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Go Socialism!

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 01:05 pm
Although you asked Letty:

the government in the UK has quite often by the Labour party, other countries got Socilists governments now - as well as in the past - without that anything happened only similar how you descibe it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 01:06 pm
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Letty

Just one last question: How can you have anything but a totalitarian form of gov't under Socialism? I think what they forgot to tell you is that while all the peasants are working like hell and giving to some lazy SOB who won't work or says he can't work, the Elitists have grabbed power and have done away with any form of opposition party and all other freedoms including the newspapers.


What are you, blind? You just described America!

Cycloptichorn
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 01:53 pm
Walter

In the UK they can't seem to get rid of the opposition party and every once in a while they rise up and throw the socialists out. There are two reasons I like Blair: 1. He has been our supporter all the way against Islamist Fascism and 2. He has not let the Socialists take over his party because he has witnessed the havoc they wreak when they nationalize the industry.

You say other countries have Socialism. Yep just like Castro in Cuba and China......now they have true Socialism. Chavez has launched his attack to become a totalitarian leader in Venezuela. These guys always say it's in the interests of the little people but all he does is keep the "little people" barefoot and pregnant while he steals the oil.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 02:13 pm
rayban1 wrote:
2. He has not let the Socialists take over his party because he has witnessed the havoc they wreak when they nationalize the industry.


In opposition to the Conservative Party, Labour has been the major democratic socialist party in Britain since the early 20th century.


Quote:
In 1900, the Labour Representation Committee was formed by a number of unions, the Independent Labour Party, the Fabian Society (founded 1884) and the Social Democratic Federation (founded in 1881 as a Marxist party), with the objective of promoting a separate parliamentary labour party. While these groups did not always agree on the details of policy and strategy, the LRC met with considerable success in the 1906 General Election, when twenty-nine of its fifty candidates were elected (after an electoral pact with the Liberal Party).

The Labour Party, as the LRC was known from this time, entered the wartime coalition government in 1915 and was reorganised in 1918, when a modern party organisation was established and a constitution drafted. The Labour Party replaced the Liberal Party as the main party of opposition to the Conservatives over the following decade.
Source





rayban1 wrote:
You say other countries have Socialism.


Cuba and China are communist countries.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 02:24 pm
Walter

I think you know that I meant........he has not allowed the radical socialists within the Labour party to take control and Nationalize the industry as the they did after WW11.

You say Cuba and China are Communist countries------please tell me what the real difference is.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 02:47 pm
rayban1 wrote:


You say Cuba and China are Communist countries------please tell me what the real difference is.


You started this thread with the headline "Go Socialism", isn't it?

Some with a more profund knowledge than I have written a lot about that - most available in the one or other form even on the internet, surely however in every public library.

From the Britannica:
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Socialsm, system of social organization in which property and the distribution of income are subject to social control rather than individual determination or market forces. [...]

source: "socialism" Encyclopædia Britannica. 2005. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service 22 Mar. 2005 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9109587>.

Quote:
Communism, system of political and economic organization in which property is owned by the state or community and all citizens share in the common wealth, more or less according to their need.[...]

source: "communism." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2005. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service
22 Mar. 2005 <http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9117284>.


A very easy way to find out, which parties e.g. are socialistic, is to look at the website of The Socialist International or find the Communst parties at the ComInterNet: Listing of World Communist & Workers Parties.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 02:49 pm
rayban1 wrote:
he has not allowed the radical socialists within the Labour party to take control and Nationalize the industry as the they did after WW11.


The Labour Party surely is a democratic organisation. Tony Blair is the leader, but not the ruler of the party.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:11 pm
What is the purpose of this thread, rayban? Or do you know?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:25 pm
OK I confess, Walter is an avowed Communist/Nazi (does anyone have a problem with this logic?) Well anyway I wear an ugly hat (Stetson) and large nose (DNA?) which immediately tells anyone I hate america., which, of course, is true.(which is why I live in New Mexico)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:29 pm
Large Nose?!?!?

Stay away from Walter!!

Cycloptichorn
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:31 pm
Walter

It seems to me that each of your official definitions merely use different words to arrive at the same result. There is no mention of freedom for the individual and neither of the definitions would allow for imagination to create and be innovative which IMO is the greatest strength of America. We are the "CAN DO" society. When Americans are confronted with a problem we tend to try to solve the problem ourselves immediately. Socialism stifles imagination and initiative and creates a mindset that says.......it's not my job to solve this problem........I will wait for the problem solver to do it.

On the other hand Capitalism, as imperfect as it may be, creates an environment very favorable to innovation and the use of imagination because there is individual freedom and incentive
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:34 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread, rayban? Or do you know?



Cool
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:34 pm
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Socialism stifles imagination and initiative and creates a mindset that says.......it's not my job to solve this problem........I will wait for the problem solver to do it.


This is where your logic seriously breaks down.

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:35 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Socialism stifles imagination and initiative and creates a mindset that says.......it's not my job to solve this problem........I will wait for the problem solver to do it.


Well, I don't know where you made these experiences, but I - and I'm a Socilist since some decades - haven't noticed such. [At least not more than with e.g. conservatives or liberals.]

But you still admire Tony Blair, although he is a Socialist.

Great. You are welcome!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:39 pm
rayban1 wrote:


It seems to me that each of your official definitions merely use different words to arrive at the same result.


You're sure that you've really read both essays on/in Britannica? And you really couldn't notice the difference? Shocked
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:41 pm
dyslexia wrote:
OK I confess, Walter is an avowed Communist/Nazi (does anyone have a problem with this logic?) Well anyway I wear an ugly hat (Stetson) and large nose (DNA?) which immediately tells anyone I hate america., which, of course, is true.(which is why I live in New Mexico)



New Mexico has just been taken over by Mexicans so I guess you're safe. So you hate America so much.......could it be that Ward Churchill is your hero. Or....could it be that you are Ward Churchill?

What ever happened to Wolf Hole Arizona? Did the American wolves kick you out?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:49 pm
rayban1 wrote:
New Mexico has just been taken over by Mexicans


Quote:
1841 Texas soldiers invade New Mexico and claim all land east of the Rio Grande

1846 Mexican-American War begins. Stephen Watts Kearny annexes New Mexico to the United States.



Did I miss something?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:51 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
rayban1 wrote:


It seems to me that each of your official definitions merely use different words to arrive at the same result.


You're sure that you've really read both essays on/in Britannica? And you really couldn't notice the difference? Shocked


Oh, I understand the differences but in reality the differences are so small they're only worth about .02 cents American
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:51 pm
Socialism is starting to sound kinda appealing. Gotta thank rayban for the wakeup call to the right side. Cool
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2005 03:51 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread, rayban? Or do you know?



Cool


That's the response I expected. No point whatsoever...
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