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who exists?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 12:36 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
You are not allowed to ask those questions Frank.

Surely you know in your heart that the PQ and others have channelled into a Great Source, giving them powers to Understand, an Understanding beyond the likes of you and me.


I certainly suspect that is what they think. :wink: :wink: :wink:
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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:56 am
the reason why franks argument is irritating is because theres no possible way of winning against him.
its silly.
like the christian idea of faith: Just a get out clause for anything!
I do actually agree with him to a certain extent.
But frank, How do you know you dont know?
eh? :wink:
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 04:07 am
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
the reason why franks argument is irritating is because theres no possible way of winning against him.
its silly.
like the christian idea of faith: Just a get out clause for anything!
I do actually agree with him to a certain extent.



Good! :wink:

Even if you want to think of an acknowledgement that you do not know something to be a "silly...get out clause for anything."

Actually, I do not use it for anything!

I use it when I do not know something.

Try it some time. It doesn't hurt.

[/quote]But frank, How do you know you dont know?
eh? :wink:[/quote]

Well...actually I've done several threads on just this issue over in Abuzz...and I really don't want to do it again here in A2K.

Let me simply acknowledge that I do not necessarily KNOW that I do not know it. I know I cannot retrieve it.

And if you ask how I know I cannot retrieve it...I will simply call to your attention that being an agnostic does not mean that you do not know anything...but that you do not know some things...and acknowledge that you do not know them.
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Chrissee
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:31 pm
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
the reason why franks argument is irritating is because theres no possible way of winning against him.
its silly.
like the christian idea of faith: Just a get out clause for anything!
I do actually agree with him to a certain extent.
But frank, How do you know you dont know?
eh? :wink:


It's his loss that his idea of the meaning of life is wacking a little ball around.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm
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Chrissee
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:34 pm
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
chrisee: good point.

self portait....
do you have a full time job in a Kiss tribute band?


Why the insult?
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Chrissee
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:42 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Under any circumstances...for all the big mouthed bravado you are showing...I notice that you have never answered the question I put to you.

The Pentacle Queen wrote:

Quote:
i have recently come to the conclusion, against my own will that i am the only person who exists. this may sound a little strange, but i have tried and i find it impossible to believe that there could be anyone else who exists apart from myself. I would like to know what other people think, and whether this is a regular belief, because at the moment my own thoughts are scaring my slightly, as if you believe that only you exist, then there is no way of coming to sensible conclusions over ethical and moral problems. There is no way to gauge right and wrong, good or bad if you take other people out of the equation, so how do i stop myself from becoming some kind of selfish monster???


To which you replied:

Quote:
You are correct. Everything that exists is one, so you are a part of the only thing that exists. Every thought and action affects all things. So guide yourself accordingly.


To which I asked how you knew that to be so.


No answer given...just a bunch of insults being heaved.

What's the matter, Chrissie? Do you realize that you do not know the stuff you are trying to pass off as knowledge...and are trying to get out from dealing with the question????

I really would like to know....


...how do you know what you are asserting that you know...or are you just guessing and pretending to know?


Insults? Try being polite the next time you ask a woman a question and you might get an answer. In truth, I would have to write a book on how I arrived at my conclusions. The short answer, you will never find the meaning of life wacking a ball around. Not that I have founf the meaning of life, what I have found is the presence of a collective consciousness.

It is your loss that you have closed your mind to the true reality.
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Chrissee
 
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Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:22 pm
For Queenie

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The Eye of Katrina taken in NO 9/2003

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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 02:19 am
wow is that you?
sorry i didnt mean to insult you, you just looked a bit too, umm... black and white.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 02:32 am
Chrissee wrote:

Insults? Try being polite the next time you ask a woman a question and you might get an answer.


I was polite. A lot more polite to you than you have been to me.


Quote:
In truth, I would have to write a book on how I arrived at my conclusions. The short answer, you will never find the meaning of life wacking a ball around. Not that I have founf the meaning of life, what I have found is the presence of a collective consciousness.


Taking shots at golf is so childish....I am at a loss at to why you continue to indulge in it. But I thank you for the laughs.

In any case, I suspect you have not "found the presence of a collective consciousness"...but that you guess it exists and are pretending that you have actually discovered it somehow.

The fact that you get so bent out of shape when asked about it (rather than trying to share how you supposedly came by the knowledge) should put you on notice that you are probably kidding yourself.



Quote:
It is your loss that you have closed your mind to the true reality.


I am already dealing with the reality. I do not know the answers to Ultimate REALITY questions and am willing to acknowledge that. You, on the other hand, appear also not to know...but want to pretend you do.

So you giving me lectures on a closed mind is laughable.
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Chrissee
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:44 am
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
wow is that you?
sorry i didnt mean to insult you, you just looked a bit too, umm... black and white.


I know you didn't, that is why I was surprised. I really don't like comparisons to Gene Simmons but maybe I was being too touchy.

Check out my photos at Original Art Forum
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Chrissee
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:57 am
Frank, nothing you can post casn get me bent out of shape. You are projecting.

My initial post was tongue in cheek, you reacted rudely from the gitgo. I have no inclination to engage in "mine is bigger than yours" exchanges. You have an ego-based need to be right. I don't. I have bigger fish to fry.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 11:00 am
Chrissee wrote:
Frank, nothing you can post casn get me bent out of shape. You are projecting.


If it has feathers...floats on a pond...and quacks....

...chances are it is a duck.

You look to me like someone bent out of shape.


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My initial post was tongue in cheek, you reacted rudely from the gitgo.


No. All I did was to ask a question.

You were the one who reacted rudely to my question.

Go back and look it over...you'll see.

And I will be happy to accept your apology.


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I have no inclination to engage in "mine is bigger than yours" exchanges. You have an ego-based need to be right. I don't. I have bigger fish to fry.


Once again...if it has feathers...floats on a pond...and quacks....

...chances are it is a duck.

You ARE engaging in a "mine is bigger than yours" exchange...and you do appear to have an ego-based need to be right.

I sincerely hope you fry fish with more ability than you debate.
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Chrissee
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 12:27 pm
Wow! You still don't get it. I am not trying to debate. YOU are. And you are STILL projecting.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 28 Sep, 2005 12:53 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Wow! You still don't get it. I am not trying to debate. YOU are. And you are STILL projecting.


No I'm not. You are still here...pretending you don't care.

But you are fun.
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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 07:18 am
chrisee:
your art is good.
Im a bit of an art fan myself actually.
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spendius
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 07:56 am
Queenie-

That's easy to say and it sounds good too but we could be forgiven for thinking that's all there is to it.
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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 08:05 am
Is an A gcse not good enough for you then spendy?
Im in an art exibition next week actually.
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spendius
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 08:56 am
Queenie-

Why so sensitive.That ain't arty for a start.I never said anything about you not being good enough.I simply reminded you that anybody could say what you said and implicitly invited you to justify your remarks.

This month's VIZ claims that photogenic babes do best in exams and then the TV can show them hugging each other in jubilation.

"But any flaxen haired bimbo can get an A-Level in media studies and be seen smiling winningly on the Six O Clock News."(Dr Lauren Sue-Ellen Bowen of the Bossert Institute.)

That could easily be applied to art which can mean anything you want it to mean to the Arts Council.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 11:26 am
"what I have found is the presence of a collective consciousness."

How did it manifest itself?
Where did you find it?
Are you sure you dont mean collective unconscious?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Thu 29 Sep, 2005 11:32 am
spendimus

every time i read a post of yours, i come to the conclusion that either i am not capable of achieving your intellectual level, or that you are having trouble with reality.

But carry on its entertaining.
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