Stop responding to trolls

Major dishonest, map. It is not at all boring. It is solely that you folks simply do NOT want to hear it. It is disconcerting. For obvious reasons but none of you are honest enough to say so, so we get these lame, childish troll accusations, the "he's boring" comments.

Just to clarify the point here. If I respond to someone here it is almost always because

1. They have said something interesting (whether I agree or not).
2. I have something that interests me about the topic that I want to express.

I occasionally will respond to personal insults... I generally feel bad about that, and occasionally I will indulge in snark (but only to amuse myself). There are far too many pissing contests, and I would like to avoid them. The problem is with people who feel they need to respond to every post of trolling no matter how ridiculous or repetitive it is leading to pages and pages of off topic bickering that jumps from thread to thread.



This is the main point I am making with this thread.

Max, this is pretty much a carbon copy of another thread where you tried this same childish behavior.

You went to great pains to explain why you reply. But you have always forgotten to explain why you don't reply. Because you are an intellectual coward who, upon meeting your limits, choose to resort to this childish kind of behavior - ie. "I'm bored!", "Whatever!"

If your were honest, you would state something like, "I don't have any answer for that" or, "could you provide me with some source", you know, the things adults do in conversations.

Here questions are less than the number of peoples to answer.So most questions will get an answer.If somebody is giving a good answer to a question it is good.

I think everyone knows about the ignore function already. It sounds like you're trying to tell people what to do. I know it's hard for a control freak like you to accept, but I don't think many people here care what you think about who they should talk to.

I have JTT on ignore, but after coming across this thread I was tempted to respond to him, because nobody tells me what to do or who I can talk to, especially not you.

Hey Izzy, Good to see you here!

I had you in mind as I was writing this post, since you are a perfect example of someone who can't help himself but responding to trolls. You are part of the problems, when a troll writes a post... and you respond... and they respond... and you respond... you turn a single possibly objectionable post into pages of mud slinging.

It seems like you jumped in here without even reading the title. I didn't say anything about the ignore function.

I understand you, Izzy. You have a Utopian view of how people should think, and you are going to bully your way into an online world where people in the wrong are silenced. Of course, trying to bully trolls doesn't work very well. But the amount of effort you have made here to protect Able2know from any wrong opinions is remarkable.

Let's see, you have called me a "troll", a "liar", a "misogynist", an "idiot", a "rape apologist", a "conservative" and a "second rate engineer" (and I am sure I am forgetting some). Our passionate bouts of rolling about in the mud together have lasted pages on several threads; I hope it was good for you because I don't think other members enjoy watching our messy intercourse.

You should realize by now, from me and from other people you have bullied, that it doesn't work. I don't think you have succeeded in silencing anyone. All you have done is increased the amount of meaningless mud slinging.



This is my point. Of course, if someone is personally attacked, they are more likely to respond (as I am sure you have noticed).

And my weakness is that rolling around in the mud with you is sport. You are so fun some times, so earnest in your self-righteousness, that I can't help myself. You know what about jumping in the mud with Max... "you just get dirty and Max enjoys it".

I do feel bad for the other people when we engage that way.

Damn,

I can refrain from responding to Camlok. I can refrain from responding to MaPorsche. I can't seem to resist Izzy.

I wish I knew how to quit you.

Err... Who is JTT?

Also, I agree with maporsche: it seems to me you do advocate the right of minority groups/views to speak out, so this kind of subject matter should be right up your ally.

Having said that, I kinda respect max, even if I don't agree with him. HE isn't afraid to advocate his own point of view, and even if I disagree with it, he tends to give reasons for his opinion. I have to admit, whenever I find he mentions his children, I'm curious what sort of a papa he is to them. I'm suspecting not a bad one, at all.

And as far as responding to trolls goes, the 'monitoring Trump' thread is chock-full of trollish posts/behavior. It's still going strong though...

You are missing the point. There is nowhere on this thread that I said anything against the right of "minority groups" to speak out. Quite the contrary. People have the right to express views that I find objectionable.

When they do this I can respond in several ways.

1) I can engage them in a respectful way.
2) I can attack them personally to show my disapproval and bully them into submission to my views.
3) I can choose not to respond.

I am suggesting that #1 or #3 make the experience here better for all of Able2know.

Option #2 is all too common. The problem is that a user is posting the same views in thread after thread that many find ridiculous... and yet people keep responding even though they have no intention of engaging in any meaningful way. This leads to pages of repetitive off topic mess spanning multiple threads.

My point is that choosing not to reply is often the best choice. I have no interest in silencing anyone's opinion from being expressed, I am only suggesting that the pages of meaningless mudslinging doesn't benefit anyone.

