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The American Revolution Redefined---terrorism?

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 10:08 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Lash wrote:
Were the Revolutionaries terrorists in your opinion?

Certainly federal law in the United States would have considered the Founders to be terrorists, especially with acts like the Boston Tea Party in mind. According to US Code, Section 2656f(d), "(2) the term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents".

I say guilty as charged.

I agree that The Boston Tea Party was terrorism, but I believe that it was "good terrorism." The non-combatant targets were never intended to be harmed and were not harmed. Furthermore, it was not merely intended to express a political point of view which could just as well have been expressed in elections, but as rebellion against a colonial master which had granted itself unlimited taxing power without consulting the people taxed.


Interesting that the US Code, Section 2656f(d) doesn't define terrorism in more murderous terms, because THAT is the main weapon of choice by these rogue factions; fear of death. Violence seems too general a term in helping Americans understand the scope and ideology of terrorism today.

That's the first I've heard of "good terrorism" in my lifetime. If it involves a society yearning to be free from their autocratic rulers, then how is that much different from Al Qaeda yearning to be free from American occupation in the Middle East? Thomas makes a valid point regarding Brandon's use of the term "good terrorism."

In other words, the Boston Tea Party was a revolution. It was also people exercising their right of grievances and to protest their autocratic rulers for taxation without representation. Brandon points out the lack of violence, which would elude to the fact that the colonial Americans weren't intent on just killing massive amounts of people to make their point.
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username removed 3 18 05
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 04:22 pm
Not sure I'd label the founding of the country an act of terrorism. It was clearly an act of racist ethnic cleansing, however.

America is a Frankenstein experiment. Small wonder sensible folks want to see it blown to bits, before it has a chance to cause any further suffering and catastrophic harm.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 05:43 pm
Ward, is that you?
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username removed 3 18 05
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 05:45 pm
Quite a comeback.

Does the truth regarding this scumhole of a country frighten you THAT much?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 05:47 pm
deathtothetroops wrote:
Quite a comeback.

Does the truth regarding this scumhole of a country frighten you THAT much?


You're from France?
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username removed 3 18 05
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 05:53 pm
You people haven't much to say, other than childish rejoinders, I gather.

Anyone else?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 05:57 pm
deathtothetroops wrote:
You people haven't much to say, other than childish rejoinders, I gather.

Anyone else?


Not with you. I'm sure you will many like minded folk around here though. Perhaps they will humor you.
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username removed 3 18 05
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 06:04 pm
"I'm sure you will many like minded folk around here though" is not English.

..pretty shoddy for an ultra-patriot, I must say.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 06:06 pm
deathtothetroops wrote:
"I'm sure you will many like minded folk around here though" is not English.

..pretty shoddy for an ultra-patriot, I must say.


Sorry, is this better for you?

Je suis sûr que vous beaucoup comme les gens occupés autour ici cependant.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 06:54 pm
Thomas wrote:
Lash wrote:
Were the Revolutionaries terrorists in your opinion?

Certainly federal law in the United States would have considered the Founders to be terrorists, especially with acts like the Boston Tea Party in mind. According to US Code, Section 2656f(d), "(2) the term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents".

I say guilty as charged.

England declared the states in rebellion--which we were--and sent over an bunch of sissies in red jackets. That made them combatants. War was declared. Doesn't a declaration and symmetrical warfare make the difference between an armed rebellion and terrorism?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 07:26 pm
They weren't sissies and far too many people died for an otherwise great cause. The results have been staggering though. Nothing like it on the face of the Earth.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 07:33 pm
I'm sorry--those men in wigs and dressy jackets were sissies. Maybe valorous sissies...
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 07:34 pm
I KNOW their pinkies were up when sipping tea.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 02:53 am
Lash wrote:
England declared the states in rebellion--which we were--and sent over an bunch of sissies in red jackets. That made them combatants. War was declared. Doesn't a declaration and symmetrical warfare make the difference between an armed rebellion and terrorism?

It's an interesting question. Without any expertise in the relevant law, I'd say the American rebellion looked from King George's perspective as if the Montana Militia overthrew its governor and declared independence from the United States. In this situation, would government of the United States treat them as domestic terrorists or as enemy soldiers? My best guess is it would view it as closer to the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, which was clearly terrorism, than the South seceding in the civil war, which was clearly war.

(Of course, the Boston Tea Party happened before all this, so federal law would see them as terrorists in any case.)
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:04 am
McGentrix wrote:
deathtothetroops wrote:
"I'm sure you will many like minded folk around here though" is not English.

..pretty shoddy for an ultra-patriot, I must say.


Sorry, is this better for you?

Je suis sûr que vous beaucoup comme les gens occupés autour ici cependant.

You still left out a verb, McG.
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supportourbutchers
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:12 am
The founding fathers were slave owning louts with dopey wigs and wooden teeth. Their opinions are less than irrelevant in the modern world.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:13 am
supportourbutchers wrote:
The founding fathers were slave owning louts with dopey wigs and wooden teeth. Their opinions are less than irrelevant in the modern world.

And don't forget buckles on their shoes. They had buckles on their shoes.

And funny hats.
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supportourbutchers
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:15 am
The would have all run gay porn websites like the GOP press secretary Gannon, except they hadn't invented electricity yet.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:30 am
If I wasn't aware of his/her prior name, I'd have thought our newest poster was simply in favor of those who beat their meat .....
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supportourbutchers
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 11:38 am
A Republican effort at humor, I suppose...
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