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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 11:07 pm
@parados,
I think you held up a mirror to poor george and he saw himself for once.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 11:09 pm
The current state -- actually, the state for the past three or four decades -- of the American economy for the disappearing working class is captured in this beautiful song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmAMKUIXbE&feature=autoplay&list=FLKbM8HTjdy1RSS4jPgn9C_Q&lf=plpp_play_all&playnext=14
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 05:21 pm
@BillRM,
Just out of curiosity BillRM...since you seem to employ the drunk emoticon from time to time, are you signally to us that you've been drinking when you do?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 10:14 pm
Here isa an interesting tidbit about the economy.

It seems that banks have already made MORE of a profit under Obama than they did during the entire 8 years of Bush!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/bank-earnings-obama_n_1079482.html

I thought the Obama admin was supposed to be monitoring banks.
Also, it seems that corporations have made a record profit...

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Still, corporations have boomed during Obama's presidency, even as unemployment has remained high. Corporate profits hit an all-time high of $1.93 trillion in the second quarter of 2011, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, up from an earlier all-time high in the fourth quarter of 2010. Corporate profits accounted for 88 percent of all economic growth during the first 18 months after the end of the recession, compared to just 53 percent of economic growth after the 2001 recession under Bush


I thought that corporate profits were bad.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 10:20 pm
@mysteryman,
which banks are not corporations?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 05:35 pm
It was a brutal day on European and American stock markets today, with declines of 3 or 4%. Asian markets will likely open down sharply.
Oil fell on fears of economies falling back into recession and, surprisingly perhaps, gold also fell. Money poured into the U.S. bond market and the dollar rose sharply.
The catalyst was the situation in Italy, the EU's 3rd largest economy, where government bond interest rates rose above 7%.
Germany's Merkel described the situation there as, and I am not making this up, as "unpleasant."
There seems to be talk of the EU splitting into two tiers: the relatively strong economies which would focus on common strategies while the lesser countries would concentrate on getting their houses in order.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 05:41 pm
@realjohnboy,
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The catalyst was the situation in Italy, the EU's 3rd largest economy, where government bond interest rates rose above 7%


Only slightly behind was concern about who will run Italy next, and that the Greeks can't figure out who will run Greece next. Not only does the arithmatic not work, but nether does the political process.

Merkel has finally figured out that the markets will give the EU no choice, that they must further integrate, but she should have known this several years ago, and at this late hour it is difficult to see how it could happen even if the German people could be talked into it.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:07 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

The catalyst was the situation in Italy, the EU's 3rd largest economy, where government bond interest rates rose above 7%.


Not quite, The UK, Germany and France all have larger economies. Maybe you meant to say the Eurozone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Have you seen that headline izzy--"THE END OF MONEY". Somebody on Sky News paper's review cracked that it is a great title for a book and the panel guffawed.

Maybe we will need the US to rescue us again. We could sell them The Queen.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:21 pm
Well, Obama has saved the Christmas tree industry.
I guess only people that make over $250,000 per year buy real Christmas trees.

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/11/08/obama-couldnt-wait-his-new-christmas-tree-tax/

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President Obama’s Agriculture Department today announced that it will impose a new 15-cent charge on all fresh Christmas trees—the Christmas Tree Tax—to support a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees.

In the Federal Register of November 8, 2011, Acting Administrator of Agricultural Marketing David R. Shipman announced that the Secretary of Agriculture will appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board. The purpose of the Board is to run a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry” (7 CFR 1214.46(n)). And the program of “information” is to include efforts to “enhance the image of Christmas trees and the Christmas tree industry in the United States” (7 CFR 1214.10).

To pay for the new Federal Christmas tree image improvement and marketing program, the Department of Agriculture imposed a 15-cent fee on all sales of fresh Christmas trees by sellers of more than 500 trees per year (7 CFR 1214.52). And, of course, the Christmas tree sellers are free to pass along the 15-cent Federal fee to consumers who buy their Christmas trees


So who do you think is going to pay that new tax?
I thought there were going to be no new taxes on anyone making over a certain amount?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:21 pm
@realjohnboy,
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and the dollar rose sharply.