*[There is a popular theory that JTT is Camlok (who changed his name after JTT annoyed too many people).]

You're complaining in the OP about people choosing to do option #1.

You're complaining that people are trying to have reasonable discussions with camlok instead of ignoring him because his arguments are stupid.

Well, when you have stupid arguments Max and people tell you that, you get PISSED and open threads about how people are mean to you and make you feel like you're a troll. Some people do that with camlok, but your OP is just about those who are going point-by-point with him...not mudslinging, just talking.


Yet....here you are doing the same thing to camlok.




To some people Max, on some topics, you ARE camlok.

JTT is the name Camlok used to post under, I think he denies being the same person, but it's clear he is.

I've not said anything about your engineering, I don't know anything about it. You're confusing me with someone else you disagree with. I have called you a liar, because you are a liar, you lied about being a single parent to Germlat. You're not, you're a part time parent. I'm a single parent with sole responsibility for my kids since the youngest was 4 and the oldest 12. You also lied about me, you said I'd been through a messy divorce when you knew full well that she died. You then threatened to tell more lies about me if I didn't stop challenging you. Interesting how you lie about yourself to make you sound more like me, and lie about me to make me sound more like you.

As for being a rape apologist, on a thread about college boys needing to make sure they obtained consent you thought that wasn't really required and that you couldn't be certain that all of your sexual liaisons at college could count as consensual by today's standards.

That makes you a bit more than an apologist, especially when you take into account the fact that you've also stated that you've never had a partner initiate sex.

I've just said how things are, if you think that's bullying then you really are pathetic. I have no utopian view of how people should behave, you're the one who kept bleating on about how people should be more civil to each other. Personally I prefer honesty, I'd much rather someone tell me what they really think of me than adopt some false veneer of civility.

I don't like control freaks, I don't like liars and I particularly despise men who can't be certain that their sexual activities were consensual. That's why I don't like you, and why I'll continue to point out your lies and attempts to control others.

As for being a misogynist, I'm not the only one who thinks that, most of the women on A2K who've had any dealings with you also think that.

You're definitely a conservative from this side of the pond, then again your conservatives are all fascists, and I wouldn't call you that, but I could see you voting for May.

Btw, I'd drawn a veil over your rapey posts, but as you'd decided to bring it up it's best to tell the truth about the whole sordid episode.

Your real weakness is that you think you can get into an argument with me and not look like a creepy liar.

Now you're creepy, dishonest and nauseating, yuck! I can see why nobody would want to initiate anything with you.

That's your definition of success is it, having someone talk to you? It doesn't matter what they say, as long as they talk to you.

Have you any notion at all of how pathetic that makes you sound?

I wouldn't mind if the people who are interested in what I have to say engage with me, and the people who aren't interest simply not respond. That is the point of this thread. (You might quip that no one is interested, but I do have meaningful interactions with several people here... and if no one responded, I would get bored and go away.)

There are many people here with whom I get along just fine. I express my opinions. Sometimes people agree with me, sometimes they want to discuss their disagreement with me, sometimes they don't care to engages. That is how responsible behavior on a public forum works.

But you seem to want to follow me around to engage with me repeatedly on thread after thread . You have some kind of self-righteous need to attack anyone who holds an opinion that differs from yours. The ridiculous extent you go to attack people into submission (on a public forum where there really isn't anything you can do other than insult people) is funny.

You and I have some sort of pathological relationship, Izzy. I don't think I usually engage with you directly... it is always you coming to me. I don't mind it, it's kind of funny at this point, and I have an advantage because you seem to care.

If you started simply not responding to my posts, our little dysfunctional bromance would cease. I don't think you can do that, Izzy... you care too much. I think you actually believe that you are serving some noble cause of self-righteousness. The problem is that I don't really care, I am just here to play with you.

Basically, you are Max's bitch now. You couldn't stay away if you wanted to.

That’s not the point of the thread. Maybe you need to reread your opening post.

You want none of us to respond to Camlok because you think his posts are not interesting.

You. The champion of the voiceless. The savior of the minority viewpoints. The self-proclaimed troll who will argue different viewpoints just to have an argument.


This thread is SO funny.

Have you got any evidence for this, Izzy, because you are well known for making this kind of **** up?

Had it actually occurred, surely someone would have called Max out.

It's not easy to solicit interesting discussion. Many people reject it because they are simply not familiar with something and they don't want to bother thinking deeply enough about it to realize it's fresh material with potential to generate fresh dialogue. Often they just classify it according to some pre-existing category in their minds and dismiss/ignore it. That allows them to go back to the familiar narratives they are used to and pretend that those are fresh and interesting.