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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 02:59 pm
We currently have the most irresponsible and unpatriotic president in American history residing in the White House...
until Obama is ousted, the US economy will continue to suffer.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:52 pm
@maporsche,
If it's not job-related, the employee has cause to sue the company. Hiring/firing decisions not related to the job is a dangerous practice. Ask any labor attorney.

You're wrong too!
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They were referring to considerations for hiring a new employee, not firing an existing one.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:00 pm
@georgeob1,
If the employer uses the credit report to refuse hiring a worker if it has no relationship to the job, that worker can sue the company.

Quote:
Is It Discriminatory For Employers To Use Credit Reports for Employment Screening?
By Lester Rosen, Employment Screening Resources (ESR) President & Thomas Ahearn, ESR News Editor
A great deal of misinformation about credit reports and job hunting exists in the current economic climate. Most employers are not using credit reports to find ways to eliminate people from jobs. A background check that includes a credit report is usually run only after an employer has gone through the time, cost, and effort to find the right candidate. Employers initiate background checks because they are interested in hiring the applicant and are conducting due diligence to make sure there is no reason not to hire. Under the rules of the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), a credit report is only obtained after the applicant has given consent and after a legally required disclosure has been given. If the employer utilizes the credit report in any way not to hire, applicants are entitled to a copy of their credit report, a pre-adverse action notice, as well as a statement of their rights. Before any employment decision becomes final, applicants also have the right to challenge the credit report before any denial of employment is made final.
However, employers should approach credit reports with caution when using them for employment background checks, and must articulate a clear rationale as to why a credit report is related to a particular job.
Employers should also be aware of the potential for errors in credit reports. A debt may be reported incorrectly for various reasons or the applicant could be the victim of identify theft which can also lead to incorrect data. In addition, negative entries may well not be a valid predictor of job performance especially since many job applicants have faced a long period of unemployment that may lead to larger debts. An overly broad use of credit reports by employers could lead to claims of discrimination from a disparate impact on protected groups such as Blacks and Latinos.
The idea that credit reports can be used in a discriminatory manner in the eyes of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) means employers will continue to face controversy with discrimination over using credit reports for employment screening.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Seriously, how long has it been since you've been in the job market?

This MSN article states that only 2 states outlaw using credit reports for hiring decisions. Below that is a google search revealing hundreds of thousands more articles describing how it's becomming increasingly used.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/YourCreditRating/how-bad-credit-can-cost-you-a-job.aspx

http://www.google.com/search?q=credit+score+in+hiring+decisions&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:16 pm
@maporsche,
It's a bullshit metric. I have middling credit, not because I'm late on payments or owe money - but because I don't use credit cards or own a house or car. I shouldn't be penalized for living within my means...

Cycloptichorn
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What you linked to and highlighted say noting about the practice being illegal, as long as the correct disclosures are given.

"Facing controversy" does not mean illegal. It means being used in an unfavorable light in news articles about employment. Or being targeted by NEW laws...but not current ones (unless you're in those 2 states that have these laws).


But even if it were deemed illegal. The practice would still happen. Not hiring someone because they're black is illegal, but it stil happens, and not a lot of companies get caught, because they can just say it was some other reason. Don't you agree? Or has hiring discrimination disappeared in America?
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:17 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't disagree with YOU at all. It is bullshit.

But it DOES happen, and it is LEGAL (in most all states).
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:38 pm
@maporsche,
Wanna have some fun? Show up for an interview, and tell them their questions are improper and illegal. They'll probably back off. You will not be hired.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 05:13 pm
@maporsche,
Been out of the job market since 1998.

The real issues are a) the employer must get the applicants approval to get a credit report, b) the employer must tell the applicant why he/she was not hired based on the credit report, and c) the applicant can still sue the company if they discriminate based on a credit report - and not based on job requirements. It's not about which states approve this policy; fair employment policies are federal laws.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 05:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What you have asserted is not generally true. California perhaps, but businesses have been leaving California for decades.

Hiring decisions are based on many factors and usually involve competition for the job. There usually isn't any single reason why a given applicant didn't make the cut.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Show me where the law says that. Please.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:16 pm
@maporsche,
Do your own hunt; I'm not your clerk. Rather, show me there is no law?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:20 pm
@georgeob1,
Of course hiring decisions are based on many factors, but they cannot discriminate.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I just found no law. Does that count?
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 07:00 pm
@roger,
Haha. Me too. I looked all over and found no law.

Your turn CI. It was your point, I think the burden of proof is on you, no?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 07:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sure they can. They discriminate based on what college you went to (or didn't go to). They discriminate based on how far away you live from their job location. They discriminate based on your your looks.

All job interviews are based solely on discrimination...just some things they can't use, like race or gender....they CAN use credit reports.

Can we just be done with this?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 07:55 pm
@maporsche,
Since you are unawares of employment laws, you also seem ignorant of reality; discrimination "is" used based on race or gender, but most applicants don't understand their rights - or don't bother by choice.

Yea, we're done with this topic.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Since you are unawares of employment laws, you also seem ignorant of reality; discrimination "is" used based on race or gender, but most applicants don't understand their rights - or don't bother by choice.

Yea, we're done with this topic.
More likely they know that the employers have all the cards, while we dont have to turn over our credit reports to them by law, we do have to if we want to get hired most of the time. Our rights are theoretical rather than actual...it is all a scam that at some point we will no longer put up with, claiming that we are free men when we are actually highly coerced men always breaks down eventually because we always get to the point where we can not lie to ourselves anymore.....
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 12:46 am
Quote:
Insurance on the debt of several major European banks has now hit historic levels, higher even than those recorded during financial crisis caused by the US financial group's implosion nearly three years ago.
Credit default swaps on the bonds of Royal Bank of Scotland, BNP Paribas, Deutsche Bank and Intesa Sanpaolo, among others, flashed warning signals on Wednesday. Credit default swaps (CDS) on RBS were trading at 343.54 basis points, meaning the annual cost to insure £10m of the state-backed lender's bonds against default is now £343,540.
The cost of insuring RBS bonds is now higher than before the taxpayer was forced to step in and rescue the bank in October 2008, and shows the recent dramatic downturn in sentiment among credit investors towards banks.
"The problem is a shortage of liquidity – that is what is causing the problems with the banks. It feels exactly as it felt in 2008," said one senior London-based bank executive.
"I think we are heading for a market shock in September or October that will match anything we have ever seen before," said a senior credit banker at a major European bank

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8721151/Market-crash-could-hit-within-weeks-warn-bankers.html

The Europeans are quickly running out of time to find a solution to their debt crisis, when they go down we go with them....


In other news the junk bond market has already seized up, and word has spread through the venture capital community that anyone who needs money anytime in the near future had better get their ass in gear and get it right now, and Bank of America now has serious liquidity problems
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