced to go to church are deterred since they see it as something that they have to do every Sunday.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 08:33 am
Ecumenicalism, the idea that there is good in all religions, is in itself a religion.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 09:22 am
What is the need for organized religion? Is it not enough for one to believe in a supreme being and offer prayers to God directly. Do we need all the pomp and circumstance to have our prayers heard? And do they go unheeded if we join the wrong club?

What other than dissension and division does organized religion add?
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 13 May, 2005 09:31 am
au1929 wrote:
What other than dissension and division does organized religion add?
The clergy have hoodwinked and dominated mankind for centuries. They have been behind every war and abomination known to history. That being said, we still have a responsibility toward God. Now how in the world can I say that?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 05:30 pm
Hey I'm anti-religion but I can imagine what it would be like if everyone had their own conversations with their own gods. The price we pay for being social beings is society. We're not born with an innate sense of the rules so institutions make up the rules and enforce them. Org religion is one of those, and it's been around for a damn long time.

Maybe one day we'll able to cast it aside but I won't live to see it.
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booman2
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2005 05:34 pm
God yes... religion no
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 02:06 pm
jews dont try to force their religion on others.

you are born a jew or you never become a jew.

no two ways about it.


see there are exeptions to everything.

hindus also have the same principle.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 02:24 pm
NoNe wrote:
If somebody's worshipping the Toilet, It is his business. I am OK with any sorts of .......... religions.



i agree with you.

i have no problem with any religion, including toilet worshipping religions, as long as its not forced upon me - neither by sword nor by tact.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 03:38 pm
I thought people did convert to Judaism.....
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 03:44 pm
hingehead
Yes, they do however Jews do not proselytize. It has to be of ones own volition.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:11 pm
brahmin wrote:

you are born a jew or you never become a jew.

no two ways about it.


Is what confused - thanks for the clarification
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:25 pm
au1929 wrote:
hingehead
Yes, they do however Jews do not proselytize. It has to be of ones own volition.



even if its from someone's own volition, he/she most likely wont be acceptable as a jew.



if your mother isnt jewish (the true definition of a person being jewish) then there's no way you can change that.


thats why even when a jewish guy marries a non jew, the child will have to inducted into judaism with special ceremonies - and orthodox jews wont even accept that.

on the other hand, if someone's mother is jew, then he/she can seek citizenship in israel (ie. he/she is considered a jew), regardless of his/her dad's religion and what surname he/she has.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:36 pm
I guess 'Jew' is an ethnic calling and 'Judaism' is a religious one - except orthodox practicers of Judaism see them as inseparable.

It's funny about the mother link - did the ancient hebrews know about genetics?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:38 pm
brahmin

That is not true one can convert to Judaism. It is difficult and just saying you want to convert as in other religions will not suffice.
As for who is or is not a Jew. Anyone born to a Jewish mother is by birth considered to be a Jew. The religion passes through the mother who or what the father is- is irrelevant
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brahmin
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2005 04:45 pm
au1929 wrote:
brahmin

That is not true one can convert to Judaism. It is difficult and just saying you want to convert as in other religions will not suffice.
As for who is or is not a Jew. Anyone born to a Jewish mother is by birth considered to be a Jew. The religion passes through the mother who or what the father is- is irrelevant


lmao thats precisely what i said - that one cant convert to judaism.

"jews dont try to force their religion on others.

you are born a jew or you never become a jew.

no two ways about it.


see there are exeptions to everything.

hindus also have the same principle."







i have personally known cases where only the dad was jewish and the mom a goy/gentile (pls let me know the difference if you know) - and the son had to be inducted into judiasm by special ritual/ceremony - and even then its doubtful if the state of israel will recognise him as a true jew - orthodox jews wont for sure.


and i got the "mother has to be jew" part spot on too.

PS : is that because the hebrews (as different from the jews - no moses yet) had to devise a way that would disqualify ishmael (notice not ismael) and retain only itzhak (not issac) as the true next generation of hebrews after abraham? hagar was a hittie, speaking a language which was of inflective and of the indo aryan family - as different form the hebrews like abraham/ibrahim and sarai, who were semetic, with a abjad language - hebrew. correct me pls.
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