Which will do wonders for unemployment I should think.

Angela is reported as saying that things are getting unpleasant but ladies are prone to exaggeration about such things as unpleasantness as Mr Cain is discovering.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:26 pm
As the financial contaigon spreads - apparently unexpectedly - from Greece to Italy, we can only speculate where the next crisis might arise. It doesn't appear to me that there is any practical possibility of an intervention sufficient to forestall a continued rapid rise in the market interest rates for Italian bonds. That means that Italy will have to deal in real time with reduced government revenue and access to money - and all the perhaps wrenching political, social and economic consequences that might entail. I suspect it may also mean a cessation or at least reduction in the bailout monies scheduled for payment to Greece over the next few months there, possibly exacerbating an already difficult political situation there.

What may follow is very difficult to guess.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:32 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Maybe we will need the US to rescue us again. We could sell them The Queen.


Can't afford one, but we could swap you a president.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:35 pm
@mysteryman,
Your Christmas tree tax sounds a lot like our hotel and rental car tax surcharge. Cities in New Mexico are allowed a 5% additional tax on hotel rooms and car rentals, the money to be used to promote NM tourism.

When I worked in motels, more than once I've had to explain to guests that the extra tax was to make them want to come back. I must be weak on explanations as they always looked confused when I tried to work through the logic.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 06:44 pm
@mysteryman,
For the love of God, MM. Please look into this crap a little farther before rushing to post every 'gotcha' about the Obama admin you possibly can.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/when_nonsense_gets_in_the_way033386.php

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November 09, 2011 2:35 PM
When nonsense gets in the way

It seemed like a simple little idea. The Christmas tree industry, which has been struggling in recent years, wanted to fund a promotional program, encouraging consumers to buy real, rather than artificial, trees over the holiday season. The idea was for Christmas trees to follow in the footsteps of milk, beef, and cotton, all of which benefited from successful promotional campaigns.

To pay for the effort, the industry launched the Christmas Tree Promotion, Research and Information Order, asking the Agriculture Department to approve a 15-cent fee, per tree, on domestic producers and importers. It was requested by the industry, to benefit the industry, and to be paid for by the industry.

The Agriculture Department solicited public feedback, and most supported the proposal. This week, officials gave the industry the green light to proceed.

And that’s when Republican hacks decided to intervene.

Some loons decided the Obama administration wants to impose a new “tax” on Christmas trees because the president “hates Christians.” National Christmas Tree Association spokesman Rick Dungey tried to explain this “has absolutely nothing to do with Obama,” and “it’s not a tax,” but it was too late — the right-wing message machine had already kicked into gear.

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The well-trafficked Drudge Report is leading with the story, linking to a blog by David Addington, a former top aide to then-Vice President Cheney. David Addington, at the conservative Heritage Foundation assailing the president thus: “The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do? And, by the way, the American Christmas tree has a great image that doesn’t need any help from the government.”


Addington is many things, but he’s not an idiot. Addington surely knows what he published is pure garbage, but he did it anyway — the right has a political war to win and when truth gets in the way, it needs soldiers willing to push honesty aside.

And because the White House doesn’t want to spend the next two months arguing about a “Christmas Tree tax” that doesn’t exist, the administration decided to delay implementation of the industry fee, which, again, was requested by the industry for the industry.

This is why we can’t have nice things — our political discourse is dominated by fools and charlatans.


Don't be a fool or a charlatan.

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 07:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Why on earth would the "Christmas Tree Association" need the government to administer this 15 cent tax on each tree sold? Can't they do that on their own?
Do we really need a staff of government employees collecting 15 cents from sellers of 500 or more trees ($75)?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 01:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,
It's not about the .15c fee; the GOP already knows how stupid and ignorant American voters are, so they're using that ignorance to downgrade Obama. It's working for them in spades.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 01:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I have to agree about the ignorance and stupidity of american voters!
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 01:38 pm
@RABEL222,
Of which I presume you are one?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 02:03 pm
@RABEL222,
What other conclusion is available when the GOP candidates offer tax plans that will increase their taxes, and the American voters supports those candidates - all while giving bigger tax cuts to the wealthy?
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