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WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS??

 
 
real life
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:18 pm
booman2 wrote:
Hmmm........Well, it's been twelve(12) days since I asked realife that question.


Hey Boo

I am going to ask you two questions.... and answer one of them for you the way you would answer it ( I think).

This is a spectacular feat, so watch carefully.

Boo, do you believe that the Bible gives accurate, faithful and trustworthy history without error?

To which, I think, you would answer (here's where I step way out on a limb) "No, of course, I don't believe that the Bible gives accurate, faithful and trustworthy history without error."

So my second question is: Then why are you concerned about the outcome of a story which you believe did not happen?

Really, the only folks I've ever known to be concerned by some of the more violent passages in the Bible are folks who do believe that they really occurred.

If you don't think it even happened , what are you getting so worked up over?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:32 pm
real life wrote:
booman2 wrote:
Hmmm........Well, it's been twelve(12) days since I asked realife that question.


Hey Boo

I am going to ask you two questions.... and answer one of them for you the way you would answer it ( I think).

This is a spectacular feat, so watch carefully.

Boo, do you believe that the Bible gives accurate, faithful and trustworthy history without error?

To which, I think, you would answer (here's where I step way out on a limb) "No, of course, I don't believe that the Bible gives accurate, faithful and trustworthy history without error."

So my second question is: Then why are you concerned about the outcome of a story which you believe did not happen?

Really, the only folks I've ever known to be concerned by some of the more violent passages in the Bible are folks who do believe that they really occurred.

If you don't think it even happened , what are you getting so worked up over?
HEHEHE!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:34 pm
real life wrote:
So my second question is: Then why are you concerned about the outcome of a story which you believe did not happen?

Really, the only folks I've ever known to be concerned by some of the more violent passages in the Bible are folks who do believe that they really occurred.

If you don't think it even happened , what are you getting so worked up over?


This is so elementary, an intelligent person shouldn't have to ask the question. Because the adolescent hatefulness and violence of the god of the bible is exemplary of those things which the adherents thereof admire. When a religion glorifies such things, whether or not they occurred, it shows only too clearly just how sick the belief set is.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2005 02:56 pm
Setanta wrote:
real life wrote:
So my second question is: Then why are you concerned about the outcome of a story which you believe did not happen?

Really, the only folks I've ever known to be concerned by some of the more violent passages in the Bible are folks who do believe that they really occurred.

If you don't think it even happened , what are you getting so worked up over?


This is so elementary, an intelligent person shouldn't have to ask the question. Because the adolescent hatefulness and violence of the god of the bible is exemplary of those things which the adherents thereof admire. When a religion glorifies such things, whether or not they occurred, it shows only too clearly just how sick the belief set is.
Maybe Frank will choose the question I offered to answer for boo. If, in fact, I found the correct question. This could prove interesting.
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gospelmancan2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 09:49 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
If self-sacrifice and humility means to give up your common sense, no thank you! You're a good example of what's wrong with this world.

Does this mean that you think that self sacrifice and humility are wrong or that you think they are senseless?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:00 am
In order to accept your god, one must accept self-sacrifice and humility, then it's a sacrifice not worth a pence. The insurgence in Iraq "accept self-sacrifice and humility" too! They have left common sense and logic behind to accept their 'savior.' They believe they are martyrs for their god. You still don't get the picture - I presume.
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gospelmancan2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:04 am
Setanta wrote:


This is so elementary, an intelligent person shouldn't have to ask the question. Because the adolescent hatefulness and violence of the god of the bible is exemplary of those things which the adherents thereof admire. When a religion glorifies such things, whether or not they occurred, it shows only too clearly just how sick the belief set is.

Your lack of understanding of Christianity is only exceeded by your hostility towards it. Hardly an indicator of intelligent discourse
Living proof of the old line. "better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:12 am
gospel, The fact of the matter is, you call yourself a christian, but seem to ignore the atrocities committed by so-called christians. What makes you think you are any better or worse? Because "you" say so? Give us a break!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:15 am
gospelmancan2 wrote:
Your lack of understanding of Christianity is only exceeded by your hostility towards it. Hardly an indicator of intelligent discourse
Living proof of the old line. "better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt"


I have a very clear understanding of christianity, its antecedants, its historical development, and its numerous crimes. I have a very hostile attitude toward all organized religion, and with good reason. You call it intelligent discourse to suggest that i am an idiot? That is typical, however, of the latent hatred to be found just beneath the thin skin all religiously fanatical people.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:22 am
Hey, Set, I like your quote, " That is typical, however, of the latent hatred to be found just beneath the thin skin all religiously fanatical people."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:25 am
I have noted time and again that in these fora, as soon as your criticism of someone's position begins to strike home, they first accuse you of hatred, anger--of some form of hositility--which is in fact a projection of their own reaction. This is usually followed by insults and sneers. In the case of the good loving christian, GM, it took him exactly one sentence to get down to the insult.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:27 am
Guys! Don't dismiss the well thought out conclusions of the non believer as mere excuses for sin. Justification for sin is equally prevalent among believers. Why do you suppose they prod you for answers?

Put some starch in your spine and answer their objections. Or go preach to the choir.
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gospelmancan2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:29 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
In order to accept your god, one must accept self-sacrifice and humility, then it's a sacrifice not worth a pence. The insurgence in Iraq "accept self-sacrifice and humility" too! They have left common sense and logic behind to accept their 'savior.' They believe they are martyrs for their god. You still don't get the picture - I presume.

You mean I don't get your picture. While I will be the first to admit that much suffering has been brought forth in the name of God; it is man's flawed understanding that is usually at the root of the suffering.
The Bible and the Koran are not the same. They do not advocate the same things nor do they even point to the same God. The Koran and Islam points to the worship of the Arabic moon god (hence the crescent) and not the God seen as the creator and Father of all as in the Bible. Mohammed did not advocate the abolition of the pantheon of Arabic gods but to worship only one of those gods as supreme. Both Christianity and Islam are monotheistic but that is where the similarity ends.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:29 am
Quote, "Hardly an indicator of intelligent discourse
Living proof of the old line. "better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt""

And he calls himself a "christian." ROFLMAO
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:45 am
gospelmancan2 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
In order to accept your god, one must accept self-sacrifice and humility, then it's a sacrifice not worth a pence. The insurgence in Iraq "accept self-sacrifice and humility" too! They have left common sense and logic behind to accept their 'savior.' They believe they are martyrs for their god. You still don't get the picture - I presume.

You mean I don't get your picture. While I will be the first to admit that much suffering has been brought forth in the name of God; it is man's flawed understanding that is usually at the root of the suffering.
The Bible and the Koran are not the same. They do not advocate the same things nor do they even point to the same God. The Koran and Islam points to the worship of the Arabic moon god (hence the crescent) and not the God seen as the creator and Father of all as in the Bible. Mohammed did not advocate the abolition of the pantheon of Arabic gods but to worship only one of those gods as supreme. Both Christianity and Islam are monotheistic but that is where the similarity ends.
Gos; Here is where you miss the point. Nominal christianity has proved to be no different than any other religion. The question you should be answering is why the bible should be regarded as the Word of God in spite of its misapplication.
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gospelmancan2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 10:55 am
Setanta wrote:
I have noted time and again that in these fora, as soon as your criticism of someone's position begins to strike home, they first accuse you of hatred, anger--of some form of hositility--which is in fact a projection of their own reaction. This is usually followed by insults and sneers. In the case of the good loving christian, GM, it took him exactly one sentence to get down to the insult.

Oh sorry, did I use the same language and tone you usually do ?
(Was that just a stone going through your glass house?)
Your criticism of Christian opinion is so simplistic and devoid of rationality that I have to take a few seconds to stop laughing so I can reply. Hardly striking home.
Between you and CI, I don't know who provides me with the most entertainment.
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shiyacic aleksandar
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 11:06 am
There is the third one...Franky. :wink:
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 11:11 am
Setanta wrote:
real life wrote:
So my second question is: Then why are you concerned about the outcome of a story which you believe did not happen?

Really, the only folks I've ever known to be concerned by some of the more violent passages in the Bible are folks who do believe that they really occurred.

If you don't think it even happened , what are you getting so worked up over?


This is so elementary, an intelligent person shouldn't have to ask the question. Because the adolescent hatefulness and violence of the god of the bible is exemplary of those things which the adherents thereof admire. When a religion glorifies such things, whether or not they occurred, it shows only too clearly just how sick the belief set is.


Is it all wars that you have a problem with, or just the one described in this passage of the Old Testament that Boo refers to?

Are you prepared to argue that there is never any circumstance under which nations should take up arms (i.e. no self defense, i.e. no rationale for abolition of tyranny, etc) ?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 11:19 am
gospelmancan2 wrote:
Oh sorry, did I use the same language and tone you usually do ?


Not at all--you used the language an tone typical of the christian fanatic who professes to love all of mankind, while in fact hate lurks just beneath the surface.

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(Was that just a stone going through your glass house?)


I occupy no such glass house--you're the one trying to foist idiotic beliefs off on others, i am not trying to peddle any belief set--just pointing out how ludicrous is the one you attempt to peddle.

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Your criticism of Christian opinion is so simplistic and devoid of rationality that I have to take a few seconds to stop laughing so I can reply. Hardly striking home.


I haven't criticized opinion--i've criticized actions. I note that rather than defend your position, you have just resorted to snide and pathetic attempts to insult--more evidence of your devotion to rational discourse and christian love?

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Between you and CI, I don't know who provides me with the most entertainment.


I feel i can speak for C.I. when i say that nothing gives us greater please than the thought that we amuse you.

Come one, give us some more of that christian love.
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gospelmancan2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 11:22 am
neologist wrote:
Gos; Here is where you miss the point. Nominal christianity has proved to be no different than any other religion. The question you should be answering is why the bible should be regarded as the Word of God in spite of its misapplication.

Misapplication is not God's fault but man's fault. That is the point of Christianity anyway. Without God's help we will continue to screw it all up.
Nominal Christianity is not what the bible teaches and not what Christians should be doing. As for the Bible, failure to follow the instructons is the fault of the reader and not the originator.
We all make mistakes. I make whoppers (mistakes, not burgers) I made a couple earlier with Set in a previous post. I let my mouth take over and I regret it. (Sorry, Set) Much as it may seem weird, I think a lot of Set and CI. They are strong in what they believe and I admire that. We don't agree on much and I accept that. Just because we don't agree does not mean that I think less of them as people.
Any way, we all make mistakes and that's our fault, not God's.
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